What's your end game?

GimpSpack said:
Great thread...

I've had limited experience in the affiliate space. I still work a day job, so my "end game" is when I no longer rely on somebody else's idea to give me income. I guess that applies to affiliate income as well.

From this point forward, I'd like to create products. I'd also like to develop a good eye for developing markets with little established competition instead of fighting tooth-and-nail in some cyber rat race.

Once I'm stacking serious dough, I'd like to invest my time and energy in a few different things.

Day trading, consulting, self-education (philosophy, economics, languages, psychology, etc...) the music game (I've been producing hip-hop music since a teen).

At the very least, I really just want financial stability and freedom. I'm a minimalist, so "balling out of control" isn't something that appeals to me. Traveling and gaining life experience does, though. Also, I'd like to accumulate enough resources to ride-out the economic disasters that will occur within the next 5-10 years.

Once the dollar crashes, what are y'all gonna do?
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I would also consider myself somewhat of a minimalist, as I see the value in not owning a bunch of material bullshit that just ties your ass down... I like expensive vehicles, but what are they really? A large piece of metal on 4 pieces of rubber. A house? A big box you live in. It's all just physical shit that doesn't mean anything. There are many more things in life much more valuable in my opinion.

However I don't think "balling out of control" and minimalism have anything to do with each other. There's no reason why you can't ball out of control and be a minimalist at the same time... it all comes down to your dollar return on the time invested working.

Why would I not want to make the highest dollar return on my time spent working, regardless if I want to buy a bunch of material bullshit or not?
 
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To build something ( Business/Product/Whatever) I can be proud of, and to find something I enjoy doing. So far all the affiliate/SEO stuff I've done was in niches I couldn't give 2 shits about, doing things I hated to do.

It was always money over happiness, now its happiness over money.
 
flippy said:
I would also consider myself somewhat of a minimalist, as I see the value in not owning a bunch of material bullshit that just ties your ass down... I like expensive vehicles, but what are they really? A large piece of metal on 4 pieces of rubber. A house? A big box you live in. It's all just physical shit that doesn't mean anything. There are many more things in life much more valuable in my opinion.

However I don't think "balling out of control" and minimalism have anything to do with each other. There's no reason why you can't ball out of control and be a minimalist at the same time... it all comes down to your dollar return on the time invested working.

Why would I not want to make the highest dollar return on my time spent working, regardless if I want to buy a bunch of material bullshit or not?
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No, I feel you.

To clarify, "ballin out of control" to me entails getting an oversized house, needlessly expensive whips, boats, etc... You know, ego-centric material shit.

Trust me, I want to make a high dollar return as much as the next man.
 
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options, plenty of options.

^^ that is the ultimate end game.

if you don't have options, you don't have shit. options allow you to do what you want, how you want, when you want, where you want. If I have to trade money to get those options, so be it.

the question is then, how to obtain enough money to have enough options and do it in a way it is scalable and passive as much as possible so that you can use your time and energy executing those options and obtaining the options.
 
GimpSpack said:
Once the dollar crashes, what are y'all gonna do?
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A "dollar crash" might alter needs and desires, but it doesn't eliminate them. It doesn't make the baker lose his skills or make his oven disappear.

Fiat money does not have intrinsic value, but the infrastructure of the world does and it keeps growing. Internet marketing is worldwide, of course, and there are something like twice as many global users now compared to 5 years ago.
 
Perhaps I can secure myself with a $100 mill office building/home. A skyscraper... So everyday I can look down, laugh and literally shit down on people.

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Zaino said:
I was at someones house the other morning for a consult and when I pulled up there was a guy in his yard picking up shit. I kid you not there is a company that will pick up dog shit.

How easy would it be to brand that, franchise it.

Gotta keep the wheels turning. Anyone can pick up poop, but how many people can market it and scale it?

End game? Death or erectile dysfunction.
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Yah, super easy- give it a shot, retard- you were MADE to pick up other people's dogshit. Here's a fucking template:

Pet Butler
 
A friend of mine coined the phrase "superfluous money" as in extra, unneeded, you wouldn't even know what to do with it.

This has motivated me ever since.

Now, this end goal is defined by what you need and want... of course if you want to build skyscrapers or own a Ferrari for every day of the year, superfluous money will be further off.

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troob said:
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This is a question to all the affiliates out there, especially the media buyers like me.

What’s your end game? Or if you already had one, what was your experience going through with it?

While affiliate money is decent, campaigns never last and you'll go from 5 to 0 figures a day literally overnight. Not to mention the campaigns that never get profitable and just burn test money. I'm not sure how much this applies to SEO oriented affiliates but from what I hear it doesn't look like their income is stable either.

Anyone have any stories on how they moved from being an affiliate to starting a company / building real assets? How beneficial were your affiliate experiences?
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Maybe a decent endgame would be to realize that youre still participating in the rat race.

You shit on peasants because they hold jobs and fear unemployment. You fear your campaign going out. Same thing.

