Time To Give Up My Extremist Libertarian Ideologies... I've Seen The Light.

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This video made me realize that I've been brainwashed into into dangerous ways of thinking. My views scare people. If I don't turn back now I could up in a mental hospital or prison. I'm posting this here in the hopes that I can cure others suffering from libertarianism beliefs as well, before it's too late.

[ame="www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbNFJK1ZpVg"]Why Libertarianism Is So Dangerous - YouTube[/ame]

I just never really thought about the possible worst-case scenario of what could happen in my utopian fantasy of a world where good people are free to work, live, prosper and just be left alone.

Now I know exactly why we need Government, and if you have a few minutes to watch this I hope you'll come to your senses too.
 


I actually negative repped you for this video, it's so bad.

It's so full of BS from a "libertarian" standpoint. I don't believe he was ever an actual lib
 
its ironic how most aff marketers here are anti-gov't when we are prime examples of market failings/cost to society. Admit it, we peddle shit to stupid people, and it causes damage, and the market isn't doing shit to "Correct" us because thats not what the market does effectively.
 
blureach said:
I actually negative repped you for this video, it's so bad.

It's so full of BS from a "libertarian" standpoint. I don't believe he was ever an actual lib
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ptpatil said:
its ironic how most aff marketers here are anti-gov't when we are prime examples of market failings/cost to society. Admit it, we peddle shit to stupid people, and it causes damage, and the market isn't doing shit to "Correct" us because thats not what the market does effectively.
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Are you trying to argue that connecting customers with producers has no value?

If someone buys something, it had value to him at the moment of purchase. If you would have read some books on the topic, you would know that. You can find some free ones here: Literature Library: free books from the Ludwig von Mises Institute
 
hehejo said:
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Are you trying to argue that connecting customers with producers has no value?

If someone buys something, it had value to him at the moment of purchase. If you would have read some books on the topic, you would know that. You can find some free ones here: Literature Library: free books from the Ludwig von Mises Institute
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If the producer is producing acai berry trials at 79.95 a month rebill in fine print then no, that is called promising value and delivering nothing.
 
SHGDigitalMedia said:
Markets in the long run are correcting and efficent, in the short term they tend to be driven by emotions
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No one ever specifies what they correct to and if everything is priced. For example the cost of externalities for fossil fuels is humongous, but in the 100 years we have used them, we have not priced those externalities in. It is not a small externality either, it is many times the paid cost and the "market" hasn't done shit to price it in because the economic actors that experience the end result of the long chain of externalities have no idea who to charge and no market power to leverage those charges they are owed.
 
ptpatil said:
its ironic how most aff marketers here are anti-gov't when we are prime examples of market failings/cost to society. Admit it, we peddle shit to stupid people, and it causes damage, and the market isn't doing shit to "Correct" us because thats not what the market does effectively.
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Actually long before the Government got involved "the market" had already started to correct. Visa/Mastercard/Merchant banks started shutting down these offers. They required clear terms, etc... why? Because their customers were bitching, chargebacks were through the roof, and people made very nasty calls to their banks. By the time the Government got around to passing a law the market had already corrected the problem.

All the government did was sue the "bad guys," stuff the money into their coffers and release a press statement bragging about all the good work they did for "the people."
 
ptpatil said:
No one ever specifies what they correct to and if everything is priced. For example the cost of externalities for fossil fuels is humongous, but in the 100 years we have used them, we have not priced those externalities in. It is not a small externality either, it is many times the paid cost and the "market" hasn't done shit to price it in because the economic actors that experience the end result of the long chain of externalities have no idea who to charge and no market power to leverage those charges they are owed.
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Don't worry government has your best interests at heart and will fix this problem with their god like powers and bureaucracy.

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cheshire said:
Actually long before the Government got involved "the market" had already started to correct. Visa/Mastercard/Merchant banks started shutting down these offers. They required clear terms, etc... why? Because their customers were bitching, chargebacks were through the roof, and people made very nasty calls to their banks. By the time the Government got around to passing a law the market had already corrected the problem.

All the government did was sue the "bad guys," stuff the money into their coffers and release a press statement bragging about all the good work they did for "the people."
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Not sure if you still follow the industry, but there are hundreds of millions of dollars still flowing in free trial continuity offers selling garbage products.

At the end of the day Visa/MC are as greedy as we are.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
Not sure if you still follow the industry, but there are hundreds of millions of dollars still flowing in free trial continuity offers selling garbage products.

At the end of the day Visa/MC are as greedy as we are.
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Yes but the requirements have increased. Visa/MC and merchant banks all want clear terms. Continuity was never the problem, the problem was that the terms weren't clearly labeled. People were shocked when their bank accounts were over drafted for $180 in charges in a single month. Sure they want the money but they also don't want a 50%+ charge back rate.
 
Several of you are acting like idiots here.

What he's explaining - violent people eventually protecting you, occasionally giving you a bridge - that's government. Information control, public schooling, it's all here.

Did anyone here watch past the first 5 minutes? It becomes really clearly satire. At the end he even says "Wait a minute...awwww, shit" solidifying that point.
 
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ptpatil said:
its ironic how most aff marketers here are anti-gov't when we are prime examples of market failings/cost to society. Admit it, we peddle shit to stupid people, and it causes damage, and the market isn't doing shit to "Correct" us because thats not what the market does effectively.
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Please stop posting.
 
Good video.

To summarize:
Anarchy might result in chaos which could lead to violent gangs controlling all of us, giving us what we have now. So we need to maintain the inevitable worst-case scenario in which we currently operate, because we might end up back in the same position.
 
cheshire said:
Yes but the requirements have increased. Visa/MC and merchant banks all want clear terms. Continuity was never the problem, the problem was that the terms weren't clearly labeled. People were shocked when their bank accounts were over drafted for $180 in charges in a single month. Sure they want the money but they also don't want a 50%+ charge back rate.
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The requirements were always to clearly list terms w/ a checkbox. Advertisers still aren't following the rules and still rebilling $90/mo for green coffee.
 
guerilla said:
Please stop posting.
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You're probably thinking that I'm some kind of hippie that blindly trusts government. I am not, I am saying the market is the best solution to distribution of goods possible, but that differentiating the government and the market is a false dichotomy, the government is PART of the market. It's unique ability to force pricing is a useful tool in how we control markets and reduce the downsides to the market distribution method of scarce resources we currently have.

We KNOW that affiliate rebills are unfairly priced and the market is not correcting, we should incur a higher cost of business for that product in order to correct for externalities and enforce fair pricing to something that we obviously value but the market forces are failing to reflect.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
The requirements were always to clearly list terms w/ a checkbox. Advertisers still aren't following the rules and still rebilling $90/mo for green coffee.
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Maybe we didn't promote the same offers, some were downright SHADY with no check boxes. I'd say 80% of them stuffed the terms in 4pt font at the bottom of the page.
 
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