the BANKERS have robbed the PLANET. 16 TRILLION
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Sounds like someone's eyes have been opened rather abruptly... In case you missed it OP, you'll want to see this right now:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrwbgdtbdXE]Exposing the Federal Reserve! - YouTube[/ame]
But dispair not rollyourown, you're not alone. On one hand, the smartasses in here are in a way correct; the fatcats at the top could not be doing all this shit to us if we weren't all a bunch of sheep in the first place. We presented them with easy targets and they didn't have to do very much work in order to make this situation happen.
What the smartasses here aren't taking into consideration though, is that at least the western education systems were set up to CREATE sheeple:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPnDZ1Txlo]SCHOOL SUCKS: The American Way - YouTube[/ame]
(For more of this research John Taylor Gatto. Incredible stuff.)
So if you were LITERALLY created to be a fool that makes shitty deals, then how much should we blame you personally?
Not too much. There is an evil force here creating badness and you may slightly contribute by not educating yourself in time, but no one is giving you any clue that you'd need to, either.
If you're going to be mad at anything; you gotta understand the nature of the problem and those originating the evil. (Sadly, not likely to be the same ppl as those taking advantage of your situation today.)
Want to see the exact methods used against us, that most directly resulted in the world around you today? It is one that Marketers like us especially should appreciate:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prTarrgvkjo]The Century Of The Self 1 of 4 | One: Happiness Machines - YouTube[/ame]
That's part 1 of a 4-hour BBC series, and it's a life-changer. Parts 1 & 4 are best, but I recommend watching them all in order.
Now, what to do about it all now?
There really is one thing you can do. Become an Anarchist. Anything else is just helping the bad guys rape more innocent sheeple. It is my hope to move to a self-sustaining Seastead one day with no form of government aboard. Until then I'm filling my head with everything in the mises.org library. Sounds like you should too.
Good luck!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrwbgdtbdXE]Exposing the Federal Reserve! - YouTube[/ame]
But dispair not rollyourown, you're not alone. On one hand, the smartasses in here are in a way correct; the fatcats at the top could not be doing all this shit to us if we weren't all a bunch of sheep in the first place. We presented them with easy targets and they didn't have to do very much work in order to make this situation happen.
What the smartasses here aren't taking into consideration though, is that at least the western education systems were set up to CREATE sheeple:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPnDZ1Txlo]SCHOOL SUCKS: The American Way - YouTube[/ame]
(For more of this research John Taylor Gatto. Incredible stuff.)
So if you were LITERALLY created to be a fool that makes shitty deals, then how much should we blame you personally?
Not too much. There is an evil force here creating badness and you may slightly contribute by not educating yourself in time, but no one is giving you any clue that you'd need to, either.
If you're going to be mad at anything; you gotta understand the nature of the problem and those originating the evil. (Sadly, not likely to be the same ppl as those taking advantage of your situation today.)
Want to see the exact methods used against us, that most directly resulted in the world around you today? It is one that Marketers like us especially should appreciate:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=prTarrgvkjo]The Century Of The Self 1 of 4 | One: Happiness Machines - YouTube[/ame]
That's part 1 of a 4-hour BBC series, and it's a life-changer. Parts 1 & 4 are best, but I recommend watching them all in order.
Now, what to do about it all now?
There really is one thing you can do. Become an Anarchist. Anything else is just helping the bad guys rape more innocent sheeple. It is my hope to move to a self-sustaining Seastead one day with no form of government aboard. Until then I'm filling my head with everything in the mises.org library. Sounds like you should too.
Good luck!
Ahhh, you're moving over to the dark side! Don't become an anarchist. It's delusional thinking!!!
See what you anarchists are doing? All these new guys show up in your midst, and you end up giving them a victim mentality, to the point they end up thinking, "ohhh, so it's not my fault my life sucks. it's the bankers fault, and the government's fault!".
Not good, not good...
Lol. Well, none of that really applies to me, Kiopa_Matt. I've been an anarchist at heart for years. It's an ideal though, and I think we lack the maturity as a species to achieve such an ideal at the present time.