You have campaigns that make 5 figures a day and still work? Assuming you make any decent roi on that, it would not take half a month to have your bank account flash 6 figures. You can retire on that. Yet you feel the need to pump out more shit because you think youre not baller enough yet.

You never see the light at the end of the tunnel. Its always more money. What makes you believe that more money makes you somehow happy? There are people who work their entire life that get incarcerated in their late 50s because some tax evasion scheme catches up with them. Im all against taxes, but wasnt the goal freedom?

Many of you mention the ability to travel. Do you ever travel? Isnt it always the next campaign that you have to spend every waking minute on?

Women? Dont need money. Cars maybe. You want a lambo. Did you ever drive one? How about you rent one and see how it goes. Most of you dont have the necessary driving education to get anything out of such a car. You have a general speed limit on your streets that sucks when you pull up in your toyota. Guess how much that will suck when you sit in a race car wrecking the engine because it isnt moved properly. Youll move it up and down the strip and guess what, therell always be someone who has a couple zeroes more on his bank account. If you want to be some big shot money wise, youll never see the end of it.

Money doesnt buy you shit and the peasant mentality is still strong in almost all of you. And if you somehow had all the money in the world, youd just lose it in the next financial crash. Like everyone else does. "No I wouldnt. Im smart".

Maybe quit fucking people over for some stupid commission. Youre a bastard and you know that. And it hurts you. Youll not admit that but it does. And it will eventually catch up. Maybe not in the form of some AG.

"Freedom from" is not freedom btw. Freedom from is the absence of someone holding a gun to your head making you do shit. People who talk so much about freedom yet are so conditioned to believe in the peasant way of life that they dont even know the real thing. The only thing most of you guys command is pity.


Maybe, after the next one of your silly campaigns is over and youve got some spare change, live a month with poor children in south america. Let them teach you whats important in life. Youd be amazed.
 
thehobbster said:
Have fun with that.
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With 6 figures? I know retirement to you is quit work for life. Thing is, ive had that and it gets old fast if you actually want to do something with your life. If its all soulless hookers and cars that depreciate faster than your mother, I wish you good luck with that.

On the other hand side, 6 figures buy you 5-10k a month in any semi decent investment programme. Just have to dig a bit deeper than shady tv commercials.

And you somehow picked on the one statement that was not debatable. Kudos
 
I just saw a financial investment account of a client the other day. The balance was around $110,000,000. He had earned approximately $2.5m in interest & dividends last month alone.

Guy had a offline biz he sold to a big fish. He's no genius either. If he can do it, so can you, trust me. The potential is there even more for online businesses in my opinion. Zappos' HQ is just down the street from me and I think of Tony Hsieh often. He netted approximately $200,000,000 from Amazon on that sale alone (and had some other good ones before that).

I think Tavin has the right idea: http://www.wickedfire.com/enlightened-members/168063-flipping-website.html
 
wayn3 said:
With 6 figures? I know retirement to you is quit work for life. Thing is, ive had that and it gets old fast if you actually want to do something with your life. If its all soulless hookers and cars that depreciate faster than your mother, I wish you good luck with that.

On the other hand side, 6 figures buy you 5-10k a month in any semi decent investment programme. Just have to dig a bit deeper than shady tv commercials.

And you somehow picked on the one statement that was not debatable. Kudos
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I didn't pick that one piece out in an attempt to try to refute the rest of your post. It's just the piece I wanted to comment on. I don't think I would be retiring on $500,000 or even $999,999. I COULD, but it wouldn't provide for experiences that I haven't already had. I've already done the monastic type thing, the wilderness thing, etc. A million bucks doesn't go as far as it used to these days.

But what I do think about the rest of your post and all the posts prior espousing the same minimalist philosophy is that, while there's nothing wrong with what you're saying, it's not what anyone in this business or lifestyle is about. Cutting expenses and being a cheap fuck and pretending to not enjoy material things so you can be lazier or not step up to a challenge is not what I like to see people preaching. Regardless if it's for spiritual reasons or whatever. Asceticism never got anyone anywhere, physically, mentally, emotionally, or spiritually.

Like I said before in a previous post, when money stops being an issue, other things will come into play. But they don't come until play until money stops being an issue. you don't get to skip steps on maslow's hierarchy, the hindu ashramas, etc. You can try, but you will stunt your development.

Yes, we get it, a house is a "big box." A car is a box with wheels. Everything is made out of atoms, blah blah. We project meaning and live in delusion and illusion, blah blah. Yes, it's all true.

That doesn't mean you should check out of life and become a disengaged hermit faggot with no aspirations of ANY KIND. Nihilism is true, but then again, I have no problem with that and I'm not gonna mope around and try to get everyone else to do the same. As soon as I accepted everything was meaningless, I started creating my own meaning and THEN some other very interesting things started to slip out from behind the veil, and surprise, turns out nihilism wasn't right after all. Paradox.

I'm rambling and have no ultimate point. I think my point is is that reductionist, nihilistic, naivety annoys me, and i hate how it wants to spread like a plague so misery will have company.
 
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