To Libertarians: a proposition

[BigWill]

To be honest. I think the OP is on the wrong track. How about challenging the libertarians to start non profits - that make... profits.

There are so many ways for non profits to profit, pay dividends to investors etc. In fact it can be a tactic in your overall tax shelter strategy.

The possibilities are endless and it can prove that even serving the roles as a "point of light" does not have to burden the surrounding society.

This is really a largely untapped business opportunity if you think of it properly. Not all the opportunities within the niche are strictly libertarian in its purist form - but still it is a great step in the right direction.

And Yes, I have already started one, and yes it will benefit others, but it is going to benefit me as well.

Most non profits do make profits. the CEO's sometimes get million dollar salaries. Why do you think many run commercials on TV soliciting money? Lots of non profits end up paying say 50% in salary and give 50% away.

You think they did that shit for free? lol

http://www.charitynavigator.org/__asset__/studies/2010_CEO_Compensation_Study_Revised_Final.pdf

 

[REIMktg]

To be honest. I think the OP is on the wrong track. How about challenging the libertarians to start non profits - that make... profits.

There are so many ways for non profits to profit, pay dividends to investors etc. In fact it can be a tactic in your overall tax shelter strategy.

The possibilities are endless and it can prove that even serving the roles as a "point of light" does not have to burden the surrounding society.

This is really a largely untapped business opportunity if you think of it properly. Not all the opportunities within the niche are strictly libertarian in its purist form - but still it is a great step in the right direction.

And Yes, I have already started one, and yes it will benefit others, but it is going to benefit me as well.

Most non profits do make profits. the CEO's sometimes get million dollar salaries. Why do you think many run commercials on TV soliciting money? Lots of non profits end up paying say 50% in salary and give 50% away.

You think they did that shit for free? lol

http://www.charitynavigator.org/__asset__/studies/2010_CEO_Compensation_Study_Revised_Final.pdf

1. Not certain where you are coming from, but mine was a serious post about showing that an organization that serves the same function as a charity can do so, make a profit, and not rely on outright charity. Maybe still rely on the subsidy of tax deductible contributions but even that is not necessary. In fact the charity/non profit can completely survive without donations except for the type that is more motivated by the donors self interest than their desire to give to charity.

2. Yes, the heads of these organizations can make a large paycheck. I mentioned I have a non-profit in my previous post. An NPO can be a very strategic corporate partner between your various business enterprises, especially in today's political environment/culture, if you know how to use it. It can even give you a competitive advantage.

The challenge from the OP then is for a libertarian to set up a self sustaining organization that benefits society without utilizing outright donations. It's very easy really and we could set up several just to prove a point.

 

[DocApocalypto]

The challenge from the OP then is for a libertarian to set up a self sustaining organization that benefits society without utilizing outright donations.

why doesn't running a business, employing people, and spending money in your community count?

i'm glad henry ford, the wright bros, steve jobs et al didn't spend all their time hanging out in soup kitchens.

...and yes i realize promoting electronic cigarettes and flesh lights is not the same as inventing something like these guys. but if government is so charitable, any big money maker is going to have their wealth taken when they die by estate taxes. so since government is so good at taking care of people in the eyes of liberals and canadians, PURSUE SELF INTEREST MORE you lazy capitalists, you got people to take care of.

 

[Pseudo Nym]

To be honest. I think the OP is on the wrong track. How about challenging the libertarians to start non profits - that make... profits.

There are so many ways for non profits to profit, pay dividends to investors etc. In fact it can be a tactic in your overall tax shelter strategy.

The possibilities are endless and it can prove that even serving the roles as a "point of light" does not have to burden the surrounding society.

This is really a largely untapped business opportunity if you think of it properly. Not all the opportunities within the niche are strictly libertarian in its purist form - but still it is a great step in the right direction.

And Yes, I have already started one, and yes it will benefit others, but it is going to benefit me as well.

This is exactly the kind of discussion I was hoping to spur with this thread.

 

[guerilla]

why doesn't running a business, employing people, and spending money in your community count?

Because to people of a socialist persuasion, business and private enterprise is evil.

 

[REIMktg]

Originally Posted by DocApocalypto
why doesn't running a business, employing people, and spending money in your community count?

Because to people of a socialist persuasion, business and private enterprise is evil.

My assumption is, that is not aimed at my views.

The fact is that employing people and spending money in the community does count.

But....

This is exactly the kind of discussion I was hoping to spur with this thread.

I was attempting to answer the OP by stating that what passes for charity can be set up and pursued by a businessperson that wishes to do so. Employing people does count just as those employers would support things they have a "heart" for, just as they do now and likely would do more if not forced to "give at the office" through taxes etc.

It's not really my passion but the truth is any number of us could start a few self sustaining charities that could go on into perpetuity serving the community not just through employing others but through pouring profits back into the community. The problem is that most of us would rather put our efforts into our for profit businesses in which we enjoy and have a passion for.

I though, as maybe some others here are, perfectly willing to guide and direct some more liberal person that wants to make a career of helping others. There are several blueprints they can follow that can become a self sustaining non-profit that benefits the community with some sort of charitable mission. This would be nothing more than a business that uses its non-profit status to its advantage not in soliciting donations unless those donations were driven by the greed and self interest of the donor (the tax benefit is not enough to meet this criteria).

The question is, which of you are willing to put a plan into action? Which of you want to create a non-profit of this sort? Who is out there that is both energetic enough to create something from nothing and then build it into a charitable organization where they will be sharing profits? I assure you, you can take a large paycheck once things are solidified, but not until then. Who wants to do that?

I bet no one steps up. Why should they? I could write here that they would step up because they have a passion for the community and a passion for helping others and a passion for blah blah blah..... but really that would be throwing a softball in order to manipulate someone to step up. In reality the person that steps up is likely to be someone that has not put their mind to the task and simply would rather follow a path laid by another than create a path for themselves. There is nothing wrong with this, its simply a choice for them.

Any takers?

How about any of you more important people than me? You know who you are, you are the ones with 1/1000th of the problems that I have, you are the ones that are making good money right now and have money to spare and do not need $12K a month to survive, and if you do, you are not struggling to make it like I am.

We could easily start a few of these organizations and let others that want to follow put everything into action. But what is our motivation? Is it worth our time to simply "make a point" that charities do not have to be "takers" or "looters" but can be self sustaining and even profitable?