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Ive been looking at that list for awhile. If you know anything about mma you know most of those fighters just plain suck. lets go through that list starting with the bottom.


tony fryklund - who? 14-9. cannon fodder.
chris leban - decent stand up fighter. hardly on silvas level.
rich franklin - this is guy is definition of chuck liddell era. no real fighting talent, just train and go out there and throw blows and maybe some kicks.

travis lutter - never seen the guy fight, hes 10-6. cannon fodder.

nate marquardt - like this guy, he had potential, but still inexperienced and not even on the same level as silva. cannon fodder. and he got busted recently for enhancement drugs or something? the only real thing he had going for him was he was a big middleweight.

dan henderson - silvas probably only real equally talented fighter, but dan henderson is always hit or miss. all he does is stand up and throw blows. chuck liddell era kinda guy.

james irvin - cannon fodder, 15-9.

Patrick Côté - never seen seen him fight. 14-7.

Thales Leites - pretty good, but not anywhere close to anderson silva.

forrest griffin - chuck liddell era. aka all i know how to do is throw haymakers and leg kicks.

demian maia - good ground game. thats about it. 1 dimensional fighter.

Chael Sonnen - good wrestler, but was busted for using performance enhancing drugs after their fight so honestly his showing means jack shit. not to mention i thought silva was toying with him the whole time then waited till the last round to submit him.

Vitor Belfort - great boxer and stand up, but the silva fight says it all. not even on silvas level.

Yushin Okami - scraping the bottom of the barrel here. He had a previous fight with silva in which okami won disqualification. so they used that story line to hype up the fight. The guy was beat by sonnen who was beat by silva so that doesn't help much. And okami fought 3 meh fighters to get that title shot. 2 of which went to decision. The only reason he got a title fight was because of what happened earlier between them. Not even on the same level as silva.

They are running out of cannon fodder to throw at silva.

Im not saying all these fighters are crap and don't deserve to be in the ufc. I'm just saying most of these guys have no real natural talent like anderson silva does. These guys basically got in ufc during the chuck era when it was all about throwing punches and trying to knock each others heads off. Thats why chuck bombed so bad at the end of his career. that era of fighter is done and getting beat down so bad now. But UFC hangs on to these guys because they are branded and everyone knows them. If you don't think thats true then why is silva tossing these fighters around like they are nothing. Nobody is on his level because nobody wants to admit that their training and fighting styles are trash when compared to well rounded fighters like silva.
 


IMO gsp is #1 p4p. Sure he doesn't finish but he doesn't even give his opponents a chance at doing anything to him. But come 137, he will get KTFO. DON'T BE SCARED HOMIE
 
erifdekciw is dropping some serious knowledge in this thread.

If you've been an MMA fan for over a decade, you can see that the UFC MW division is just not on the same level as Anderson Silva....period I feel the same way about the 170 division with GSP, and honestly the 205 division seems to be going the same way with Jones at the top for years to come.

I love mma and the ufc, but it seems like a lot of their weight divisions just get to a point where there is literally one or two dominant dudes, and the rest are just "average". When I say "average" describing top ten ufc fighters, I am saying they are AMAZING fighters, but not amazing enough to stand a chance against some of these "talented mutants" for lack of a better word lol.

Who do you guys honestly see beating Jon jones in the next 2 years? I could give you Rampage in the sense that he ALWAYS has a shot, but I think he is in for a surprise. Rashad would give jones issues, but I still see him beating Rashad at the end of just about everytime they fight. Personally, I'd like to see Machida get a crack at Jones...awesome fight stylistically.

Now look at 170. Who do you guys honestly see GSP losing to in the next 2 years? AT 170? Diaz deserves the shot more than anyone at 170, and diaz is an animal, but do any of you plan to actually put money on diaz? would you put a large sum of money on diaz to walk away with the win? imo he is just simply not good enough for gsp, but better than 90% of other 170 pounders out there. so if he loses to gsp, then what? who even presents a slight challenge to gsp at that weight?

I feel like Anderson should fight at 205 and GSP should move up to 185, at least to get some excitement back into things if nothing else. Before they do that though, GSP and Silva should fight at 185ish/catchweight. Now THAT would be a challenge for both fighters and a treat for all MMA fans.

i've gotta disagree with you on the chael sonnen remarks though. i think the guy is a douche and im sure the drugs played a role in his performance. but this dude is an olympic wrestler that can take down ANYONE. he has a level of wrestling that the majority of mma fighters will never attain. dude puts people on their backs and controls them. controlling people like he does wins fights/decisions period. it is boring, but control is underrated by alot of fans i think. the dude controls his fights like no other. if they rematch, i would not count sonnen out, but i'd probably not put money on him either. i wouldn't expect a silva "playdate" type fight like we have been seeing lately, thats for sure.
 
Jsher and erif... WTF you guys trying to say?

You're trying to explain how the records on silva and a couple others aren't very good because the guys they are competing with just aren't in their
league skill wise. Umm, ya that's kinda how it works. When you get a bad motherfucker, a real champion, they straight dominate their weightclass until
they are old and out of their prime. Just look as boxing. You have guys like Mayweather and Pacquiao and watching them it looks like they are just
getting fed "cannon fodder", but the fact is, they are simply a level above everyone else. The champions of their time. And that's how its always
worked with boxing too is when a true champ shows up, he straight dominates like he has no competition until he gets old and out of his prime. Hell Pacquiao has world titles from 112 all the way to 154, no one gives him a match...

So I mean ya these guys going up against silva might look like "cannon fodder", but that is because he is so good and at a level above the rest.

I would agree with Jsher though, Chael wiped the floor with Silva. It was a weird fight though, Silva didn't look like himself. Maybe he actually was hurt like he said. Seemed to me Silva had the opening for arm bars and triangles the whole fight as Chael was just leaving his arms out. And Silva was way too easy to take down, or maybe chael is just that good.
 
My point is that ufc fighters are good fighters, but they are far from the best in the world. most of the guys fighting out of america are so slow to adapt to better well rounded fighters. they go in the cage with 1 or 2 main assets and act like they don't need to learn anything else.

That's why brazilians are kicking ass right now because they are very well rounded fighters who know what to expect when they go up against your traditional forrest griffen or rich franklin.

To be bluntly honest I think 20-30 years from now if ufc is still around I think a lot of people are gonna look back and laugh at the fighters we have now (except for the good ones who take this shit seriously). When I see most of these guys fight you can tell that they really have no business fighting professionally. Most of these cage fighters are the asshole type people in life who go to the gym lift weights and think they can kick every ones ass once they learn a few moves. They like to think they can fight, but all they know are moves they have been taught. A person like silva knows that there is more to fighting than just becoming a black belt in bjj or being some amazing wrestler. All the shit you learn doesn't mean jack shit if you don't know when and how to use what you know.

The truth of the matter is. Most cage fighters today are idiots and I don't mean they are retards. I'm saying most fighters don't have combat smarts. It's just like this industry we work in. Some people really kick ass in it and some people just weren't cut out for it. I'd say 90% of cage fighters right now simply don't have any real talent. They are meat heads who know the technique, but lack the smarts to use that information they have correctly.

It's gonna take along time to weed out the garbage. Anderson silva and gsp may never fight anyone on their level. It all depends if the UFC can come across real talent and a fighter who really wants it.
 
looking at spider's record..

the only 2 fighters spider fought that were "championship quality" at the date of fights: dan henderson & rich franklin (had the title at the time).

spider is an excellent fighter in a very weak division.
this is isn't his fault; its management (dana et all).

spider & the ufc doesn't care. they are making plenty of money.
 
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