The pseudo-survivalist thread

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Lukep suggested in another thread (http://www.wickedfire.com/shooting-...-brics-just-signed-agreement-destroy-usd.html) that survivalist discussions should move to their own thread so I thought I would start it off.

I will first say I am no survivalist, although where and how I live means I could probably survive for quite a while even if the SHTF big time throughout the developed world. Part of that is because I live in a village in a developing country where the baseline lifestyle for villagers is very basic and revolves around self sufficiency for most things. I'll post some comments about that later and how that doesn't mean living like a peasant during normal times but does mean all the basics for surviving are available even if all modern services (e.g. electricity) and supply lines are disrupted.

Mostly I wanted to start the thread to pick up new ideas from survivalists or pseudo-survivalists(?). Actual experiences from people who have lived through unusual times are particular interesting, like FerFal who lived through Argentina's economic collapse (http://www.rapidtrends.com/surving-argentinas-economic-collapse-part-1-3/). Of course we don't need a complete collapse that lasts for years to value the ability to take care of yourself - Katrina anyone? Closer to home for me was the massive flooding of central Thailand including large areas of Bangkok this last year - all that water and not a drop to drink made things a little tense.

I think of it as how to live well and prosper no matter what happens. So ideas and how-to's along those lines are particularly interesting.
 


To start it off I'll just copy and paste a list from that other thread that was posted by Andrew Sherer and annotated by Dresden14. A lot of it is full on survivalist stuff but there are some good ideas for just staying comfortable during shorter term emergencies.

100 Items to Disappear First During an Economic Crises

1. Generators to dam loud, solar bitchez
2. Water Filters/Purifiers boil; if not a shirt + sand + carbon filter?
3. Portable Toilets dig a hole
4. Seasoned Firewood. yep
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks. you planning on making omlets when shit hits the fan? lulz
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid this can easily be made.
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking. agreed, got 5,000gal container for this
14. Mini Heater head (Propane) in an indefinate scenario, propane will last so long
15. Grain Grinder (Non-electric)
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book. agreed! I got medical and survival books.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products. women on their rag will attract bears. Put them out 100 yards, wait for them to come = dinner.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates) agreed. I got 100s of cr123a and 12v; most importantly gotta solar recharging system for these for my night vision optics. Id recommend buying the rechargable ones + solar refill possibilities.
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) magnesium is what i got. If all fails, friction fire sucka
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators no homework when shit hits the fan
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens


A lot of those items are worth discussing. Some only apply to people in rural areas, #100 for example. The issue of urban/suburban/rural is whole other discussion.

Phyical security another - FerFal's story of how he continued to go to work but started packing a gun is pretty interesting. Also FerFal's account of how his gold coins were converted to money during the collapse - didn't go as well as expected but it helped him through.
 
You're overreacting. Your government will save you and have the welfare tit up and running in no time. TRUST ME - I'M A GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT!
 
You're overreacting. Your government will save you and have the welfare tit up and running in no time. TRUST ME - I'M A GOVERNMENT BUREAUCRAT!

To me it's about more than that. It's about living well now with graceful degradation of lifestyle if/when things deteriorate. Doesn't even have to be our own government, although it sure looks like it will be.
 
I'd probably keep a flock of geese to keep outside the house as alarms, and keep the dogs inside.

In a situation like the one he describes, dogs are too valuable to risk someone poisoning/shooting them.

Geese are cheap to keep, and good to eat if needed. An intruder would have trouble killing a flock of 20 of them without waking you up. They make an insane amount of noise.
 
That is a really interesting idea. I've always had dogs and where I live the locals think nothing of poisoning them if they get out and bother their chickens. It's a common tactic of burglars as well. If you can train dogs not to eat food off the ground you stand a chance of poison proofing them but I haven't been successful with that.
 
That is a really interesting idea. I've always had dogs and where I live the locals think nothing of poisoning them if they get out and bother their chickens. It's a common tactic of burglars as well. If you can train dogs not to eat food off the ground you stand a chance of poison proofing them but I haven't been successful with that.

Layered defence :)

I know someone who has trained their dog not to eat food, but it is very hard. Plus, they are a reasonable-sized target to could be shot at easily. And keeping more than 3 or 4 big dogs would be impracticable because of the food they need.
 
