Why do we send murderers to jail?

brandonbaker said:
No system will ever be perfect. I think that is one of the fundamental problems in this country, and with human thinking in general.

Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

No system we ever devise will be 100% perfect, with 0 false negatives or false positives. We will sometimes never find the murderer and we will sometimes punish the innocent. But what we can control is how we handle the 99% of cases in which we got it right.
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The way around it is to have expedition processes for cases which are clear cut.

This case for example at the Batman shooting doesn't even need to go to trial. He killed all those people, there's tens of witnesses, and so forth. All his human rights should be forfeited.

The issue is determining where the line be drawn in such cases. Also, lots of victims/their families like to see a trial and to have their say, for closure.
 


There's a guy here in AZ that Is known as the serial killer. He admitted to the murders he committed 4 years ago. He wants his execution date moved up to as soon as possible, but because of politics that won't happen. He's guilty and he agrees to be killed ASAP. Why wouldn't they just kill him already?

I also read some time ago that a well educated man who was actively part of his community died because he was denied a liver transplant. The liver that he could of received actually went to an inmate that was executed 1 week after his transplant. Why the hell would you give a liver to a person who is going to be executed a week after?

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very disturbing that lots of people in this threaf support the ultimate power of the state, the power to kill.

fuck that shit y'all
 
zingo said:
China has it right kill them with a bullet and take the organs.. Waste not want not.

BBC News - China to end organ donations from executed prisoners
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Someone explain this to me, please, because I don't get it.
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We know from history that we sometimes sentence innocent people to prison.

A death penalty is permanent, while a prison sentence allows them to be released.

I haven't bothered to decide whether I'm opposed to it morally; it doesn't matter - I don't trust its implementation.

But as long as you're putting a dollar value on a human life, we can't have this discussion.
 
r3p1v said:
I believe it costs more to do the death penalty than to leave them in jail until they die.

There is like a huge process and they have to exhaust all of their appeals which takes years and years. All that time in and out of court costs more than just letting them sit in jail.

Maybe it should be streamlined or something. But there are a number of states without the death penalty and trying to change change it to streamline it would probably take forever.
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Give me a few men for a firing squad, a 45 cent bullet = problem solved. How does this cost more ?
 
Dresden14 said:
Give me a few men for a firing squad, a 45 cent bullet = problem solved. How does this cost more ?
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Pretty sure he's referring to the cost to kill him using the current process, not what it would actually cost to kill someone.
 
A sane system would compel the murderer to make restitutions to the families of the people he has injured or killed.

Capital punishment is problematic because it gets abused.

Incarceration is the stupidest thing ever.

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The fact of the matter is, when someone is tried:

1. It shouldnt take fucking years to convict the person
2. It shouldnt take years to move forward with the penalty.

I'm not saying I believe in fucked up penalties, but when stiff penalties are given out for people who chomo'd kids, people have committed obscene murders, or drug dealers that have committed multiple strikes and show no form of change - people like this should be expelled from our state or shot. In my government, people would be tried within weeks (at most) and the penalties would be carried out immediately. Whether it be a hanging, firing squad, etc. Why prolong the situation? This would also stop people from committing such things from possibly being scared imo

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If you guys trust the cops to nab the right guy in the event of a killing, sure go ahead and give a thumbs up for the death penalty.

But for every whack-job busted for murder, where it's super-blatant obvious the guy did it, there are convictions for murder where the guy just didn't do it. But the police needed a fall-guy to close the case, and some poor bastard was in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Way too many wrongful convictions out there to be comfortable with the death penalty.

But you guys hungry for blood should cheer up just a little, guys like that butcher usually get solitary confinement for the rest of the lives. Which is hell on earth.

Solitary Confinement Facts | American Friends Service Committee

"If one is not mentally ill when entering an isolation unit, by the time they are released their mental health has been severely compromised.
 
Since I don't want the state to have the ability to nab me off the street and kill me, which now doesn't even require a trial no less, (thanks obomba!) I'm officially opposed to a state-sanctioned death penalty in all but one situation: When the killers plead guilty and ask for it.

Dueling, however, should totally be brought back. Of course the state would find a way to tax and regulate that before long too. :mad:


@OP: Andrew Scherer was dead on in his explanation. It's the most profitable Rebill in the world. Google or Youtube "Prison Industrial Complex" and you'll see tons of Docs on the subject.
 
I agree the "instant death" capital punishment thing might be a bit overboard. Many innocent/framed people would be potentially put to death, only to discover years or decades later that they actually WERE innocent.

HOWEVER...

In cases like this where the guy is apprehended on the scene with smoking guns in hand... Well, put that fucker to death and stop wasting tax payers money. Cops should have put a bullet in his head on the scene anyway. Mentally ill or not, he shot up a theater full of mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, husbands, wives, etc.

He gave up his rights when he started shooting innocent people who only wanted to enjoy a night out at the movies. And now they're dead.
 
the whole point is the percentage of cons sitting in a joint for non-violent crimes?
and they also work there, produce something, right? should be not total waste?
 
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