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Airin said:
You post without said proof?

How the fuck do you figure that when I go to the mall and drop money in at least half a dozen stores that that is not creating jobs? What about when I went to a hotel for one night a couple weeks ago just to get away from the kiddos... I dropped over a grand between room service, the room, a spa treatment for myself and a round of golf for the hubs? Does that money not go towards people having jobs? I can assure you that I will do a lot less of this when my taxes go up!

How do figure that when they increase taxes and I have less profits because of it that it is not going to cause me to slow down hiring. Right now I am looking to hire an ad manager and a kick ass affiliate manager (shameless plug, referrals welcome!). I definitely wouldn't be looking to add to my team if profits were less... profits are already slim enough with a network.

It's simple economics and your proof is some bullshit some organization put together with facts that conveniently supported the outcome they wanted to portray. I can twist things to make them say what I want too if I try hard enough. Lulz.
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Simple economics? I guess it's so simple that it's still out of your grasp.

BTW, typing "does lowering taxes create jobs" is really, really difficult.

The Straight Dope: Does cutting taxes create jobs?
http://www.itepnet.org/pdf/junkeconomics.pdf - The results show that the states with the highest taxes actually had the strongest economies throughout a difficult decade.
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GOP Supercommittee Member Admits Bush Tax Cuts Didn't Create Jobs, Can't Explain Why | ThinkProgress
Paul Krugman Obliterates the Myth that Low Business Taxes Create Jobs
Bush On Jobs: The Worst Track Record On Record - Real Time Economics - WSJ
http://www.americanprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/issues/2009/02/pdf/picker_jobs.pdf
How Do Lower Taxes Create Jobs? - Business Insider - less mid and high wages jobs, more low wage jobs, same amount of jobs.

There. Articles based on business taxes, as well as personal taxes, and how they relate to job creation. Both sides of the coin, with the same end result.

You can argue about how it makes perfect sense, but don't uphold your opinion while disregarding the facts.

Now, shut the fuck up and don't speak on anything you know not of.
 


mgtarheels said:
Simple economics? I guess it's so simple that it's still out of your grasp.

BTW, typing "does lowering taxes create jobs" is really, really difficult.
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Where did I say anything about lowering taxes creating jobs? Read my post again... I did say that raising them would have an impact.

An increase of 3% on $250k is $7,500. If most of the people in this range are like me and save a certain amount before they spend money on stupid shit like a night at a hotel, a new pair of shoes, whatever, then that is $7500 less a year that is going into the economy to help sustain jobs. That's less dinners out and tips for those waiters. That's less trips to the malls and a diminished need for cashiers, stock people, hr people, etc.

Also I would assume, though I haven't verified this with our CFO, that the increase will somehow increase what I pay in taxes on my current employees making them more expensive. IF this is the case then a lot of SMALL companies are going to hold off on hiring.

Again, I never said ANYTHING about lowering taxes creating jobs. Are you made you're not included in the tax increase?
 
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Airin said:
Where did I say anything about lowering taxes creating jobs? Read my post again... I did say that raising them would have an impact.

An increase of 3% on $250k is $7,500. If most of the people in this range are like me and save a certain amount before they spend money on stupid shit like a night at a hotel, a new pair of shoes, whatever, then that is $7500 less a year that is going into the economy to help sustain jobs. That's less dinners out and tips for those waiters. That's less trips to the malls and a diminished need for cashiers, stock people, hr people, etc.

Also I would assume, though I haven't verified this with our CFO, that the increase will somehow increase what I pay in taxes on my current employees making them more expensive. IF this is the case then a lot of SMALL companies are going to hold off on hiring.

Again, I never said ANYTHING about lowering taxes creating jobs. Are you made you're not included in the tax increase?
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Uh, because these are the Bush Tax Cuts expiring. Going back to the exact same levels as they were with Clinton. You're bitching about them going back to where they were before these tax cuts, not them raising to unprecedented levels.

