The Best Way To Support Obama?

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turbolapp said:
It's all over the net, you just don't like what you see.

Here's an example of what's important to me: foreign diplomacy. Cause frankly, I'm freakin tired of being seen as the arrogant Bully. (and Bullies always go down in the end)

Renewing American Diplomacy
  • The Problem: The United States is trapped by the Bush-Cheney approach to diplomacy that refuses to talk to leaders we don't like. Not talking doesn't make us look tough – it makes us look arrogant, it denies us opportunities to make progress, and it makes it harder for America to rally international support for our leadership. On challenges ranging from terrorism to disease, nuclear weapons to climate change, we cannot make progress unless we can draw on strong international support.
  • Talk to our Foes and Friends: Obama is willing to meet with the leaders of all nations, friend and foe. He will do the careful preparation necessary, but will signal that America is ready to come to the table, and that he is willing to lead. And if America is willing to come to the table, the world will be more willing to rally behind American leadership to deal with challenges like terrorism, and Iran and North Korea's nuclear programs.
  • Israeli-Palestinian Conflict: Obama will make progress on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict a key diplomatic priority. He will make a sustained push – working with Israelis and Palestinians – to achieve the goal of two states, a Jewish state in Israel and a Palestinian state, living side by side in peace and security.
  • Expand our Diplomatic Presence: To make diplomacy a priority, Obama will stop shuttering consulates and start opening them in the tough and hopeless corners of the world – particularly in Africa. He will expand our foreign service, and develop the capacity of our civilian aid workers to work alongside the military.
  • Fight Global Poverty: Obama will embrace the Millennium Development Goal of cutting extreme poverty around the world in half by 2015, and he will double our foreign assistance to $50 billion to achieve that goal. He will help the world's weakest states to build healthy and educated communities, reduce poverty, develop markets, and generate wealth.
  • Strengthen NATO: Obama will rally NATO members to contribute troops to collective security operations, urging them to invest more in reconstruction and stabilization operations, streamlining the decision-making processes, and giving NATO commanders in the field more flexibility.
  • Seek New Partnerships in Asia: Obama will forge a more effective framework in Asia that goes beyond bilateral agreements, occasional summits, and ad hoc arrangements, such as the six-party talks on North Korea. He will maintain strong ties with allies like Japan, South Korea and Australia; work to build an infrastructure with countries in East Asia that can promote stability and prosperity; and work to ensure that China plays by international rules
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Asia...blah...blah..blah...Africa..blah...blah..blah....Global poverty..blah...blah...blah...Palestinians blah...blah..blah..No, No I want to see his social, economic and military stance pertaining to the United States. He isn't running for the United Nations, he is running for President of the United States.

I have seen all this shite before. I want to know what he expects to do about the current problems facing the US like illegal immigraion, possible recession, what social programs does he expect to immplement. What is he going to do with our military cut it or raise a larger army.

It wasnt the fact I didnt like what I had seen, it was the fact that I havent seen anything of any substance.
 


DruSam said:
oops i forgot:

3. more borrowed money from foreign banks to pay off the interest of the old borrowed money.

I hope Obama can some how diplomatically convince our foreign creditors to drop our debts?

...send them flowers maybe?
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maybe a crack rock and a blowjob??
 
popeye said:
Since your voting for him in the primaries, could you please point me to a website or something that has his platform laid out (I have looked all over the net). I would really like to know what we are possibly headed for in the next 4 years.
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I hope you are better at monetization than you are with search engine results!

The next four years will be more of the same. The US is in an unstoppable spiral of intellectual, moral (ya ya every one has differnt morals, that's fine they are all still in the same boat), and physical decay, and it's taking the world right along with it.

Without a president willing to attack the entire system and start over it doesn't really matter who leads. I say president because most americans are complete idiots who would rather have another cheeseburger than stand for something (other than that cheeseburger) and blindly follow whatever they are told by their leader(s) and selected media outlets.

popeye said:
Since your voting for him in the primaries, could you please point me to a website or something that has his platform laid out (I have looked all over the net). I would really like to know what we are possibly headed for in the next 4 years.
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Again, you lack logic. If he never authored any legislation, how do you know he stands liberal? They vote 'Yes' and 'No' not 'Liberal', 'Conservative', or 'Dumbass'.
 
popeye said:
Asia...blah...blah..blah...Africa..blah...blah..blah....Global poverty..blah...blah...blah...Palestinians blah...blah..blah..No, No I want to see his social, economic and military stance pertaining to the United States. He isn't running for the United Nations, he is running for President of the United States.

I have seen all this shite before. I want to know what he expects to do about the current problems facing the US like illegal immigraion, possible recession, what social programs does he expect to immplement. What is he going to do with our military cut it or raise a larger army.

