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next four fucking years with these threads.


we need another movie theater shooting. shut your cocksuckers up for a week. talk about guns or something.


edit: the same script obombya is going by is the exact same one romknee would have followed. stop thinking like the people you market to for once and put on your big boys pants and THINK for yourself. and if you're thinking for yourself. PM I have new grants they're offering for butthurt marketers.
 


I see a lot of defensiveness on the part of you guys here.

It's like I'm not even allowed to disagree with your policies or your philosophy without being personally attacked with passive-aggressive snark.

What's the deal? You guys are worse than the neocons here.

You too Guerilla. I can see why you hold to your view of a nation as a collective psychological projection. And I agree with parts of it But if you're gonna get butthurt over Canada and presume there is no alternative position on nationhood that doesn't carry some merit then you're way off the deep end.

Keep in mind, your credibility rests on whether your rejection of alternative positions is rooted in reasoned analysis, or on emotive expression and partisan ideology. It's the difference between you and Hellblazer. Don't turn.

Paper_Chase said:
LOL can't believe the stupidity in your post. Do some more research before you go spoutin' off ignorant bullshit.

You guys would be lucky to to adopt some Canadian and European principles.

Looks like the Republicans successfully brainwashed another American though...
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Are we really past the point of dialog here? Just partisan bleating? Real life is now Rachel Maddow vs Bill O'Reilly?

Get real, man.
 
turbolapp said:
And maybe stop alienating everyone that isn't a white male.
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Boohoo, don't you have the same rights as everyone else? I see no burka on you?

The whole 'war on women' and it's efficiency is a clear testament to how easily manipulated women are. Let's face it, if women couldn't vote, there wouldn't be a single welfare state in the world.
 
Ar Scion said:
But if you're gonna get butthurt over Canada
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I am not butthurt over Canada, I simply pointed out how stupid your comment was.

You're the one being defensive.

You make this airhead post that communicates nothing concrete except some generalized whining post-election, and now you want to complain about the responses you get @ WF STS?

Maybe you should get real.

Ar Scion said:
and presume there is no alternative position on nationhood that doesn't carry some merit then you're way off in the deep end.
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What is merit? In whose eyes? What is that alternative position?

Say something worth reading.
 
Speaking of America as 'one' nation is insane when half the population have very different backgrounds than that of it's founders.

America IS white anglo saxon protestant, that is the entire basis of the founding fathers. It prospered as such a state and it fails once that group and it's values lose power.

You'll see soon enough. The smart Americans only need to look to the once proud European nations to see what happens when white guilt takes over a nation.
 
rusvik said:
Boohoo, don't you have the same rights as everyone else? I see no burka on you?

The whole 'war on women' and it's efficiency is a clear testament to how easily manipulated women are. Let's face it, if women couldn't vote, there wouldn't be a single welfare state in the world.
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And this exactly what I'm talking about. Stop being emotional and think like a marketer for a second. The question was how to get republicans to win. I'm saying if you want a strategic in, stop alienating everyone that's not white males. How do you think obama won? It wasn't his fantastic policies or his stellar track record it was the hispanic vote, the black vote, the asian vote, the female vote,...etc. And he has these votes by default because the Republicans/teaparty are loud and proud when it comes to offending minority groups. The irony (and what Republicans now see clearly the day after) is, all of these groups, together, make up the majority. Whether the Republican White is comfortable with it or not, they're going to have to figure out a way to woo these voters if they ever want to see office again.
 
turbolapp said:
And this exactly what I'm talking about. Stop being emotional and think like a marketer for a second. The question was how to get republicans to win. I'm saying if you want a strategic in, stop alienating everyone that's not white males. How do you think obama won? It wasn't his fantastic policies or his stellar track record it was the hispanic vote, the black vote, the asian vote, the female vote,...etc. And he has these votes by default because the Republicans/teaparty are loud and proud when it comes to offending minority groups. The irony (and what Republicans now see clearly the day after) is, all of these groups, together, make up the majority. Whether the Republican White is comfortable with it or not, they're going to have to figure out a way to woo these voters if they ever want to see office again.
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As much as I agree with this, I think the war on women is a fabrication.

Opposing abortion and the forcing of groups to provide taxpayer-funded contraception against their beliefs and/or wills isn't so much a war on women, so much as a difference in philosophies.

And that's what I see as the turning point in this election. People feel entitled to things regardless of whether they are principled, or even economically feasible.
 
OP,

Conservative, liberal. LOL, you are falling for definitions given to you by an elite who own almost everything.

There is almost no difference between the two candidates when you are talking about the status quo. And no real change can come as long as the status quo stays the same.

