I hate to say it, but I agree with luke, why would anyone discuss with such a troll? Seously!
Street lights are about to start recording your every sound and motion
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I hate to say it, but I agree with luke, why would anyone discuss with such a troll? Seously!
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Holy over-dramatization. Shits outta control!!!
You'd think there would be thousands of Americans upset about the government detaining them under false accusations of being a terrorist if things were "out of control".
Where are all the people that this is happening to?
I don't stand in streetlights 24/7 so they're not watching me 24/7. I spend most of the daytime in my apartment, where I would have a problem with them peeking at me.
Warrant-less searches are a condition of a police state, yes. That doesn't mean we live in a police state.
A sore throat is a condition of the flu, but that doesn't mean you have the flu.
Are there any statistics on the number of innocent people that have been victimized compared to the number that were guilty?
I'd say that's a racial abuse of power.
If a cop is being racially biased, that shouldn't be tolerated.
Thats a pretty retard logic.
If I put a camera in every one of your rooms with the excuse "Im doing this to make sure no terrorist-like activities are going around in your house" would you be ok with that?
Would you be like "oh...I dont care, Im a good citizen that doesnt do any terrorist-like activities so let them cameras pointed at me all day, I dont care"
Or would that make you slightly uncomfortable?
Say "I wouldnt care" and proceed to make a great "its all good, nothing to worry, stop with the propaganda paranoia, this is America, ultimate democracy and of the free" shit.
Wow, this one made me sit up in my chair a bit. 2yo baby gets murdered, and the response? Call in the national guard, and from the sounds of things, indefinitely:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynfdFprXMOI]Official Calls For National Guard On Streets 'We Are At War In New Orleans' - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynfdFprXMOI]Official Calls For National Guard On Streets 'We Are At War In New Orleans' - YouTube[/ame]
No. Everybody should have a right to privacy on their own property.
No.
I'd be more concerned about the morality of it.
No, I would care. I still wouldn't care about cameras monitoring public streets. Like I said I'm indifferent to it, if anything it shouldn't happen because the money could be better spent.
I know you're just trolling but by doing so you've created a pretty good dialogue, so I'll bite:
In a way they do monitor you at home, everything you've ever done on the Internet in the privacy of your home is recorded for later access should you step out of line. Happen to download a copy of the anarchists cookbook for shits and giggles? Say hello to 'the list'. There doesn't have to be cameras for them to collect information, there doesn't have to be a warrant either.
As far as public monitoring goes, it's still an invasion of privacy. Public doesn't mean government owned, it means owned by the people. We paid for those streetlights, and if we don't want them watching us then what gives them the right to?
That's kind of the thing here, what does "should you step out of line" mean? It's safe to say that I'm never going to conspire a terrorist plot against the US. I don't think it's right that the government can monitor your emails/internet history without a reasonable motive to. At the same time, I'm absolutely not threatened by the feds busting down my doors under terrorist suspicion.
I think naive would be a better word than trolling.
What is 'the list' and how many innocent people are being detained because of this list? Again, I'd have no problem if the feds knocked on my door right now and wanted to talk about anything.
Well you, the city, and the inventor paid for the streetlights. The issue here seems to be the alleged ties with Homeland Security. At the level of street light monitoring, I think it's dramatic to call it a freedom issue until it's proven that it fails as a safety implementation. We're not living in V for Vendetta just yet.
1 That's kind of the thing here, what does "should you step out of line" mean? It's safe to say that I'm never going to conspire a terrorist plot against the US. I don't think it's right that the government can monitor your emails/internet history without a reasonable motive to. At the same time, I'm absolutely not threatened by the feds busting down my doors under terrorist suspicion.
I think naive would be a better word than trolling.
2 What is 'the list' and how many innocent people are being detained because of this list? Again, I'd have no problem if the feds knocked on my door right now and wanted to talk about anything.
3 Well you, the city, and the inventor paid for the streetlights. The issue here seems to be the alleged ties with Homeland Security. At the level of street light monitoring, I think it's dramatic to call it a freedom issue until it's proven that it fails as a safety implementation. We're not living in V for Vendetta just yet.
I would block up the quotes like you did and make it flow all nice, but I'm way too lazy for that.
I think it's safe to say that none of us are concocting any terrorist plots, but the point is that you don't have to be- that's not even what they're really looking for. Domestic terrorism is a non-issue, there are no Islamic extremists in your backyard cooking napalm to warrant this level of surveillance. What they are referring to as 'terrorism' is in reality activism, protesting, and sentiments of revolution- none of which should put people in prison indefinitely without a trial.
As for the street crime prevention argument (not sure if you brought it up before), maybe they should have a required minimum IQ to be a police officer instead of compensating for their incompetence with this type of system.
Are you admitting naivety on your end or ours? Either way I'd say you have a point.
How many innocent people have they imprisoned indefinitely so far? We don't know and we may never know, but even if that number were 0 right now I would still be concerned because they have the power to do so and it was granted to them without any resistance, it's a blatant violation of the bill of rights. If the feds knocked on my door, I'm willing to bet we wouldn't have a very long chat before they start rifling through my possessions and hard drives.
I see where you're coming from on your third point, but how are we supposed to prove its failure as a safety implementation? Where do we draw the line for surveillance, at our homes? We both know that's already been crossed. Or, how about I put this in perspective-
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBaiKsYUdvg]Minority Report Mall Scene - YouTube[/ame]
Would you be comfortable with that? What if you were constantly ID'd virtually wherever you go, you can never just be alone and un-monitored? I think it becomes more clear why we are outraged about this if it's really in your face instead of silently watching from a street light- and this is a big step in that direction.