Layered defence :)

I know someone who has trained their dog not to eat food, but it is very hard. Plus, they are a reasonable-sized target to could be shot at easily. And keeping more than 3 or 4 big dogs would be impracticable because of the food they need.

Yes, feeding them is an issue if the normal supply becomes unavailable. We have two big German Shepherds so even with only two it is a concern.
 
You can keep chickens almost anywhere. I live in suburban area, and my next door neighbour has a small flock. I'll probably get some next year.

IMO there is far too much emphasis on gun-toting in the survivalist stuff that I see, and not enough on things like growing food or learning medical skills. If you look at countries where stuff has really gone wrong (Africa etc), it's disease and starvation that kills most people, not violence.

(Although I accept that if you are well stocked with food, you become a target.)
 
For hardcore survivalists, the story of the Argentinian guy who lived through that country's financial collapse is very interesting. Read all three parts - there are gems throughout. Some insights near the end of part 3 where he points out what he considers a few common faults of traditional survivalist approaches, including the fortified retreat and how important cash is even as it rapidly devalues.

http://www.rapidtrends.com/surving-argentinas-economic-collapse-part-1-3/
http://www.rapidtrends.com/surving-argentinas-economic-collapse-part-2-3/
http://www.rapidtrends.com/surving-argentinas-economic-collapse-part-3-3/
 
It blows my mind that seemingly intelligent people would waste so much time with this stuff.

If you're camping and a bear attacks, you don't have to outrun the bear you just have to outrun the slowest camper. Or in other words, all this shit is crazy overkill. If you have cash, weapons and basic survival skills you will be 1000x more prepared than the average Joe who is the one that's in trouble.

PRO TIP: cash is king

If by some teeny weeny chance I'm wrong about this is all going to play out, I'll be able to buy anything and everything I want including food, more weapons, protection, etc.
 
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If by some teeny weeny chance I'm wrong about this is all going to play out, I'll be able to buy anything and everything I want including food, more weapons, protection, etc.


at least you'll be set on kindling
 
^^^^ Dude, do you have any clue about what and how long it would take to get from where we are now to something like that? More than enough time for an entrepreneur to come up with many solutions and prepare in the best way fit for what is actually happening. All this "what if" shit is a waste of energy.
 
Here is my plan...

If society collapses I am stealing a sail boat and using a salt to water osmosis filter. While everyone is going crazy I will be sailing and hanging out at abandoned island beaches.

Take that suckers...only problem would be zombie sharks.
 
^^^^ Dude, do you have any clue about what and how long it would take to get from where we are now to something like that? More than enough time for an entrepreneur to come up with many solutions and prepare in the best way fit for what is actually happening. All this "what if" shit is a waste of energy.

It's true that things don't generally go from ho hum to terrible overnight. But the survivalist mindset doesn't just address a huge and somewhat vague societal collapse. It's good practice for local and regional circumstances too, even down to prolonged power outages and things like that. Sure a lot of survivalist practices are worst case scenario but that's the point, hope for the best plan for the worst.

e.g. it is not at all out of the realm of possibility that a bank run and atomic reactor meltdown could happen within days of each other, followed by some level of regional military presence in traffic patterns, resource rationing, and so on. It wouldn't stop the whole country from functioning but if you lived in the region you would have a significant challenge in front of you. You would certainly do well to be planned out and prepared in a situation like that.

edit not to mention all the random what ifs. If - for whatever reason - my car breaks down miles into the woods in the middle of winter, I would be able to live for at least two weeks just from what I have in my car at all times, not to mention using the land. I could set a broken bone, administer stitches, light a fire with a block of ice, trap small animals, etc. I don't think there's any way this can be construed as bad practices.
 
Not a bad practice if you truly enjoy doing that type of thing. But if you're really doing all that stuff to prepare for a SHTF scenario though I would say you're wasting you're time, and you're a paranoid freak.

It's all about balance and diminishing returns. Would you spend 12 solid years training to become a black belt just so you could defend yourself against a potential street thug that may or may not ever target you? That would be overkill, wouldn't you agree? Of course it would. With minimal training you can learn to fight and defend yourself better than 98% of the population, which is all you need. Now THAT would be a good investment.

Do you really carry 2 weeks worth of supplies in the trunk of your cars at all times because you're worried about breaking down and getting stranded somewhere? That is hard core dude. Do you walk around worried you're going to get hit by lightning too? It must suck to be you. :)