What made America great is 1- vast resources and 2- social mobility based on trying to apply meritocratic principles. Anyone can be anything if they choose to go after it and earn it. That was what made America great, it APPLIED the concepts of the enlightenment to a political system. Now a days, America has less social mobility than most of EU/Canada. And both parties support the ever decreasing social mobility. Because both parties are owned by the same people who are on top. These people find social mobility a threat to their ability to dominate society and carve up the greatest portion of resources for themselves, while contributing NOTHING. So each party curbs social mobility in different ways. It is GREATLY in my favor that Romney would have won. It would have AFFECTED MY reality in the short term. But in the long term, both candidates are the same.

All the political puppets are just there to give you a sense of freedom, which you have bought hook line and sinker.

Those who understand this reality look at you at best as a short term obsessed individual or at worst as a brain-washed drone. That is why you are getting the response you get.

Get over the sense of division that the elites have given you so they can more easily control you, and you will get a better response by those who understand where the divisions you hold so sacred come from.
 
I think lowering this to women or race misses the point.

It's about values and culture, which aren't dependent on race or sex.

America is an Obamanation. It's much more honest than if Romney had won, and today we would have to be subjected to endless crowing from fascists about the free market and moral relativists going on about conservative values.

The left are full of shit, and the right are full of shit, but the big difference is that while the left are just wrong, the right talks a good game and then does the complete opposite. You'd have to be an idiot to trust a right winger to follow through. Look at Ryan, arguably the biggest hypocrite in Congress.

That was the beauty of Ron Paul. In 99% of cases, you could see his votes line up with his rhetoric. Even if you disagreed with him, you'd never call him a liar.

Anyway, everyone who voted and loves democracy, learn to love this result because it was arrived at democratically. Obama is your president. Enjoy.
 
turbolapp said:
And this exactly what I'm talking about. Stop being emotional and think like a marketer for a second. The question was how to get republicans to win. I'm saying if you want a strategic in, stop alienating everyone that's not white males. How do you think obama won? It wasn't his fantastic policies or his stellar track record it was the hispanic vote, the black vote, the asian vote, the female vote,...etc. And he has these votes by default because the Republicans/teaparty are loud and proud when it comes to offending minority groups. The irony (and what Republicans now see clearly the day after) is, all of these groups, together, make up the majority. Whether the Republican White is comfortable with it or not, they're going to have to figure out a way to woo these voters if they ever want to see office again.
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Can I see some examples of how Romney offended EVERYONE but white males?

I know there was a comment about "binders of women" ( which I don't see offensive in the way he used it ) and I do not see where any offense was given to blacks or asians. As far as mexicans, I have no clue why they are all up in arms in about deporting illegals. If your here illegal then you should get sent home.. thats just national defense. Mexican americans shouldn't get their panties in a wad when their illegal cousin comes here and gets shipped back, he should just do it legit like everyone else has to.

Im not taking sides, I just facts is all.

Obama has offended a lot of groups himself, but you don't see us up in arms about it.
 
guerilla said:
The left are full of shit, and the right are full of shit, but the big difference is that while the left are just wrong, the right talks a good game and then does the complete opposite. You'd have to be an idiot to trust a right winger to follow through. Look at Ryan, arguably the biggest hypocrite in Congress.
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This was well said and something I've been trying to articulate for a while. People really don't see it, though. I realized this when I was watching coverage a few days ago and the intro was "Which will you choose? One candidate wants (sorry I can't for the life of me remember what she said about Obama) and one wants smaller government"

The Republicans are packaging shit, the media distributed it and, sadly, most Americans buy it.
 
turbolapp said:
The Republicans are packaging shit, the media distributed it and, sadly, most Americans buy it.
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Apparently not enough bought it.

Although, I don't trust the whole vote counting thing, so maybe Romney really won with 80% of the vote.

That's kind of the poetic beauty of statism. You can't tell real from unreal.

And maybe it doesn't matter.
 
guerilla said:
What is merit? In whose eyes? What is that alternative position?

Say something worth reading.
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You're trying to engage in dialog here, but you're still viewing through your rose-tinted butthurt lens.

If you can't get over me not seeing the Canadian model as a viable long term nation-state, just choose to let go instead of responding with snark.

Geopolitical ignorance and behavioral ignorance don't make for sound ideology.

But for the record, I think the disagreement is one of presumptions. I'm not convinced statehood is a psychological illusion. The fact that social contracts that ground statehood exist wherever human life exists means it has some pragmatic value. Even necessary value.

People want this shit. People think they need this shit.
 
Just to be a big contrarian on this thread, it's a great, great time to be an investor. Lots of money sitting on the sidelines so the numbers on a lot of companies look great. P/E under 10, nice 4% + dividends. Shitloads of cash on the balance.

Lots of companies have enough liquidity to survive two years of a zombie apocalypse.

