Why You Should Never Talk To The Police

Camron Agrees:

Why Camron would rather be silent, then to be a snitch ...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTwipn-Fp_U]YouTube - Eye To Eye: Cam'ron (CBS News)[/ame]
 


And for the record, Lawyer technicalities are what america is all about. Having a good lawyer vs. a shitty lawyer is the difference between freedom and incarceration for some people.
 
Enigmabomb said:
And for the record, Lawyer technicalities are what america is all about. Having a good lawyer vs. a shitty lawyer is the difference between freedom and incarceration for some people.
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This. I watched this a few years ago after it was suggested to me by someone who knew I had just taken my handgun carry permit class and was waiting on the state to make it official.
First thing I did after that was find a lawyer to talk to and I keep her card behind the permit in my wallet.

What exactly is BS about the video?
 
I can assure you this is 100% correct. The prisons are full of people that thought they were helping themselves by talking to the cops. If you fucked up, don't make their job any easier for fucks sake. Be respectful, ask for a lawyer, and shut the fuck up.
 
Enigmabomb said:
Enjoy getting loved tenderly in jail bro. How could this be UTTER BULLSHIT?
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This video is coming in from a lawyer standpoint. Obviously the law community believes the best thing to do when confronted by the police is *drumroll* stay silent and go pay for a lawyer. In most situations, simply remaining cool and cooperative (note: I don't mean running your mouth off and confessing to crimes) will bring you a better outcome than trying to flex your rights. It's like those idiots that start shit for no reason with the TSA and end up getting arrested. Sure, it's not fair and it's not in the constitution, but you're just painting a target with your victim mentality. Cops will break their procedures and code of conduct if you're being a dick to them; vice versa if you're cooperative and respectful. Either way you can't win. Cops get let off with a warning for fucking killing people these days, you think they're going to get any shit for searching you or arresting you without probable cause?

Ok, next time you get pulled over for speeding tell the cop "I'm not speaking until I get a lawyer" and tell me how that goes.

It's alright, I used to be like most of the people in this thread. Got rolled on by the cops for drinking a beer on the beach. I played the whole "I've got rights" card and ended up getting arrested and spending 8 hours in jail when I could have just settled for a fine. They told me I was arrested for drunk in public when I only had half a beer downed; did it really matter though? Nope. Shoulda just kept my mouth shut.
 
BluAffiliate said:
Listen:

YouTube - CRIMINALS GONE WILD - CAM'RON ON SNITCHING
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You and Cam'Ron have the no-snitching thing completely twisted. Thankfully, I haven't committed a crime in many years (at least nothing serious) so I don't have to deal with this bullshit anymore, but maybe I can clear things up for you.

If there is a serial killer or child molester or something in your neighborhood and you know about it - that's not snitching. That's deplorable shit that needs to be taken care of immediately and the best people to handle it are the police. And nobody is gonna think you're a snitch because of it.

But let's say for instance you know a friend of yours committed a crime. Maybe he smashed his girlfriends car windows out, or maybe he beat up a guy in a fit of road rage, or maybe he just bought some coke...all that shit is illegal, do you think you should tell on that person though? That's snitching. Or if you did commit a crime with somebody and you got caught, you have to face the consequences. But If you decide you want to tell on your co-conspirator just because you got caught and he didn't - that's snitching.

I was raised to never snitch, and this has always been my interpretation of it, and this is pretty much what it really means to most people. Cam'Ron is a retard and anyone that follows his line of thinking is retarded.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
You and Cam'Ron have the no-snitching thing completely twisted. Thankfully, I haven't committed a crime in many years (at least nothing serious) so I don't have to deal with this bullshit anymore, but maybe I can clear things up for you.

If there is a serial killer or child molester or something in your neighborhood and you know about it - that's not snitching. That's deplorable shit that needs to be taken care of immediately and the best people to handle it are the police. And nobody is gonna think you're a snitch because of it.

But let's say for instance you know a friend of yours committed a crime. Maybe he smashed his girlfriends car windows out, or maybe he beat up a guy in a fit of road rage, or maybe he just bought some coke...all that shit is illegal, do you think you should tell on that person though? That's snitching. Or if you did commit a crime with somebody and you got caught, you have to face the consequences. But If you decide you want to tell on your co-conspirator just because you got caught and he didn't - that's snitching.

I was raised to never snitch, and this has always been my interpretation of it, and this is pretty much what it really means to most people. Cam'Ron is a retard and anyone that follows his line of thinking is retarded.
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100% spot on. I got a DOC number and my friend didn't for that reason. I got caught he didn't and I kept my mouth shut.
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
I can assure you this is 100% correct. The prisons are full of people that thought they were helping themselves by talking to the cops. If you fucked up, don't make their job any easier for fucks sake. Be respectful, ask for a lawyer, and shut the fuck up.
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The problem, with me and most other innocent people (no. really. I'm innocent.) is that you just assume since you've done nothing that there's no harm. But think about it, these guys have a job and they have cases to close and half the time that's more important to them than finding the real guys that did it.

Don't make their case any easier on them. ANY THING you say can be used against you to build their case for their own motives and it don't matter a shit whether you did it or not.
 
crackp0t said:
100% spot on. I got a DOC number and my friend didn't for that reason. I got caught he didn't and I kept my mouth shut.
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I posted it cause Cam sounded fuckin hillarious in that vid. He's obviously a public figure , and tryin to make a point, although I dnt know what it was lol...anyway I'm still a huge Cam fan regardless.
 
crackp0t said:
100% spot on. I got a DOC number and my friend didn't for that reason. I got caught he didn't and I kept my mouth shut.
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Same here. And I wouldn't go back and change it even if I could.


turbolapp said:
The problem, with me and most other innocent people (no. really. I'm innocent.) is that you just assume since you've done nothing that there's no harm. But think about it, these guys have a job and they have cases to close and half the time that's more important to them than finding the real guys that did it.

