The Price Of Gas: How It Is Determined

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Here's a reasonably good (and really simple) summary about the things that influence gas prices...

What Determines the Price of Gas: A Visual Guide - Derek Thompson - Business - The Atlantic


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It'll bore most of you to tears. But it's a quick, informative read.

If you stumbled in here by accident, allow me to redirect you: check out ebtek finally using the boobs icon correctly.
 


It looks like its missing the "because we can" section

yeah, check the speculation section, that slice that should be the size of the 'supply and demand' section.

Saudi oil production has fallen, as AEI's Steve Hayward told me. Perhaps the Saudis are pulling back after overstating their reserves, in which case we're in serious trouble. Or perhaps they're accepting higher prices in the short term to spend more money on their people to avoid a Libya-type revolution
How dare they.

supply matters and there's less of it.
No, there's not less of it. There's more. and more. and more.

Libya descended into civil war and its oil production fell by more than 50%
omg our 1% of foreign supply. That explains it.

Oil speculation -- investors betting up the price of oil in the futures market -- is a controversial factor in rising gas prices, and Hayward doesn't believe it's a deciding factor.
lol


Burned by the bust of oil prices in the 2009, it's unlikely that oil speculators are back in the market bidding up the price of crude.
LOL

Imagine that, the AEI defending against the negative effects of derivatives on the working class. Goodness golly gosh.

The problem is that the market for oil is global and U.S. supply is too small to make an impact.
That conclusion does logically follow the premise stated in the preceding sentence and in consideration of the known reserves in the US. Oh wait. No, no it doesn't. Not at all.

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Here's a reasonably good (and really simple) summary about the things that influence gas prices...

What Determines the Price of Gas: A Visual Guide - Derek Thompson - Business - The Atlantic


gas%20graph-thumb-500x341-49102.png



It'll bore most of you to tears. But it's a quick, informative read.

If you stumbled in here by accident, allow me to redirect you: check out ebtek finally using the boobs icon correctly.

this pie chart is bullshit. how can you create a pie chart divided into places, policies, seasons, and economic principles. summer for example, changes supply/demand. speculation is based on what seasons are coming up, what the middle east is up to, weak dollar policy, drilling moratoriums, etc. this pie chart is a joke.
 
Some of you are itchin' for a debate. You won't get it from me. I know better than to waste time going down rabbit holes. ;)

Here was my purpose in posting this thread:

When gas prices surge, a lot of folks immediately point to the oil companies and their "record profits." They have this notion that Big Oil is some all-powerful oligopoly pulling the world's strings as on a marionette, and raking in profits at will.

It doesn't work that way. It's more complex. Oil companies are, of course, a factor. But there are many factors.*

Is the graph overly simplistic? Of course. A full treatment of this topic would deserve a book - maybe several. But the graph presents a bird's-eye view of prices, and reveals there is much more to the puzzle than the all-powerful, unstoppable oligopoly.

The points in the article are good ones (though it's worth filtering Hayward's comments). They deserve attention, if only to stimulate thought that goes beyond, "Those oil companies are making too much money!" or "The U.S. is in Libya/Iraq/etc. to get their oil!"

It's obviously more complex. That's the reason I posted the thread. Not to provide a treatise on the topic. lol


At allco: interesting chart.


* MSTeacher, supply is indeed a factor. To your point, oil reserves continue to increase, which is what I assume you're referring to. But the article is not referring to reserves. It's referring to production (i.e. drilling to produce crude for sale).

This is one of many rabbit holes. I'll sidestep the others.


 
i'm not iching for a debate, but the chart is not interesting at all. it means nothing.

one half of the chart is "supply/demand"

and then most of the other areas are either listings of suppliers, or things that effect demand. therefore, they have no business being in a pie chart together.

and where is chavez? if chavez's supplies went offline, would this not change suppy/demand and speculation? if "us production" is worthy of a slice, venezula is too.

i'm not slamming you bro, but this is a great example of how fucking dumb journalists and MSM is in the USA.

any math, statistics, or science teacher in any middle school would tell you that this is the perfect example of a shit pie chart. or maybe they wouldn't and thats the whole problem with edumecation in america. ask any economist if its true that supply/demand is responsible for 50% of oil prices and "summer" is responsible for another 15% and he will LMAOROFL.
 
Erm.. we get most of our oil from "overseas" aka CANADA.

US used to get lots of natural gas from Canada but needs it no longer. The US is now self-sufficient in natural gas.

North America is close to being self-sufficient in crude oil, due to fracking technology that makes a lot of old oilfields economically viable to exploit again.

I would wager, that in five years or less, the US will be close to self-sufficiency in crude oil. That is to say, Canada will be looking to export our excess crude to China which is why we desperately need that pipeline to Prince Rupert built tout de suite.
 
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the graph presents a bird's-eye view of prices, and reveals there is much more to the puzzle than the all-powerful, unstoppable oligopoly.

the mysteries of your free market mojo confound and elude me


* MSTeacher, supply is indeed a factor. To your point, oil reserves continue to increase, which is what I assume you're referring to. But the article is not referring to reserves. It's referring to production (i.e. drilling to produce crude for sale).
Meh. You say potato, I say the fuckers have been capping wells, downplaying discovered fields, not investing in production, not building refineries, paying quackademics to push peak oil, man made global warming, save the snowy egrets. Reserves, production, whatever. There's more oil on this planet than we know what to do with. Get that shit out of the ground, turn it into gasoline and sell it for cheap and don't lie and tell me there's not enough to go around because that's horseshit.

damn your drive-bys
 
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Meh. You say potato, I say the fuckers have been capping wells, downplaying discovered fields, not investing in production, not building refineries, paying quackademics to push peak oil, man made global warming, save the snowy egrets. Reserves, production, whatever. There's more oil on this planet than we know what to do with. Get that shit out of the ground, turn it into gasoline and sell it for cheap and don't lie and tell me there's not enough to go around because that's horseshit.

damn your drive-bys

We agree on a lot. And disagree on a few things, too. ;)


Drive-by:

This is pretty good for anyone interested...

Gas Prices Fact or Fiction: A Primer on Supply and Demand - Tom Lehman - Mises Daily

It's a "broader" look at gas prices. It would have been great, but there are no pretty, colorful graphs.