I take responsibility for my own actions, but I also see the realities of the system in place, and the near term consequences we'll see as a result. Not a pleasant prospect, but then again, the one undeniable quality of the unsustainable is that it will end. So, maybe the sooner the better.
Looks like Edward Bernays used to represent some big brands at some point. Banks, celebrities, and Corporations. Bernays was representing big brands before it was cool.
Irony overload. :ugone2far:Ahhh, you're moving over to the dark side! Don't become an anarchist. It's delusional thinking!!!
Did the OP sound like he wasn't already thinking that he is a victim?
It is you that is doing the most harm here and helping evil thrive in our world. Your attitude is EXACTLY what they've bred into you, which helps them get away with every evil they do.
Watch that School Sucks film in the middle of my post and read the wikipedia page I linked to on Gatto. If you can get through that and understand what we're up against and still say that we are not victims at all then I've got to seriously question your sanity.
Ohhh, fuck off. I'm some guy hanging out in Thailand developing software. I'm not harming anything or anyone.
Yes, I understand the reality of the world we live in, but what exactly would you like me to do about it? Get all butt hurt about it, and waste my life pouting on internet forums about it? Not to mention, I also understand the world can be (and has been, many times) a hell of a lot worse than it is now. It's you guys that believe we're living in an era worse than Pol Pot, or something.
You just tried to give all future readers of this thread advice contrary to them being free. I'm not 100% positive, but I think that would go against the NAP.
Different people promote freedom in different ways. Some anarchists think that seasteading is the best way to go, but people like Guerilla feel that education alone is all we can do. I try both.
So what? What a display of low standards that is... Just because your master beat your parents with barbed wire doesn't mean that his new leather whip is acceptable!
Don't you even have the ability to see that a lack of freedom exists for pretty much all of mankind?
Don't you want more freedom? Wouldn't you like it if you didn't have to pay taxes to anyone? Wouldn't you feel better about it if those tax dollars of yours weren't being used to murder people all around the world? Don't you ever wonder what awesome technology we'd have today if our overlords weren't suppressing it for whatever reason?
If you can't see that we'd be better off without rulers then you will certainly get what you deserve... A life no better than the one you have now.
I just wish people like you wouldn't try to stop those of us who set our sights higher.
There you go buddy! Seasteading. I can see you now, stuck in the middle of the ocean in your 200sqft apartment that cost $500k, paying $15/loaf of bread, shaking your fist in the air with a big smile, "I'm free!!!"
If I'm currently living the life of a modern day slave; a brainwashed indentured servant of the elite, then you know something? Sure, sign me up! This is quite good, and I'm happy to keep going. You act as if you have the gestapo stopping by every week to check up on you, and ensure your grain production levels are appropriate, or something.
And I don't think you realize how unbelievably inhumane humanity can be, and how quickly it can descend to that level. I'll stick with what we have now, thanks.
Unfortunately, what we have now is highly tenuous, to say the least. I think we're all about to find that out for reals over the next decade or so. Pimping payday loans and shitty diets to fat people might not be a viable business plan in ten years. Not saying you're doing that, just making a point.
I'm pretty ignorant about anarchist theory in general (like a gazillion other things), but I'm curious how we might bridge the giant chasm between the current self-destructive, corporatist cluster fuck we live in, and some sort of sustainable, peaceful society that doesn't depend on coercion.
My fundamental belief is that human progress in the near term is going to require a pretty major transcendence of consciousness. Not necessarily across the board, but effecting enough of the population to radically alter our priorities as a species. I think it's clear that solving our core problems (environmental, energy, economic) will require collective action, but at the same time there is huge disparity of wealth and opportunity to overcome.
Anywho, if anybody has some reading suggestions, I'm all ears. I'll add them to the list of stuff I want to learn, when I'm not flailing around on the internets.
You'd have to change our genetic makeup for that to happen, and by doing so, you'd also stifle our desire to innovate and grow as a species. That raw ambition that pushes people to rape & pillage entire countries for their own selfish reasons, is the same ambition that allowed our species to recently land a rover on Mars. You can't really have one without the other.
