When to ask for payout bump?

AffApprentice

AffApprentice

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Hey guys,

I'm looking for a bit of advice on when and how to ask for a payout bump. I know they say it's a right and not a privilege, but I want to keep a good relationship with my AM and convey the right message.

I've heard the general rule of thumb is you can get a payout bump if your'e doing $1000 / week in volume - that sound right? I'm doing about $1500 / week on the offer I'm trying to bump, and want to basically phrase it as "the only way I can increase volume at this point and still have everything back out is if you give me a bump."

Any ideas?

Thanks.
 


Sure, ask for the bump. They'll know that you're trying to push for more traffic/sales. If they say no you can

1) swallow your pride and keep working
2) find a new merchant and better payout
- at least you've already proven success
3) explain the situation and maybe they'll bump you
 
i've asked for bumps without running any traffic and gotten them. if you are doing $1500 a week, you are fine asking for a bump. networks want to make more money, if they think you are capable of higher volume they will usually take smaller margin. Worst case for you is they say no, worst case for them is you get bumped and your volume stays the same / drops and they get lower net, but still that probably makes you more likely to run with them in the future.

After building good history it gets much easier to get bumps.
 
Simply ask for a payout bump and if they refuse to give you it, move on to another network. You shouldn't have to fight for a bump.
 
You have to understand that the initial payout you are getting is bullshit. If you are pushing $1k+/week to one campaign you should be able to get a decent pay bump with no hassles. If they give you shit, consider dropping that network for one that takes care of it's affiliates. After all, you are the one making your AM as well as the advertiser $$$.
 
The AMs job is to maximize the profits of their company. If you're pushing a handful of leads to an offer and ask for a payout bump just for the hell of it without giving any indication that the bump is going to help you increase volume and thus increase their profit, then why would they give it to you (unless of course you have a pre-established relationship with them and they know you're capable of doing volume)? Given that, most AMs will usually just give out bumps without any back and forth cause its usually not worth the time suck. But if they do happen to give you a hard time, explain that the increased payout will help you buy traffic from more places, buy higher quality traffic, etc.
 
@Lpdesigner - which network(s) you working with?

@Goodcat - I wrote the email already and didn't ask for an exact amount, just a bump. A mistake, you think?

@johnnysc - I looked on Offers202 and it actually looks like my network is already giving a solid payout. However, I know the # they publish always includes a fat margin for them, so I bet I can go higher anyway.
 
AffApprentice said:
Hey guys,

I'm looking for a bit of advice on when and how to ask for a payout bump. I know they say it's a right and not a privilege, but I want to keep a good relationship with my AM and convey the right message.

I've heard the general rule of thumb is you can get a payout bump if your'e doing $1000 / week in volume - that sound right? I'm doing about $1500 / week on the offer I'm trying to bump, and want to basically phrase it as "the only way I can increase volume at this point and still have everything back out is if you give me a bump."

Any ideas?

Thanks.
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Simply ask for it... what are your payouts, weekly? or by the number? I have merchants emailing me all the time asking for little things like changing the pay outs or lowering their rates...

We give it to them because we like to keep our clients happy! I hope the company your with would do the same.
 
You have just as much of a right to annoy your affiliate manager to get you an increase just as much they have every right to annoy the hell out of you to run their offers. I normally wont even consider running an offer unless i get bumped from the beginning. There's alot of networks out there you could be using but the one you chose should be bending over backwards to keep you. Use the other networks as leverage, and if they dont bump you, go to another network for the same offer. Someone will give in.
 
Agreed.

...and if an AM considers payout increase requests 'annoying' they're in the wrong business. Asking for a payout increase is a GOOD Thing. :)

Our standard payouts are $35 per sale.

If you have niche traffic and/or want to take advantage of niche dating, send me a pm and we'll start you off at $40 payouts, we can go up from there.



Bevo Ryan said:
You have just as much of a right to annoy your affiliate manager to get you an increase just as much they have every right to annoy the hell out of you to run their offers. I normally wont even consider running an offer unless i get bumped from the beginning. There's alot of networks out there you could be using but the one you chose should be bending over backwards to keep you. Use the other networks as leverage, and if they dont bump you, go to another network for the same offer. Someone will give in.
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Asking for a bump in pay is one reason why I always try to have an already well established relationship with the affiliate manager. If you already have a good relationship then they are that much more willing to go to bat for you and get that raise.

Whenever I ask for a pay increase I normally always break down my own P&L statement detailing the average visitor value and in order for me to increase it I will need to do XYZ and that will cost me XXXX amount of dollars. This seems to work very well because even if they company is not offering any hire rates they may bend to you because of your proven track record and because they at least THINK you know what you are doing. This may be a little over kill but has worked very well for me.

I can only think of one time so far when I did not get a bump in sales because of the above method. I was doing 20K in sales a month and getting 20% of each sale. I'm still only doing 20K in sales each month for them because I can't do more with out getting an increase in commissions. It's a whole year later since I hit this mark with them and they still won't bump my rate to help increase overall sales. Most affiliate managers understand the market and are willing to bump pay for those that will bring in more sales.
 
Goodcat said:
Are you just going to ask for a bump, or do you have an exact figure in mind?
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I would like to know this too. What is recommended? Just ask for a bump and let them say a figure? Or say I want you to bump the offer to $x.xx?

Second, is it better to ask for the bump over the phone? Or via email?
 
jerdei said:
Asking for a bump in pay is one reason why I always try to have an already well established relationship with the affiliate manager. If you already have a good relationship then they are that much more willing to go to bat for you and get that raise.

Whenever I ask for a pay increase I normally always break down my own P&L statement detailing the average visitor value and in order for me to increase it I will need to do XYZ and that will cost me XXXX amount of dollars. This seems to work very well because even if they company is not offering any hire rates they may bend to you because of your proven track record and because they at least THINK you know what you are doing. This may be a little over kill but has worked very well for me.

I can only think of one time so far when I did not get a bump in sales because of the above method. I was doing 20K in sales a month and getting 20% of each sale. I'm still only doing 20K in sales each month for them because I can't do more with out getting an increase in commissions. It's a whole year later since I hit this mark with them and they still won't bump my rate to help increase overall sales. Most affiliate managers understand the market and are willing to bump pay for those that will bring in more sales.
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^^This... Except for the last part. I don't know what offer it was (aka, one that's exclusive to that network), but if it was me, after I tell them that it will help me scale I ALSO say that I'll run it on another network if they say no... But I only threaten them like that AFTERthey've told me they wouldn't increase my payout.

So yeah, hope that helps...
 
I ask for bumps after I send a few sales, then after decent traffic another bump - I don't think I've ever been turned down for a bump, so JUST ASK!
 
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