the BANKERS have robbed the PLANET. 16 TRILLION

Dwight Schrute said:
Who does the Bilderberg Group want as President of the US, and why?
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According to the Guardian, it was Mittens... But neither was officially invited (the list they release is usually not accurate at all) and neither was photographed.

However, during LAST YEAR'S Bilderberg meeting, Rick Perry WAS photographed, and he obviously was not picked to be the next president.

So I'm going to have to say that try as they might, Bilderberg isn't as powerful as most think they are. It's just a conference of powerful ppl, not a fully-powerful conspiracy.
 


cabezon said:
I would argue that very little, if any, of the great art in the world was motivated by raw ambition.
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What do you mean? The desire to create the most beautiful, awe inspiring masterpiece in the world; the desire to convey a certain message you feel deeply about, and so on. That's ambition, and the same ambition that causes people to desire to be an iron fisted leader who conquers, rapes, and pillages land after land.

Without having a ruthless maniac wanting to commit genocide everywhere and become leader of the world, you're not going to have a scientist who goes to extraordinary lengths to help mankind with his/her inventions. It's all the same ambition, but just applied differently.

cabezon said:
Not to mention, the transcendence I'm talking about is essentially a movement beyond these drives, to those that are less fear, need and ego based, to those that are love, connection, and service based. Those are a recognition of the fundamental truth that we are all ultimately one thing, not separate.
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Right, we'd need genetic modification for that to happen though, and doing so would probably have some ill-wanted effects.

Or just convince everyone in the world to take LSD once every couple weeks. Whichever is easier. :) Magic mushrooms, DMT, and isolation chambers for everyone!!!
 
Just curious. How do you guys define bankers ? Investment bankers ? Anyone working at a bank ?
 
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Hale.Pane said:
Just curious. How do you guys define bankers ? Investment bankers ? Anyone working at a bank ?
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perfect question. i worked at lehman in the late 90s & nobody i knew were underhanded or devious or deceptive, just regular people working regular jobs. this bully pulpit demonization of the banks is a political construct designed to distract voters from the very clear fact that government pushed "everybody should get a mortgage" and the public bought it. when the music stopped, out comes the propaganda.

don't be sheep. if you (not you, op) don't understand a credit default swap (nothing but an insurance policy), don't talk as if you do just because you've watched your uber-political commander in chief wag his finger at wall street to rile up support for his polarizing political agenda.

incidently, i now have monthly fees on my US checking account that i haven't had in 20 years. if this 'war on banks' has achieved nothing else, it achieved that. fun.
 
Hale.Pane said:
Just curious. How do you guys define bankers ? Investment bankers ? Anyone working at a bank ?
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Of course not anyone at a bank. I'd bet any of the bad-guy bankers have never stepped foot in a retail bank like the one at your corner shopping strip.

It's the big-city investment banks where they hide, and even then it's not all of the people in them.

Your typical Financial Adviser, for instance, especially the new ones that haven't been in the system for long, are not aware at all of any the shady stuff. (Yes, I can speak from experience on this part.) Like you'd expect, they don't ask on job interviews if you're ok with breaking the law or cheating ppl out of their life savings on a routine basis. :thumbsup:

However the managers of these ppl are a little aware of the scams because they see mostly all of the numbers and they'd have to be fools to not notice the ugly stuff. At that point they they get stressed because they know, either consciously or unconsciously, that they are accomplices. Many quit at this point. Many others have some sort of a stroke. The tough ones that make it through this vetting process have a sure future in evil overlordship.

THOSE are the bankers of which we speak, and I'd guess there's only really a few thousand of them in the world at any given time.
 
lukep said:
Of course not anyone at a bank. I'd bet any of the bad-guy bankers have never stepped foot in a retail bank like the one at your corner shopping strip.

It's the big-city investment banks where they hide, and even then it's not all of the people in them.

Your typical Financial Adviser, for instance, especially the new ones that haven't been in the system for long, are not aware at all of any the shady stuff. (Yes, I can speak from experience on this part.) Like you'd expect, they don't ask on job interviews if you're ok with breaking the law or cheating ppl out of their life savings on a routine basis. :thumbsup:

However the managers of these ppl are a little aware of the scams because they see mostly all of the numbers and they'd have to be fools to not notice the ugly stuff. At that point they they get stressed because they know, either consciously or unconsciously, that they are accomplices. Many quit at this point. Many others have some sort of a stroke. The tough ones that make it through this vetting process have a sure future in evil overlordship.

THOSE are the bankers of which we speak, and I'd guess there's only really a few thousand of them in the world at any given time.
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wouldn't you agree that there is this level of shadiness in any company in any industry? shady salespeople exist. that sounds like pretty much every sales organization on the planet. why single out the banking community?
 
drave said:
wouldn't you agree that there is this level of shadiness in any company in any industry? shady salespeople exist. that sounds like pretty much every sales organization on the planet. why single out the banking community?
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Last time I checked, the vacuum cleaner community didn't have the power to destroy family livelihoods & the world's economy itself.

People are people everywhere, but the banking industry has TRUE Power. Ask any Rothschild, Chase, Morgan, Rockefeller, or Stanley.

I can't think of anyone else I'd rather single out.
 
lukep said:
Last time I checked, the vacuum cleaner community didn't have the power to destroy family livelihoods & the world's economy itself.

People are people everywhere, but the banking industry has TRUE Power. Ask any Rothschild, Chase, Morgan, Rockefeller, or Stanley.

