They're Both Drowning and You Can Save Only One -- Your Dog or a Stranger?

[rgordon83]

Bullshit to those that say animals don't show emotions or other human characteristics.

As for the question at hand, my dog is an excellent swimmer and would save the stranger.
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You mean you don't have to train a human child to distinguish between right and wrong? You must have some amazing kids.

Sure animals show emotions and human characteristics, but that's because we teach them to and they do it as a response for some reward, not because they want to do good for the sake of doing good.

As far as people teaching their kids, who taught the parents? Depending on your beliefs humans either evolved to have a superior ability to do good, or were given/taught it from God. Either way, humans have a superior ability to do good then do animals (the species as a whole. there are obviously individuals who break the rule.)

Saving your pet over a human is a purely selfish act in every way. You are saving that animal b/c you are connected to it, not because it is the right thing to do. It's likely the animal won't do any real god in the world other than give you (and your family) joy. Another person as the ability to give jobs, give charity, do acts of kindness, raise a family, give birth to their own kids who can do all the aforementioned good things.

 

[rgordon83]

MOD, please delete this duplicate post, thanks

 

[JMan1234]

Sure animals show emotions and human characteristics, but that's because we teach them to and they do it as a response for some reward, not because they want to do good for the sake of doing good.

As far as people teaching their kids, who taught the parents? Depending on your beliefs humans either evolved to have a superior ability to do good, or were given/taught it from God. Either way, humans have a superior ability to do good then do animals (the species as a whole. there are obviously individuals who break the rule.)

Saving your pet over a human is a purely selfish act in every way. You are saving that animal b/c you are connected to it, not because it is the right thing to do. It's likely the animal won't do any real god in the world other than give you (and your family) joy. Another person as the ability to give jobs, give charity, do acts of kindness, raise a family, give birth to their own kids who can do all the aforementioned good things.

Nice post!

 

[DewChugr]

Humans > Dogs

Yet,
Humans have killed millions of animals for fun, amusement, with cars, etc, etc
Humans have killed millions of humans for greed, pleasure, hate
Humans have done unimaginable things to the earth and may destroy it completely
Dogs don't use humans to develop cosmetics, drugs, etc
Dogs don't create millions of tons of trash, pollute the air and water, destroy forests
Humans may have a superior ability to do good, but also a superior ability to do evil
Humans are only superior by our own measures, no other

 

[AngryAffiliate]

I am a Motherfucker

I'd save 'em both

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

 

[Uptime]

Did you take the blue pill or the red one?

WTF. There was a blue pill?

". . . the red pill, where "you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes"

 

[1yerrot]

Wow....Just wow.

Your dog loves and protects you and you are obligated to do the same. Fuck the stranger. They'd more then likely let you die on the spot without a care in the world.

Letting him or her die isn't enough for you, F them too huh?

Wow...

 

[Ar Scion]

I understand what you're trying to say. My point is, you can't completely understand the other side unless you have a dog that you're really close to. Look at my post earlier about giving a stranger 10k for medical treatment. Not sure if you have kids, but if you do, you'll know it's pretty much impossible to explain that connection to someone without kids. You just don't "get it" until you've experienced it personally.

Isn't it just self-delusion though? The dog doesn't really love "you". You could replace yourself with 30 other people and the dog will love them like you never existed.

So are they gonna save it because it loves them, or because they are desperate and lonely for affection and that dog pours it on like a mindless affection machine?

The dog's behavior is nothing more than a drug.

 

[b_sun]

One of my dogs vs a human? No question, dog. Mother fucker should of taken swimming lessons IMO. If the bitch can't swim, she's bound to drizzown.

 

[therookie]

Sure animals show emotions and human characteristics, but that's because we teach them to and they do it as a response for some reward, not because they want to do good for the sake of doing good.

As far as people teaching their kids, who taught the parents? Depending on your beliefs humans either evolved to have a superior ability to do good, or were given/taught it from God. Either way, humans have a superior ability to do good then do animals (the species as a whole. there are obviously individuals who break the rule.)

Saving your pet over a human is a purely selfish act in every way. You are saving that animal b/c you are connected to it, not because it is the right thing to do. It's likely the animal won't do any real god in the world other than give you (and your family) joy. Another person as the ability to give jobs, give charity, do acts of kindness, raise a family, give birth to their own kids who can do all the aforementioned good things.

First, I really don't hope you believe that God shit because then no one should ever take you seriously. If you want to talk about evolving that is exactly what dogs have done for thousands of years. They started as wolves and evolved for different uses for us. This is just one of many interesting articles I pulled up:

Dogs can read emotion in human faces - Telegraph

Dogs are the only animals that can read emotion in faces much like humans, cementing their position as man's best friend, claim scientists.


Research findings suggest that, like an understanding best friend, they can see at a glance if we are happy, sad, pleased or angry...