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Again, I never said ANYTHING about lowering taxes creating jobs. Are you made you're not included in the tax increase?
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The average person in the higher brackets isn't stupid. They aren't going stuff the extra cash in their mattress. They are going to to re-invest it and turn it into even more money and part of that will involve creating more jobs. They are also going to spend it on themselves... buying new shit, going out to eat, going on vacations, etc........ All of which also creates jobs. Durrrrdy durrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
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Shut up, moron.
 
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It doesn't matter if lower taxes create more jobs........... lower taxes mean (to me anyway) one gets to keep more of THERE money.

The argument saying we just tax the "Rich" and all will be well, the "Rich" don't have enough money to pay for the current state of affairs. What will happen when america finds this out?

The cuts are coming... they won't be able to raise taxes high enough to pay for current spending (Obamacare Unfunded liabilities and more future obligations Local-State-Federal). The fed could print, but how much?

At the end of the day its: Cut Cut Cut, Tax Tax Tax, Print Print Print

America is in Danger.
 
Bofu2U said:
Forget to login to suddenly_ass?
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No he didn't. Unlike Suddenly_tits, he's made it obvious who he is but for the less observant still scratching their heads, just pay attention to his writing style and all will be revealed. I'm not going to out him but if he pms me I'll reveal all and show him how to be stealth.
 
i think next year if these taxes get in place im going to just quit and then spend my time party every day and maybe sell crack/cocaine
 
Pretty crazy how people are lead into the mindset that its ok to take peoples money because they have more of it.
 
Airin said:
Where did I say anything about lowering taxes creating jobs? Read my post again... I did say that raising them would have an impact.

An increase of 3% on $250k is $7,500. If most of the people in this range are like me and save a certain amount before they spend money on stupid shit like a night at a hotel, a new pair of shoes, whatever, then that is $7500 less a year that is going into the economy to help sustain jobs. That's less dinners out and tips for those waiters. That's less trips to the malls and a diminished need for cashiers, stock people, hr people, etc.

Also I would assume, though I haven't verified this with our CFO, that the increase will somehow increase what I pay in taxes on my current employees making them more expensive. IF this is the case then a lot of SMALL companies are going to hold off on hiring.

Again, I never said ANYTHING about lowering taxes creating jobs. Are you made you're not included in the tax increase?
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You really don't know what you are talking about and are now backtracking because of it. You know what you believe, and then are desperately trying to find arguments to support it, while you should be looking at the information presented and then making your decision based on that. Leads to a lot less bullshitting about economic ideas that were disproven 50+ years ago.

As a libertarian who is absolutely against tax increased I have to spend a lot of time dealing with people comparing me to idiots like you which detracts from being able to discuss actual issues. If you are against taxation, it should be because you believe taxation is theft, or because you do not believe in sacrificing what you've worked hard to achieve. Not because of outdated economic ideas.
 
The "1 percent" may have enough money to provide a "job" to all unemployed Americans, but even if we toss out moral debates, we are still left with the question of if forcing them to do so would be the most efficient thing for the overall economy and society.

If somebody wants something, they will usually pay for it if the price is right for them. Sports reporting jobs are relatively recent in history. For the most part, the amount of those jobs has come about in a natural way. If the government had forced ESPN to hire 100 more workers in 1995, what would that have accomplished? Great for those 100 people and great for unemployment numbers that month, but the big picture has to be looked at.


We are in a society where much of the economy is based on people buying things that they don't actually need to survive. Nobody is born with a need for Halloween merchandise; in a way people had to be convinced they wanted it.

For whatever reason, most Americans are conditioned to think that a job can only be a spot that gets opened by people far off in ivory towers. With millions of unemployed, you would think that Craigslist or wherever would be loaded with people selling themselves, with part of that selling being trying to convince people to want things they might have never before thought about paying for.

On the MTV Cribs episode with Mariah Carey, she has her own shoe bitch waiting in a closet for her. This person probably helps her with more than shoes, but it still brings up a potential untapped job market. There are probably dozens of rich people in certain cities that have never considered it, but would pay for their own personal shoe bitch.

That may be a silly example, but the point is that with millions of people unemployed, there should be way more new out of the box ideas emerging. That can't happen though if too many people view jobs as something that can only get created for them by others.
 
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