It wasnt the fact I didnt like what I had seen, it was the fact that I havent seen anything of any substance.
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This is a big fucking boohoo for you. This is the typical, I haven't seen it so it must not exist bullshit typical of head in the sand wankers. Turbolapp showed you substance of something that is important to her, but that's not good enough for you? She has to go find his positions on your hot button issues? BOO FUCKING HOO!

That does it, I resign myself from political threads on WF.
 
popeye said:
Since your voting for him in the primaries, could you please point me to a website or something that has his platform laid out (I have looked all over the net). I would really like to know what we are possibly headed for in the next 4 years.
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I hope you are better at monetization than you are with search engine results!

popeye said:
Since your voting for him in the primaries, could you please point me to a website or something that has his platform laid out (I have looked all over the net). I would really like to know what we are possibly headed for in the next 4 years.
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Again, you lack logic. If he never authored any legislation, how do you know he stands liberal? They vote 'Yes' and 'No' not 'Liberal', 'Conservative', or 'Dumbass'.

The next four years will be more of the same. The US is in an unstoppable spiral of intellectual, moral (ya ya every one has different morals, that's fine they are all still in the same boat), and physical decay, and it's taking the world right along with it.

Without a president willing to attack the entire system and start over it doesn't really matter who leads. I say president because most americans are complete idiots who would rather have another cheeseburger than stand for something (other than that cheeseburger) and blindly follow whatever they are told by their leader(s) and selected media outlets.

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Double posted instead of edited, sorry.
 
SkyFire said:
I hope you are better at monetization than you are with search engine results!



Again, you lack logic. If he never authored any legislation, how do you know he stands liberal? They vote 'Yes' and 'No' not 'Liberal', 'Conservative', or 'Dumbass'.

The next four years will be more of the same. The US is in an unstoppable spiral of intellectual, moral (ya ya every one has different morals, that's fine they are all still in the same boat), and physical decay, and it's taking the world right along with it.

Without a president willing to attack the entire system and start over it doesn't really matter who leads. I say president because most americans are complete idiots who would rather have another cheeseburger than stand for something (other than that cheeseburger) and blindly follow whatever they are told by their leader(s) and selected media outlets.

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Double posted instead of edited, sorry.
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Im sorry Mr. Skyfire but I must inform you that you are terminal with Liberalism. Again I ask....Point me in the direction of where I can find Obama's platform concerning real policy. Not how he is gona feed the Africans or Bring about peace in the middle east. Thats the same ole bullshit they all say. I want to know what the fuck he plans to do with us.

Mr. Skyfire, I am truly sorry, their is no cure for your disease. We are going to have to move you to a Liberal colony in San Fransico. Where you will spend your last days in unwashed tie dyes, singing Kum Ba Yah, smelling of patchouli and taking turns defecating on pictures of George Bush.
 
radio said:
This is a big fucking boohoo for you. This is the typical, I haven't seen it so it must not exist bullshit typical of head in the sand wankers. Turbolapp showed you substance of something that is important to her, but that's not good enough for you? She has to go find his positions on your hot button issues? BOO FUCKING HOO!

That does it, I resign myself from political threads on WF.
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bye?
 
popeye said:
Im sorry Mr. Skyfire but I must inform you that you are terminal with Liberalism. Again I ask....Point me in the direction of where I can find Obama's platform concerning real policy. Not how he is gona feed the Africans or Bring about peace in the middle east. Thats the same ole bullshit they all say. I want to know what the fuck he plans to do with us.

Mr. Skyfire, I am truly sorry, their is no cure for your disease. We are going to have to move you to a Liberal colony in San Fransico. Where you will spend your last days in unwashed tie dyes, singing Kum Ba Yah, smelling of patchouli and taking turns defecating on pictures of George Bush.
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Your inability to articulate anything in an intellectual manner speaks volumes about you. You (appear to) cover your lack of any real knowledge with personal attacks and supposition.

You've just gone on about your opinions on 'Liverals'. Perhaps you have some facts to back up your opinions? Or perhaps you can explain what it is, precisely, that makes a non-'Liberal' less as you put it, diseased, than a 'Liberal'?

If not I suggest you stop labeling and attacking people you think you disagree with because, had you bothered to look, I've not expressed a single political opinion in this thread. You expect to find opposition so when you look opposition is what you get.
 
SkyFire said:
I hope you are better at monetization than you are with search engine results!

The next four years will be more of the same. The US is in an unstoppable spiral of intellectual, moral (ya ya every one has differnt morals, that's fine they are all still in the same boat), and physical decay, and it's taking the world right along with it.

Without a president willing to attack the entire system and start over it doesn't really matter who leads. I say president because most americans are complete idiots who would rather have another cheeseburger than stand for something (other than that cheeseburger) and blindly follow whatever they are told by their leader(s) and selected media outlets.



