What is a "list" worth?

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I have one site that gets about 6K/mo highly niche-targeted traffic. It's an ecommerce site and until now i haven't been trying to get email addresses and names from visitors.

i am now ready to offer a chance at a good ($150 retail) raffle prize to get sign ups..

But, i am not sure about:

  1. what to do with the signups? i don't have a way of monetizing them myself right now.
  2. how valuable is a list and what do i need to do to make money from it
  3. are there any legal things to get in place (at sign up or on the site, like in the privacy policy area)
  4. what data do i need to collect (minimally)? in this case, i will be shipping a physical product to the winner, so i can legit ask for a delivery address.

Thanks,
 


If clickbank assholes have taught me anything, lists are good for sending bs e-mails directing you to clickbank make money products.

pro tip, make it sound like there's a scarcity ;)
 
I have one site that gets about 6K/mo highly niche-targeted traffic. It's an ecommerce site and until now i haven't been trying to get email addresses and names from visitors.

i am now ready to offer a chance at a good ($150 retail) raffle prize to get sign ups..

But, i am not sure about:

  1. what to do with the signups? i don't have a way of monetizing them myself right now.
  2. how valuable is a list and what do i need to do to make money from it
  3. are there any legal things to get in place (at sign up or on the site, like in the privacy policy area)
  4. what data do i need to collect (minimally)? in this case, i will be shipping a physical product to the winner, so i can legit ask for a delivery address.
Thanks,


What is a "list" worth? Hmmm................let's see.............

That really depends on the "quality" and "activity" of the list.

By quality I mean having REAL information vs. the BS that most people put into opt-ins.


By activity I mean how often do people on the list "TAKE ACTION". They do not have to buy something to be active or take action. If you send a message to your list by email, RSS feed, or even Snail Mail and they take a desired action based on those contacts it would be considered activity.


Lists with BS info or no activity are pretty much worthless.



Getting a quality list that is active can be worth more than you can even begin to imagine at this point in your list building endeavors.



You say that you would be unable to do anything money wise at this time with your list. Well here's something to think about until you figure something out, if you can build a list of at least a 1,000 ACTIVE and quality contacts with detailed info (As in demographics and buying habits.) you could join an affiliate network and send offers to that list. Or you could find products or services that would appeal to your list and then do a Joint Venture with the owners of those products or services.



Now, here's the part that isn't talked about too much on the list building subject. (It is always hit on VERY briefly.) YOU ABSOLUTLEY MUST STAY IN TOUCH WITH THAT LIST and offer something of VALUE to them in your contacts. Even if it is just a once a month contact with something like DISCOUNTS on your newest product offering or telling them about a new site you setup that would have info of interest to them to get them to CLICK AND TAKE ACTION.


You want them to get USE TO OPENING your emails and finding something USEFUL and of benefit to "THEM".



You really have to CULTIVATE a good relationship with your list and you MUST weed out those contacts that take no action over a period of time while constantly continuing to build it.



You need to keep a list for each individual product or offer that you promote. Then you need to keep cross referencing them against each other to see who is on multiple lists of yours. These people will be your most active and likely to BUY or TAKE ACTION when you contact them.



As far as the legal stuff, just get an Aweber or iContact account. That should cover most of what could cause you some headaches.


About information to collect, your imagination is the limit of what you can ask for. You can setup a "What of these things interest you the most?" "What of these things have you purchased in the last year?" "What of these things are you looking to purchase in the next year?" "What of these things would you like to learn about?" etc. etc......


Gear the questions to help you find out WHO on the list would be interested in products or offers that you are or will be promoting. So, you need to do some research and planning prior to setting it up.

Back in the mid 80's I was an Insurance Agent. I setup a booth at a business fair in our hometown with an associate. We offered a $100.00 Publix Grocery gift certificate giveaway. In three days we had over 3,000 entries and over 80% of them filled out EVERY SINGLE line of a 45 line entry form!!! We were astounded!!! Needless to say, we turned that $100 into WELL over 5 figures worth sales over the next 3 months and from then on we did one those giveaways twice a year.

