What's the point of marriage?
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Many people say that humans maximize their happiness within the limitation of their income.
income-> happiness
What's more likely is humans maximize their reproductive success within the limit of their power.
power -> reproductive success
Now, united states is democratic. Everyone has the same voting power. So what gets redistributed more equally first? Money? No. We know that income inequality is great in US. What?
Reproductive success.
democracy -> monogamy
And that's not all. The rich guys can still get prettier women by you know marrying. So to "even out" the field, marriage is set in such a way that it gives men absolutely no right for sex.
Again, the only way to politically correctly get women in western civilization is by wooing them. Something that everyone is almost able to do roughly equally. You can't pay her. Marrying her don't give you an edge.
You can marry her and she has as much financial incentive to bear your child as the milk man's child.
That's what I call equal opportunity. And that's what democracy truly leads.
income-> happiness
What's more likely is humans maximize their reproductive success within the limit of their power.
power -> reproductive success
Now, united states is democratic. Everyone has the same voting power. So what gets redistributed more equally first? Money? No. We know that income inequality is great in US. What?
Reproductive success.
democracy -> monogamy
And that's not all. The rich guys can still get prettier women by you know marrying. So to "even out" the field, marriage is set in such a way that it gives men absolutely no right for sex.
Again, the only way to politically correctly get women in western civilization is by wooing them. Something that everyone is almost able to do roughly equally. You can't pay her. Marrying her don't give you an edge.
You can marry her and she has as much financial incentive to bear your child as the milk man's child.
That's what I call equal opportunity. And that's what democracy truly leads.
teguh what the fuck are you talking about? unfortunately for you and every theorist here reality is far too complex to be encapsulated within your statements and every situation and human interaction is different/unique
but maybe not for american zombie-robots that are conditioned by hollywood and mass media to follow fixed patterns of behavior...
but maybe not for american zombie-robots that are conditioned by hollywood and mass media to follow fixed patterns of behavior...
to keep crazy digital gays like us away from too much digital, struggles, etc... the home unit, good routines, clean undies (and house).. women are more conniving than man (usually) - can pick up characters nuances .. guys just cant read well.. all in all night & day.. just gotta send them love once in a while.. just like your lady partner needs to do the same. Never trade it for the word.. and no im not fully sprung, just respect and love the person that is my my other half (17yrs, 3 kids).. wouldn't trade it for the world.
What I am trying to say is that marriage has a purpose. That is to serve the interests of whoever make marriage rules.
In democratic countries, the purpose is to females in equal share for voters.
For marriage to serve that function, marriage must be financially devastating to men most capable to support and attract women.
And that's why alimony is expensive. That's why some countries like Australia pretty much force people to get married by declaring them married when they merely want to live together. That's why prostitution is illegal.
Basically, rich men get many girls -> illegal, politically incorrect
In democratic countries, the purpose is to females in equal share for voters.
For marriage to serve that function, marriage must be financially devastating to men most capable to support and attract women.
And that's why alimony is expensive. That's why some countries like Australia pretty much force people to get married by declaring them married when they merely want to live together. That's why prostitution is illegal.
Basically, rich men get many girls -> illegal, politically incorrect
You sir, are a genius. But I don't think that they have milk men in America any more...
My wife and I married so that I could work in her country. We met here and later moved to Denmark. We never planned to marry but decided to so I could stay there. We ended up only staying 3 yrs before moving back. That was 20 yrs ago this June and we're still together.
I've been with my SO for almost five years and still haven't proposed. I know it's important to her, but I really insist on being financially ready before tying the "knot."
But to answer your question, I'd say marriage is mostly about companionship. Someone to share the bills with, someone to share inside jokes with, someone to pick you up when you're down.
I personally see no real point in getting married, as I already share these things with my SO, but I know a fairy tale wedding is very important to her.
But to answer your question, I'd say marriage is mostly about companionship. Someone to share the bills with, someone to share inside jokes with, someone to pick you up when you're down.
I personally see no real point in getting married, as I already share these things with my SO, but I know a fairy tale wedding is very important to her.
agreed. another way of saying it is, it's mostly for the emotional security of the offspring, to create a secure environment for the upbringing of children. any other reasons, you can achieve, obtain, and enjoy without getting married.
ex:
1.partnership?: you don't need marriage in order to live with someone you can trust/love. you really don't.
2.spawning children?: heck, any mammal can spawn children.
it's what happnes after that. for us humans, for some reason it takes us years biologically to become mature and self sufficient (compared to other mammals, etc).3. ETC, ETC, ETC. all of the other reasons mentioned, you really don't NEED marriage in order to obtain or enjoy.
You don't need marriage to have offspring.
In contrary, you can have a bountiful marriage w/o offspring.
Can you imagine if women lacked the ability to have kids? Men would treat them like steak. Delicious, but with a limited shelf-life.
Men can obtain sex, female companionship, great meals, and maid services from countless sources. That's why, when women become high-maintenance, their men seek other options. Outside the ability to have kids, a woman's long-term value proposition isn't that compelling.
Men can obtain sex, female companionship, great meals, and maid services from countless sources. That's why, when women become high-maintenance, their men seek other options. Outside the ability to have kids, a woman's long-term value proposition isn't that compelling.
geesh, so you're saying then that women's value is only to have kids?
maybe in the not so distant past, I'd agree with ya. but times have changed and continues to do so. money = power in this world we live in, and more and more women have obtained that via a lucrative career, bizness ownership, etc. they can, and often do, enjoy those same expressions of power you've mentioned and will call the shots.
geesh, so you're saying then that women's value is only to have kids?
maybe in the not so distant past, I'd agree with ya. but times have changed and continues to do so. money = power in this world we live in, and more and more women have obtained that via a lucrative career, bizness ownership, etc. they can, and often do, enjoy those same expressions of power you've mentioned and will call the shots.
Nah, that's not what I'm saying. What I meant is that marriage, like everything else, is just a transaction. Both parties get something they want. It's like buying an apple, a car, or a laptop. You give something and you get something.
The problem is, marriage is usually very long-term. It comes with an ongoing opportunity cost. Both parties sacrifice things (freedom, money, other opportunities) to keep the marriage going. But what men get out of the deal from their ongoing sacrifice (sex, female companionship, great meals, and maid services) isn't compelling since they can easily get those things without being married.
It's like paying $100 for a slice of pizza and sitting down next to Round Table to eat it.