Agreed. We'll be forced into though. We're too greedy and stupid to come together on our own and do it. Give it 2 or 3 decades, and us humans will be forced to make a critical decision -- come together and survive, or go extinct. I'm guessing we'll come together, and survive. Us humans are good at that.
No offense, but I think that's overly simplistic. People are motivated by a variety of things beyond ambition, acquisition, etc. I would argue that very little, if any, of the great art in the world was motivated by raw ambition. Not to mention, the transcendence I'm talking about is essentially a movement beyond these drives, to those that are less fear, need and ego based, to those that are love, connection, and service based. Those are a recognition of the fundamental truth that we are all ultimately one thing, not separate.
That Mars rover is fucking bad ass though, no?
I'm with you there, although I see it beginning sooner, like this decade. I think it'll start with the collapse of the financial house of cards/global fiat currencies, followed by us having to deal seriously with energy and environmental issues that have been brewing for decades. And yeah, we are some tenacious and resilient monkeys, no doubt about that.
Interesting times indeed.
A lot in here I agree with, suprisingly.
Except:
1. Assuming no personal responsibility.
2. The origin of the Evil.
3. Your "one" solution.
Doesn't seem like a great deal now before the fall, I realize. Just wait until the dollar isn't worth a peso, or all americans must have RFID implants just to buy anything, and we'll see who's laughing then.There you go buddy! Seasteading. I can see you now, stuck in the middle of the ocean in your 200sqft apartment that cost $500k, paying $15/loaf of bread, shaking your fist in the air with a big smile, "I'm free!!!"
No, I don't. I act as one who sees worse times coming and a failed political process that will simply not allow us to do anything about it.
Anarchy is something mankind has yearned for since the first rulers. My wishes here are nothing new... But they are hurried along by the need to escape the impending hell that is coming our way as america falls.
You're very welcome to. I only keep arguing with you about it because you keep popping up in threads were we talk about it and say things like "Ahhh, you're moving over to the dark side! Don't become an anarchist. It's delusional thinking!!!" This is extremely annoying because I am trying to help people here, give answers to questions they ask, and you're heading them off like a little liberal bitch outside of a abortion clinic!
If you don't want to partake in anarchy, that's swell. You are graciously invited to stay out of all such conversations from here on out.
This forum is FILLED with great lists of books like the ones you're looking for. Pretty much every thread that Guerilla, myself, or JakeStratham appear on lists a few.
Try this one: http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-shit/147909-i-hate-say-but-newt-rp-3.html
Overall, you really can't beat the Mises.org library. It can be overwhelming but it is the best. I also love the books, mostly free PDFs, that Stefan Molyneaux puts out on his site here. Try reading that one called "Practical Anarchy," it answers a lot of technical questions for people about how anarchy can actually work, nuts and bolts stuff. I think you'll like it.
1. Where did I say NOT to assume any personal responsibility? I clearly said that there is some, in fact... But being brainwashed from the start is clearly a major hurdle to overcome and some blame is deserved elsewhere.
2. The Origin of evil is not clearly defined in any of this subject matter, except of course the mentioning of the Rothschilds, Morgans, Stanleys, and Rockefellers... Nothing said where they got it or if they acted alone. (Nor even if they were the only ones operating at the time.) If anything the actual origin of the evil is within every last one of us, and those who choose profit at the expense of others are the ones that commit actual Evil. -People who do not practice the NAP, IMHO. So I guess the point here is that it doesn't make a lot of sense to point to one clear origin of "the evil" done to us. It came from many different people, some together, some apart. It came from bankers, CEOs, Prussian generals, and US presidents. I don't think there is any one person or organization pulling all those strings. Seems quite impractical, but if there was just one that did the MOST evil, it would likely be the rothschilds.
3. Seasteading is by no means perfect, and certainly is not ready yet. However, Making new land of some kind that the existing govs can't annex is the only way we're going to find out if Voluntary Anarchy can truly work in practice... And once it is all over YouTube and the whole world sees what a much better system it is than what they've got, then they'll likely demand less and less government themselves. That's the hope, at least. One that COULD pay off in our lifetimes.