Something we did to help with that 80% so that we eventually got to around 94% completion was to put a DISCLAIMER at the bottom of the form telling the entrants that ONLY "FULLY" completed entries would qualify for being entered into the drawing.


For your giveaway, just be sure to keep RECORDS of the prize and PROOF that someone received it. For anything else that you may be concerned about, CONTACT A BUSINESS ATTORNEY!!!





The bottom line is that lists can be great if done correctly. It does take TIME and EFFORT to build and MAINTAIN a good & profitable list. Don't listen to these IDIOTS who say, "Just collect emails and then BLAST THE LIST for TONS of $$$!!"



I'll say it again, it will take TIME AND EFFORT (Sounds like WORK doesn't it? Lulz)


But, your list is "YOURS"!! No one can take it away from you. Google and other SE's can't sandbox it or change your ranking so that those people can't see or find your site/sites.


A List can be instant traffic to your new site or offer if you develop a good relationship with your list and learn how to NOT use cheesy subject lines.



It can be "Cash On Demand". It will take work though and you will have to learn as much as you can about list building and relationship development.



I wish you well in your endeavors.
 
+ rep on that detailed reply.

A lot to chew on there. Thanks for taking the time.


Any particularly succinct and value-added links you can suggest here?

Go here first and see what Direct Response Marketing is and how it is different than Direct Marketing.

Direct-response marketing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then use Google to weed out the CRAP sites and find useful ones. I personally have no sites for this that I go to. I have been doing Direct Response Marketing since 1986, so like Yoda.......my own council shall I seek on this subject. Lulz

I started out as a Direct Marketer selling Kirby and Rainbow Vac's door to door. I even had D.D.S. after my name on my business cards. (Not Doctor of Dental Science, but DOOR to DOOR SALESMAN!! LOL)

Here's a video I found in like 20 seconds that may be of "some" use to you since he too sells physical products.

YouTube - List building Secret Revealed
 
Just figured that I might as well post up a "little" excerpt from my PM with the OP that may help give some ideas to others looking to do a giveaway.


Excerpt:


"I would not want to make giveaway entrants wait for more than 30 days to find out whether they won or not. This will breed complacency in your list of entrants. If you take a long time to act so will they.



Online 30 days seems like forever. Whatever time frame you do decide on, make certain that you promptly make the drawing, announcement, and presentation of the prize.



Try to get the winner to post up a comment on one of your sites talking about how unexpected but appreciated this experience was for them. (In their own words of course.)



Send out a notification to EVERYONE that entered, not just the winner. Tell the ones that did not win that you appreciate their participation and hopefully they will have better luck in your NEXT Giveaway.



You may be thinking, "Why would I want the same people to sign up again? I already have their information." Well, list building is about relationship building and getting those on the list to TAKE ACTION of some sort in response to contact from you.



Now without knowing what products you are offering or your niche, it's hard to really suggest specific things to ask for on the sign up form.


I did notice that you are offering a product that YOU are not selling. This can be OK, like what I did with the $100 grocery gift certificate, but if you are going to start offering a NEW product on your site you may want to seriously think about giving one of those away.



Here's why:

1.) You will get at least ONE real TESTIMONIAL for your new product. (From the winner.)


2.) Since people signed up to try and get a FREE one, you know that they are at least a little interested in it or they would not have taken the time to fill out the entry.


3.) Those that entered but did not win should be the first people you market to now. Offer them a REAL discount on the product as a consolation to not winning.


Along the lines of:


"Hi, I'm sending this to inform you that another entrant won the giveaway of _______, but since you did take the time to enter and are interested in ______________ I will offer a _______% or $_____ discount on your purchase of ____________. Click on _______.com to see what the winner has to say about the product and to purchase one of your own at a DISCOUNT."


You get the idea."












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See ya!!!