I can't think of anyone else I'd rather single out.
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the real estate community does. and all those families you mentioned were from a previous century. sure, chase & morgan still exist in name only, but are you saying their family culture is what caused the 2008 recession?

if you had to single out someone, i don't blame you for choosing them, but i question whether someone has to be singled out. rothschild didn't push people to consider buying outside their means. chase didn't show people the houses. morgan didn't tell people houses were always going to appreciate.

the early 2000 housing market was like a gambling house in which nobody thought they could lose, and everyone bought in at every level -- consumers, politicians, banks, regulators, everybody. to blame it all on the banks is foolish -- everyone was trying to to get in on it. in 2008, the music stopped & the blame game started. obama started wagging his finger at wall street & the plebes followed.

quit associating power with blame just because its common practice. everyone who thought real estate prices would never fall, which is to say everyone, is to blame.
 
furthermore, despite what obama like to preach, a credit default swap is not a satanic instrument. its just an insurance contract. lehamn went under because they positioned themselves (like almost every american) that housing prices would not fall, so they wrote alot of credit default swaps (very similar to AIG).

they were wrong on that assumption. not devils or thieves, just wrong, and it wrecked their firm big-time. there's nothing criminal about that. anyone who got caught in an underwater mortgage was just as wrong. barney frank was just as wrong. i myself was wrong.

to see this blame being laid for political purposes on the banks is comical. EVERYONE DRANK THE SAME KOOL-AID. its all our faults.
 
drave said:
the real estate community does.
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Not even close... They don't have a magic 'wealth printing machine' to inflate or destroy the economy with, all they can do is lie about the worth of their properties. If there is a 2nd-closest industry it would be law... They've got their hands in every pie too, and since they somewhat control the threat of a states' force their kung fu is pretty strong too... But I can't think of any time they've used it to do as much damage as say, the Fed has.

In the end, it's really all the State's fault... If the state didn't exist, (and wasn't so corruptible) these cronies couldn't take advantage of it to do such things at all... They'd be no more powerful than you or I without the threat of state force enforcing their monopolies.


drave said:
and all those families you mentioned were from a previous century. sure, chase & morgan still exist in name only, but are you saying their family culture is what caused the 2008 recession?
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More than their culture; their Legacy and their employees that run things today.


drave said:
if you had to single out someone, i don't blame you for choosing them, but i question whether someone has to be singled out. rothschild didn't push people to consider buying outside their means. chase didn't show people the houses. morgan didn't tell people houses were always going to appreciate.
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Actually there was a balance in the RE market that lasted for many decades that was never tipped until some banker came up with the idea to make that unique blend of repackaged mortgage-backed securities. Suddenly a new device was on the market that was extremely risky on the investment side because it allowed idiots on the retail side to get into mortgages they never should have gone near before...

Lenders started making bad loans thinking those packaged MBSs would protect them... In the end they couldn't keep it up of course, but through lobbyist control over the state, the fatcat bankers who caused the root of this whole problem got away in their golden parachutes... Is that right?

Sure, the homeowners accepted the bad loans but they were not educated on the difference between a normal loan and those skanky loans... Both parties are to blame.


drave said:
quit associating power with blame just because its common practice. everyone who thought real estate prices would never fall, which is to say everyone, is to blame.
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I see the state as the worst evil here, so clearly your assumption is wrong. However, there is certainly some truth to the fact that the new, riskier recipe of the MBSs caused an imbalance to the system which caused all the problems back then... Shouldn't someone have investigated the decision-making process of those that created those MBSs?

Meanwhile, that burst bubble is NOTHING compared to what's about to happen with the USD now that we're no longer the world reserve currency. It seems a little silly to be talking about the cause of that cute little Ripple in the kiddie pool when a huge tsunami is coming right at us now. :uhoh2:
 
lukep said:
It seems a little silly to be talking about the cause of that cute little Ripple in the kiddie pool when a huge tsunami is coming right at us now. :uhoh2:
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i had many points i'd liked to have argued, but that is something on which we definitely agree completely.
 
Rexibit said:
If only it were as simple as $16 trillion. That is only a symptom. Bailing out the bankers is only a symptom.

To understand the root cause, you need to understand that the problem is on a global scale. You also need to understand that only a select few (possibly even less than a dozen people) are at the heart of this and are playing everyone else (corporations, countries, factions, etc.) against one another like a massive game of chess. These few control the wars, control governments, control everything.

They use governments like their own spending accounts to mask transactions. After all, just look at who's money is sent to whom, which is then sent to someone else. Take for example Greece. The EU didn't end up bailing them out, we paid the last bit so they could run just enough to pass new legislation. Where did we get that money? China, and after we already bailed out a lot of banks.

No, this is all designed to mask funding and control the common people, give their pocket politicians something to do so they can slip things in, etc.

Now, I'm going to go get my affairs in order because they are coming for me now because I opened your eyes.

Adieu. *Salutes and takes a backwards step off the ship.*
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Explain to someone who doesn't understand all this stuff, why would the US would bail out Greece when we have our own debts to pay as a nation?
 
Fiver said:
Explain to someone who doesn't understand all this stuff, why would the US would bail out Greece when we have our own debts to pay as a nation?
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- if you owe money to person x, does that mean you can't lend a smaller amount to person y?
- if you owe money to person x and you estimate that if person y goes bankrupt will lose you more money than if they don't, will you lend money to person y to help them avoid bankruptcy?
- if you own several companies and some of them are in debt, does that mean that you as an owner can't lend money to a good friend of yours company?
 
JoseArmando said:
- if you owe money to person x, does that mean you can't lend a smaller amount to person y?
- if you owe money to person x and you estimate that if person y goes bankrupt will lose you more money than if they don't, will you lend money to person y to help them avoid bankruptcy?
- if you own several companies and some of them are in debt, does that mean that you as an owner can't lend money to a good friend of yours company?
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Ok, so how does Greece going bankrupt cause the US to lose even more money?
 
I don't care too much about politics so I can't say what's their reason in this situation but what I tried to illustrate was that owing money doesn't negate lending it.
 
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