Don't make their case any easier on them. ANY THING you say can be used against you to build their case for their own motives and it don't matter a shit whether you did it or not.
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Exactly.
 
BluAffiliate said:
Ok, next time you get pulled over for speeding tell the cop "I'm not speaking until I get a lawyer" and tell me how that goes.
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I was actually going to talk about this in the previous post so I'll do so now.

Listen, just use your brain. If they're hauling you in for kidnapping, murder 1 2 or 3, hit and run, armed robber...etc. Keep your fucking mouth shut no matter what.

If you're pulled over for speeding just give them your licence, tell them there's no emergency and shut up. what are you going to do talk to them about the weather? If they start asking what's in your car, what have you had to drink to night, where were you tonight...(they may already be trying to peg you for the robbery down the street) then say you want your attorney.

That being said, it's really difficult for me because I can usually get out of tickets if I'm respectable, charming and even "oh noes I'm in my husbands car and didn't realize the lights didn't automatically come on" <--true story And yeah yeah I know I'm a girl but same goes for guys. Just be nice, relaxed, be like "sorry man, I just spaced" say sir, and you'll get out of it too.
 
BluAffiliate said:
This video is coming in from a lawyer standpoint. Obviously the law community believes the best thing to do when confronted by the police is *drumroll* stay silent and go pay for a lawyer. In most situations, simply remaining cool and cooperative (note: I don't mean running your mouth off and confessing to crimes) will bring you a better outcome than trying to flex your rights. It's like those idiots that start shit for no reason with the TSA and end up getting arrested. Sure, it's not fair and it's not in the constitution, but you're just painting a target with your victim mentality. Cops will break their procedures and code of conduct if you're being a dick to them; vice versa if you're cooperative and respectful. Either way you can't win. Cops get let off with a warning for fucking killing people these days, you think they're going to get any shit for searching you or arresting you without probable cause?

Ok, next time you get pulled over for speeding tell the cop "I'm not speaking until I get a lawyer" and tell me how that goes.

It's alright, I used to be like most of the people in this thread. Got rolled on by the cops for drinking a beer on the beach. I played the whole "I've got rights" card and ended up getting arrested and spending 8 hours in jail when I could have just settled for a fine. They told me I was arrested for drunk in public when I only had half a beer downed; did it really matter though? Nope. Shoulda just kept my mouth shut.
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You're a fucking idiot. "Shoulda just kept my mouth shut." you just contradicted everything you said prior, and basically agree with the videos main point. All you are required to do when a cop pulls you over is sign that ticket. get your shit straight, nowhere in the video does it say be a dick to the cop.
 
turbolapp said:
If you're pulled over for speeding just give them your licence, tell them there's no emergency and shut up. what are you going to do talk to them about the weather? If they start asking what's in your car, what have you had to drink to night, where were you tonight...(they may already be trying to peg you for the robbery down the street) then say you want your attorney.
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I don't think so either. We were driving home from a concert last year, everyone in the car stoned out of their mind and probably a little drunk still from earlier in the day. Got pulled over because the car engine was smoking (out of motor oil) and we were too blitzed to even notice. The cop pulled us over and immediately started asking: Did any of you guys drink or do any drugs? Did you come back from the concert?

Option A. Would be to freak out and say: "Sorry officer, I'm going to remain silent until I speak to my lawyer." Essentially resigning to the fact that we were probably busted and then get taken to jail and processed.

Or go with option B, which is what my buddy did?

"Where did you guys come from?"
-"Coachella concert, it ended a few hours ago."
"Have you been drinking? Using drugs"
-"No officer. We drank last night but not today and we don't do drugs."
"Did you notice that your car was smoking."
-"Yeah I'm actually shocked, but it's really dark. This is an old car so it happens from time to time."

He kinda nodded and asked us if the concert was fun and then let us off telling us to get to the nearest gas station.

That kinda beats going to jail, which is exactly what would have happened if you instantly pulled the lawyer card.
 
turbolapp said:
The problem, with me and most other innocent people (no. really. I'm innocent.) is that you just assume since you've done nothing that there's no harm. But think about it, these guys have a job and they have cases to close and half the time that's more important to them than finding the real guys that did it.

Don't make their case any easier on them. ANY THING you say can be used against you to build their case for their own motives and it don't matter a shit whether you did it or not.
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I've helped with computer forensics for some criminal defense lawyers and some of the shit police pull would make your toes curl. I've proven they've planted evidence to get false confessions out of people and heard stuff during "interviews" (because calling it an interrogation isn't pc anymore) that would probably make most grown people cry.

In one case a guy was accused of rapping his daughter more than 80 times (yes you read that right 80 times). This was a guy who could speak English, but not real well (and yes he was a legal citizen). They basically tortured the guy by telling him over and over again what would happen to people like him in jail and how all his other kids would get taken away and he'd never see his grand children again if he didn't just admit what he did.

Why did this happen? Because he made his daughter mad by taking away her cell phone(I think it was a cell phone I don't remember exactly what it was, but it was retarded to get that upset about). She falsely reported the sexual assaults and used the police to punish her dad.

How do we know that she falsely reported it and it never happened? We got all of her facebook records where she was laughing about it with one of her friends and could prove his where abouts during certain "encounters" via cell phone records.

Our system is completely fucked and yes I officially distrust and hate the police.
 
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