Wickedfire sucks
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I would completely disagree with the OP, I've learnt more from here than any other site. The biggest lesson this site teaches is to stop dreaming of how easy IM is and to realise it is hard work but hard work that can pay well. Even motivating boobs everywhere as well
If your signup date is anything close to when you found this community, the seeds were sewn long before that. Service providers by and large stay out of STS.
STS became poisoned by poor moderation, absentee landlording, and the first NickyCakes pixel stuffing debacle.
BST became poisoned by poor moderation, absentee landlording and poor infrastructure.
The affiliate and T&C forums became poisoned for different reasons. The affiliate forum became poisoned by the end of the boom, which meant hundreds of regular forum participants had to go back to their day jobs or give up the delusion of being internet marketers.
The T&C forum was never much loved, and professional SEOs by and large stayed out of it because there were so few here. Most of the posts in that forum should be in a newbie forum, and veterans who post shit should have been driven off the forum.
The above all presumes someone cares, which I really don't. It's Jon's forum and he doesn't care much for it, and I can sympathize because I have owned a forum for 7 years, and I spend less than 10 minutes on it daily. Members can be a pain in the ass, they all want to be lead, and they all want to have an opinion about how you're leading them.
The good news is, most of us migrated to skype and other channels for communication 2 years ago. Much of what is left on this forum is people acting like assholes, people who are peasants and try to blend in by acting like assholes, and people like you and me, who largely blow off steam and could give two shits less about how things are going in any macro sense.
Then of course you have NickyCakes, who loves to participate socially in his small time way and make an asshole of himself. In some alternate universe, it's not hard to imagine Nicky as Steve Wagenheim, among smarter and more capable people.
I agree, there is too much goddamn SEO talk on here, and not enough dick swinging by the PPC crowd. This might be because once the boom ended and people stopped handing money to anyone who could SPELL "acai", many of these PPC titans realized they had no marketing skills and are now working at places like shoeshine stands, I'm not really sure.
I'd like to see a thread about how I can use pixel stuffing to create a database for a product targeting warrior-level PPC newbs who don't know any better.
I'd like to see a thread about how I can use pixel stuffing to create a database for a product targeting warrior-level PPC newbs who don't know any better.
I think nickycakes and guerilla should go on cakestv and debate it out over politics. Cakes, of course, is an Obama supporter as if you didn't already know that.
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Finding a profitable offer or technique that coverts with PPC is 1 in 100(even then the roi is low). I dont think anybody is going to spill the beans here, or on a private forum. That would be stupid.
As far as seo on this forum. I'm reminded that during the gold rush; shovel and pick sellers made the most money. I still like to watch this community of assholes; every once in while a golden nugget still appears.
The paid traffic culture has undertones of getting rich quick and ballin money and has spawned some genuine artists who learned the behavioural science of advertising within the constraints of a thumbnail-size picture and a text message worth of words, seeking fortune in the vanguard of a bleeding edge media. In a sink-or-swim environment many of these guys learned coding, online communities, ecommerce and other related sciences and technologies, and in the processes didn't just swim but became giant sharks. The paid traffic side has multi-million dollar companies being built, bought and sold by people who started in the sort of paid traffic culture that used to be represented here, and the same built and commissioned marketing tools, ad platforms, affiliate networks, and tracking tools that had significant impact in what is a multi-multi-billion dollar industry.
Nothing on the SEO side approaches what has happened and continues to happen on the paid side. In comparison it's a complete joke with people like Rand becoming the punchlines. I certainly indulge in some schadenfreude at the apparent karmic realignment imposed on some of the former superstars of the PPC culture, but SEO will always be the satyr to the paid traffic Hyperion. Suck it up.
Nothing on the SEO side approaches what has happened and continues to happen on the paid side. In comparison it's a complete joke with people like Rand becoming the punchlines. I certainly indulge in some schadenfreude at the apparent karmic realignment imposed on some of the former superstars of the PPC culture, but SEO will always be the satyr to the paid traffic Hyperion. Suck it up.
Are you talking about the free trial offers.
Zuckerbergs and Brins of the internet world still put us all to shame. Thinking PPC or SEO is the way to riches is a false premiss. Its beyond that.
Zuckerbergs and Brins of the internet world still put us all to shame. Thinking PPC or SEO is the way to riches is a false premiss. Its beyond that.
I can't tell if you're trolling when you post stuff like this, or you're genuinely ignorant, like Nicky was about Neil Patel.
I suppose in your world this is true, but then I think you're ignoring the 100s of millions done in SEO each year.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/13/business/13search.html?pagewanted=all
I suppose you'll say JCPenny and BMW are small time businesses run by retards. Maybe you're right. But when PPC and PPV weren't even meaningful ideas yet, people were already making millions using organic search.
The Art of Mailing went down hill when they banned 90% of the mailers on this board.