My take on it is you have never even had a dog or had one that was close to you anyway. There are very few human relationships that are more intimate and closer other then your immediate family, wife, and kids but a good dog who you have raised is one of them.

Isn't it just self-delusion though? The dog doesn't really love "you". You could replace yourself with 30 other people and the dog will love them like you never existed.

That may true with some dogs but not most of them. My dog knows when I am gone. If I am out of town and my GF is watching him he will whine and stair out the window for hours. If I leave him with other people to watch he doesn't even act like himself and is visibly stressed out. I know this just isn't me either.

 

[rgordon83]

First, I really don't hope you believe that God shit because then no one should ever take you seriously. If you want to talk about evolving that is exactly what dogs have done for thousands of years. They started as wolves and evolved for different uses for us. This is just one of many interesting articles I pulled up:

Dogs can read emotion in human faces - Telegraph

When dogs evolve to employ people, give charity, volunteer in hospitals in 3rd world countries, deliver babies, treat people with cancer, and read bedtime stories to young children, get back to me.

And your God comment probably makes people take you less seriously than me. My point was acknowledging all sides (besides Scientology) and the fact that you made a comment about being 100% sure about one side being a joke, when I don't think anyone can be 100% sure about anything in this world (especially things as complex as evolution and theology), shows how shallow of a mind you have.

 

[Pr0xyhub]

When dogs evolve to employ people, give charity, volunteer in hospitals in 3rd world countries, deliver babies, treat people with cancer, and read bedtime stories to young children, get back to me.

And your God comment probably makes people take you less seriously than me. My point was acknowledging all sides (besides Scientology) and the fact that you made a comment about being 100% sure about one side being a joke, when I don't think anyone can be 100% sure about anything in this world (especially things as complex as evolution and theology), shows how shallow of a mind you have.

Dude we get it. We know your opinion. You're not going to convince anyone to change the way they feel. No one is..

 

[rgordon83]

Dude we get it. We know your opinion. You're not going to convince anyone to change the way they feel. No one is..

In that case let's just limit everyone to one post per thread, right?

 

[Pr0xyhub]

In that case let's just limit everyone to one post per thread, right?

Since that's TOTALLY what I'm implying..

Dude we get it. We know your opinion. You're not going to convince anyone to change the way they feel. No one is..

Now give it up.

 

[Soupyone]

From the same people that sling rebills & attempt to sell single moms false hope we shouldn't be surprised.

Human - no hesitation.

 

[Djshorty89]

I guess no one watched that movie Hachi: A Dog's Tale. That dog was loyal as hell.

 

[therookie]

When dogs evolve to employ people, give charity, volunteer in hospitals in 3rd world countries, deliver babies, treat people with cancer, and read bedtime stories to young children, get back to me.

They say that dogs have the intelligence of a toddler. Does that mean since a toddler doesn't know how to do any of the above things yet that they are less then human? Obviously, I know the answer to that question. I also know what you are saying about humans. I never said who I would choose, BTW. I am just saying for a lot of people it isn't a clear cut decision. It is an emotional one like someone mentioned earlier. For me it would be a tough choice and I don't feel like a psychopath admitting that.

And your God comment probably makes people take you less seriously than me. My point was acknowledging all sides (besides Scientology) and the fact that you made a comment about being 100% sure about one side being a joke, when I don't think anyone can be 100% sure about anything in this world (especially things as complex as evolution and theology), shows how shallow of a mind you have.

How so? I don't mind if people believe in God. But, if someone tries to tell me that God is responsible for everything, then yes, I think it is a joke. There are people that deny how long humans have been on earth and that dinosaurs existed because it wasn't in the bible. We evolved to where we are at regardless of how we got on this earth. Shallow mind? I fucking went to Catholic school my entire life and had to hear all kinds of bullshit spewed. I guess that could be what caused my shallow mind.

 

[gutterseo]

Fuck that real ballers get their dogs one of these

So seen as my dog wouldn't have any difficulties I'd save the human, pending the weather conditions of course.

 

[Napolean]

Dog, cat, gerbil, animal gets saved first. Sorry human.

First and most logical reason, unless your a trained professional your advised NOT to save someone from drowning because when someone is drowning they will more than likely take you with them.

Second, animals are cute and innocent. The post way back stating dogs dont love their owners is pure BS, dogs get very depressed when their owners go away.if doggy loved treats and not humans he wouldnt be depressed unless the treats went with the owner too.

Third, legal ramifications. Humans tend to be ungrateful douchebags. If word got out about your daring rescue, a lawyer would be on the phone with the human before he/she has time to dry off, and they will have ten ideas on how to sue your ass into poverty.

Fourth, psychology. Humans live to resent those who help them most. If you want someone talking behind your back slandering you to everyone they know. Save their life. They will get so sick of hearing about how much they owe you from everyone else (even though you dont think they owe you anything), that they will take out their frustrations and insecurities on your character.