Stuck at PR0?

Russ86

Russ86

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I've been working on a couple of sites for about 6 to 7 months now, two separate niches. The problem is, even though they have thousands of backlinks, have first page rankings, and are making money, google will not give me any kind of actual page ranking.

In fact, I even have a double listing on the first page ranked at number 3 for my main search term.

Yeah I know what you are thinking, if I'm ranking well and making money, why should I care? The reason I care is because, on google I think the only thing holding me back from the number 1 spots on my keywords is pagerank. I beat out my competitors in almost all other categories except PR.. thus they are ranking ahead of me. It could be due to other factors outside of my scope of view, but either way I would still like to know why google is denying me PR.

Though I'm not sure the reasoning, I could definitely take a guess. I've bought sitewide links from some high pr blogs that have like 20,000 indexed pages and I've also spammed some xrumer/sb links at both of my domains. I read somewhere that google's way of punishing questionable linkbuilding is denying pagerank.

Just looking for some clarification. Thanks.
 


Pagerank hasn't been updated since around April/May of 2010, digitalpoint is actually up in arms about it, if you want some cheap lols: Google Forum
 
Pagerank is updated multiple times per day, just because the little green bar doesn't update means nothing. If you want a more accurate measure that you can follow try page strength or something similar.
 
lol @ digitalpoint.

Ok yeah, I guess I may be putting too much value on PR.. But I can't figure out any other reason why these other sites are still outranking me, it's driving me up the wall..

I guess I should be happy I'm making money, these two sites were my first attempt at SEO and they are successful so I can't complain too much.

Thanks for the feedback though.
 
The PR of your pages has virtually nothing to do with how you rank in the SERPs. However, the PR of offsite pages on which you have dofollow backlinks, greatly influences the SERPs rank of the anchor text used on those backlinks. I've got a site with a homepage that used to be PR4, which was devalued to PR2 and then PR0 about 2 years ago, and I dominate a shit ton of terms that you might consider as highly competitive.
 
PR does have an effect on SERP's, but you just don't know what your PR is because Google isn't telling people. Your actual pagerank is a floating point number, not just an integer like 0,1,2,3,4 etc. One PR4 might be considerably stronger than another PR4, because in reality one is a 4.76348326876324863284632 and the other one is a 4.0123821787y4387643. Additionally, pagerank is only one of many factors that influence SERP's.

Study what makes the other sites above you different, their link profile, on page SEO for the term, etc and see what you can do to improve.

stevehnsn said:
The PR of your pages has virtually nothing to do with how you rank in the SERPs. However, the PR of offsite pages on which you have dofollow backlinks, greatly influences the SERPs rank of the anchor text used on those backlinks.
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Almost all of this statement is completely false.
 
I've checked their on-site SEO as well as their backlinks (all of them have under 200). I can't really figure it out. What also strikes me as odd is that the domains that are outranking me appear to be fairly new as well, I say this because this niche is also fairly new and the domain names are longer and hyphenated. Yet they have pr2 and p3 pagerank. I have better optimization, more backlinks, more indexed pages, and yet I'm still falling behind. I understand that it's not always the quantity of backlinks but the quality, but after looking at their links, they don't have anything special.. not even more diversified, mostly just blog comments and profile links. I would actually say that I have a much more diversified link profile.

I know I'm just hating that these dudes are ahead of me, they have obviously figured out something that I haven't. I guess that's what is getting to me lolz.
 
Russ86 said:
I've checked their on-site SEO as well as their backlinks (all of them have under 200). I can't really figure it out. What also strikes me as odd is that the domains that are outranking me appear to be fairly new as well, I say this because this niche is also fairly new and the domain names are longer and hyphenated. Yet they have pr2 and p3 pagerank. I have better optimization, more backlinks, more indexed pages, and yet I'm still falling behind. I understand that it's not always the quantity of backlinks but the quality, but after looking at their links, they don't have anything special.. not even more diversified, mostly just blog comments and profile links. I would actually say that I have a much more diversified link profile.

I know I'm just hating that these dudes are ahead of me, they have obviously figured out something that I haven't. I guess that's what is getting to me lolz.
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You don't know that they have a higher pagerank than you because Google hasn't updated anything publicly in almost a year. Use a different "pagestrength" type tool if you want a number to compare with. Check out the one pocketrockets posted - there are a few of them that do a better job of measuring the strength of a page than an outdated green bar.
 
Russ86 said:
I've been working on a couple of sites for about 6 to 7 months now, two separate niches. The problem is, even though they have thousands of backlinks, have first page rankings, and are making money, google will not give me any kind of actual page ranking.

In fact, I even have a double listing on the first page ranked at number 3 for my main search term.

Yeah I know what you are thinking, if I'm ranking well and making money, why should I care? The reason I care is because, on google I think the only thing holding me back from the number 1 spots on my keywords is pagerank. I beat out my competitors in almost all other categories except PR.. thus they are ranking ahead of me. It could be due to other factors outside of my scope of view, but either way I would still like to know why google is denying me PR.

Though I'm not sure the reasoning, I could definitely take a guess. I've bought sitewide links from some high pr blogs that have like 20,000 indexed pages and I've also spammed some xrumer/sb links at both of my domains. I read somewhere that google's way of punishing questionable linkbuilding is denying pagerank.

Just looking for some clarification. Thanks.
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I can't help wondering, why do you care? If you are making money off of your sites isn't it more important to make money from them. Why is chasing the moving target of PR on Google so important. I thought the objective for online businesses is to make $$$. Recently, Google has been lowering PR for many sites, for reasons only they understand.
 
Yodie said:
I can't help wondering, why do you care? If you are making money off of your sites isn't it more important to make money from them. Why is chasing the moving target of PR on Google so important. I thought the objective for online businesses is to make $$$. Recently, Google has been lowering PR for many sites, for reasons only they understand.
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I kind of clarified this in my first post. I have first page rankings, and while yes I am making some money.. I could be making 5x more if I was ranking number 1.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
You don't know that they have a higher pagerank than you because Google hasn't updated anything publicly in almost a year. Use a different "pagestrength" type tool if you want a number to compare with. Check out the one pocketrockets posted - there are a few of them that do a better job of measuring the strength of a page than an outdated green bar.
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Gunman, thanks man. I'm definitely going try that out. I'll report back after I do some comparisons with these other tools in case anyone else is interested.
 
If your ranking on 1st page already your in the right direction. An area that has made a big difference for many of my sites is the new Google Instant and Google Preview on my Longtail sites. It shot many of them right to the 1st page.

And with the Google Preview people can pretty much look at all of the sites with out ever even clicking on it. So with all of the SEO, Keywords, and linking its more important than ever not to look "Spammy" on that preview page. If your sites are 6 or 7 months old and your sitting on page one have some patience and keep doing what your doing and you will move up. Screw up and your gonna get bitch slapped and it will all be for naught. As your site ages its PR is going to go up so I wouldnt worry to much about it
 
pocketrockets said:
It's looking like Google has abandoned updating the PR on the toolbar.

You can install the MozRank Toolbar and use their metrics. It's pretty good.

SEO Toolbar for Firefox | Download the Free mozBar SEO Plugin | SEOmoz
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^THIS. I think they are trying to be a little more secretive if that's even possible. I don't care about PR because I'm not selling any of my properties, that's the only value I see in visible PR is raising the "value" of your sites in the eyes of buyers.
 
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