Now of course, if you guys wanna keep your cash under the mattress and wait for happy times and the unicorns to come out and prance over the rainbows, then be my guest.

But coincidentally, that's when the bargains tend to vanish.
 
turbolapp said:
And this exactly what I'm talking about. Stop being emotional and think like a marketer for a second. The question was how to get republicans to win. I'm saying if you want a strategic in, stop alienating everyone that's not white males. How do you think obama won? It wasn't his fantastic policies or his stellar track record it was the hispanic vote, the black vote, the asian vote, the female vote,...etc. And he has these votes by default because the Republicans/teaparty are loud and proud when it comes to offending minority groups. The irony (and what Republicans now see clearly the day after) is, all of these groups, together, make up the majority. Whether the Republican White is comfortable with it or not, they're going to have to figure out a way to woo these voters if they ever want to see office again.
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Nope, the 'right' doesn't have to do anything and I don't care about so called conservatives, which isn't an ideology anyway. Being a conservative means being against power-change which as it is now, means being a statist.

Rather, the leftists are going to destroy themselves by bankrupting their nations. Then it won't even matter what blacks, latinos or women vote cause there will be no money to steal from voting anyway.

Watch Greece, no matter how much the leftists cry, there just isn't money for their government day-care for adults jobs.

You see, things always come full circle. This isn't a new scenario. When pseudo topics like free condoms for sluts become a serious topic, then you know there a much more severe problems at hand than democrat vs republican.

So no, it will be a cold day in hell, before I begin to advocate playing to these stupid groups. They'll succeed themselves to death.
 
eliquid said:
Can I see some examples of how Romney offended EVERYONE but white males?
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I seriously doubt Romney could offend anyone with anything, he was so bland. I think most people just looked past him into the party he was representing.

eliquid said:
I know there was a comment about "binders of women" ( which I don't see offensive in the way he used it ) and I do not see where any offense was given to blacks or asians. As far as mexicans, I have no clue why they are all up in arms in about deporting illegals. If your here illegal then you should get sent home.. thats just national defense. Mexican americans shouldn't get their panties in a wad when their illegal cousin comes here and gets shipped back, he should just do it legit like everyone else has to.
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Are you telling people what they should and shouldn't care about? mmm ok but you're wasting energy and, at the end, they still have that vote
eliquid said:
Im not taking sides, I just facts is all.
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Great but I hope you're not trying to insinuate that 200+ million people voted based on "facts". Hell, over a million people voted neither for Romney nor Obama and just voted for jesus Vote For Jesus 2012: 1.6 Million People Plan To Vote For Jesus | Breaking News for Black America

eliquid said:
Obama has offended a lot of groups himself, but you don't see us up in arms about it.
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I'm sorry, this is so wrong it's comical. Being in a red state I can tell you, Obama offends almost everyone here pretty much by breathing and they're all up in arms (some quite literally). Hell, the Teaparty came about and stayed in power purely as a reaction to Obama's numerous offences.
 
turbolapp said:
I seriously doubt Romney could offend anyone with anything, he was so bland. I think most people just looked past him into the party he was representing.


Are you telling people what they should and shouldn't care about? mmm ok but you're wasting energy and, at the end, they still have that vote

Great but I hope you're not trying to insinuate that 200+ million people voted based on "facts". Hell, over a million people voted neither for Romney nor Obama and just voted for jesus Vote For Jesus 2012: 1.6 Million People Plan To Vote For Jesus | Breaking News for Black America



I'm sorry, this is so wrong it's comical. Being in a red state I can tell you, Obama offends almost everyone here pretty much by breathing and they're all up in arms (some quite literally). Hell, the Teaparty came about and stayed in power purely as a reaction to Obama's numerous offences.
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I think WF messed up the quoting in your post.. but I'll try to comment on it still.

I'm not telling people what to care or not care about, but if you get offended by a remark like "binders full of women" that wasn't offensive in the why he used it, or that illegals should be deported ( because they broke the law ) and you up and vote for the other candidate on that account, then your a worthless vote to begin with to say you voted for the other candidate based on that alone and that it offended you.

That would be like me saying I am not voting for Obama just because he is pro-life. I didn't vote for him based on about 100 other reasons in my "con" list I have for him. Romney wasn't that great either, but at we gave Obama 4 years and he didn't pretty much nothing anyways.

All I am saying is, if you get offended by something as stupid as shipping your illegal cousin back to mexico or because you took a comment the wrong way and you base your voting on that alone, then you shouldn't be allowed to vote honestly. The argument that Romney or Republicans exclude out everyone but white males or only cater to them is just silly.

I think everyone forgets the majority of blacks were Republicans until the Civil Rights movement. Very few of the core beliefs have changed since that time but everyone wants to believe Republicans = rich white males that only take care of other rich white males.
 
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