Again, you lack logic. If he never authored any legislation, how do you know he stands liberal? They vote 'Yes' and 'No' not 'Liberal', 'Conservative', or 'Dumbass'.
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NO..you started with the insults. I sir was asking for his platform because 99% of his "followers" have no idea where the hell he stands on anything besides "Bush sucks vote for me". I wanted to see if any of his "followers" could even point to policy..real policy and my assumptions were correct..NOPE!

You started the insults and you got some back at you. If you are not a liberal then something is wrong because you sure show the symptoms....Attacking someone personally that doesnt believe in your beliefs.

Not once on this forum have I insulted someone for thier beliefs. I may have traded some insults only because they were cast at me first.

I am done with these thread. Talking politics with flamming liberals is useless. I would rather poke myself in the eye with a fuckin pencil.

Again I ask for the fourth time "SHOW ME SOME POLICY WITH SOME SUBSTANCE FROM OBAMA"

You can't because thier isn't any.
 
I think Obama has extensive policy.

I just disagree that he can responsibly pay for them all without putting the hurt on taxpayers or running up more loans causing inflation (which in a way is another form of tax...). I say the same for Clinton and McCain. But I don't expect McCain to create more programs, I expect him to create more wars.
 
DruSam said:
I think Obama has extensive policy.

I just disagree that he can responsibly pay for them all without putting the hurt on taxpayers or running up more loans causing inflation (which in a way is another form of tax...). I say the same for Clinton and McCain. But I don't expect McCain to create more programs, I expect him to create more wars.
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You seem correct in your assertion. Where will the money come from as these Agents of change,Hilary and Obama, move their agendas forward. Also if Obama can state that he would attack Pakistan if intelligence knew Bin Laden was in their territory, why would he not fully disclose his initiatives here in the US. He has often talked about universal health care and driver licenses to illegal aliens. He may have briefly discussed economics on the "stump" but he has largely remained general in his ideas which all good political candidates demonstrate. Rather than attack Obama or Mc Cain or Clinton we as a people need to determine how we can best help ourselves. Obviously WF members are attempting to do more than wait for rebates from the government. So I respect all of you for that regardless of where your political affiliations may lay.

As for Obama supporters; they really must come to the table better than Senator Kirk Watson. Yes he is a Senator and they do "vote" on legislation, yet he has only proposed legislation that you can count on one hand. Does that make him a bad person or a bad Senator? Who can say. We do know that he has a rather young career in government and he has kept his nose clean so far which is troubling. Troubling only because if there are no skeletons in one's closet now, do they start to materialize when one achieves a higher position? I would prefer a more active politician because I know what issues they stand for and against. Both Hilary and Clinton held off voting on the troop surge until it was apparent that the bill would move forward. Playing it safe will not help to turn around the issues facing our Republic. We will need more than motivational speeches. We will need works and actions. Surely Clinton will address that part of his campaign during the debate tonight.

P.S. Political threads are common during election years. I would be surprised if there are more than a handful of comments if this thread was started 2 years ago.
 
I watched the part of interview on TV. That guy as a congressman couldn't answer simple question. We can really sense how Obama supporters are. Lot of his supporters are duped or cheated by his non-substance big talk "Change". What he really changed in politics for the past 17 years? What's real fact he united others in the senate? Then He often curse others as dividers.

He labeled himself better that other politicians, where it is better? Is he clean? Washington is broken/bad, why he got into Washington? Why he didn't leave wishington? Why he is associated and want to get endoresment from those oldest guys in senates?

His words and his actions just don't match!
 
popeye said:
You started the insults and you got some back at you. If you are not a liberal then something is wrong because you sure show the symptoms....Attacking someone personally that doesnt believe in your beliefs.

Not once on this forum have I insulted someone for thier beliefs. I may have traded some insults only because they were cast at me first.

I am done with these thread. Talking politics with flamming liberals is useless. I would rather poke myself in the eye with a fuckin pencil.
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Symptoms? Are you fucking kidding me? You attack every thread on this forum that is not pro republican, so apparently these "symptoms" are shared by you as well.

Its blindly obvious that no matter what Obamba does you will not be happy. So why the fuck do you keep posting this useless nonsense dribble? Just wait till the "fad" of hating bush is over and you and the rest of the 12% of the country that still likes him can go back to licking out his ass.
 
I don't trust Obama. He's coming off like Hitler did before he got into power.
I don't trust McCain. Anyone remember the Keating 5?
I don't trust Hillary. Still screaming about "Universal Health Care".
I don't trust Ron Paul. He's the 2008 Ross Perot.
So...GO HUCKABEE!
 
The democrats are pretty much fucked. I had to vote for Hilary in the primaries. I thought I would never vote for a woman, but I think she's more manly than her husband. Plus things were much more peaceful when Bill was in the office getting blown and getting his cigars wet with pussy juice. I'm sure Hilary would 69 her female interns too.

I'm voting for Ron Paul though if he's on the presidential ballot.
 
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