Women As SEALs, Rangers and Other Spec Operators

One standard, come what may.

Former Marine fucktard here, 4 years in the infantry. Pretty much this.

Only ran into a handful of women during my time in, but I met a couple who could pull their weight. Met countless guys who sure as hell couldn't though.

Yah, fucking happens when it's not supposed to. Biggest concern should always be whether or not you can count on the person to perform when rounds start flying.

If she can carry your dead-weight, she's probably not that attractive (dem field goggles tho). And if she is attractive, she'll be pregnant soon so it's a non-issue.
 


^^ boatBurner, you obviously know this better than I would, but training basically rips your emotions out from underneath you, doesn't it? It's team & unit above all else, and that gets drilled into you pretty solidly, doesn't it?

In other words, once you're out of training and on the field, your gender shouldn't matter in the slightest as that type of thing has been drilled out of you, correct? Or am I wrong on that?
 
^^ boatBurner, you obviously know this better than I would, but training basically rips your emotions out from underneath you, doesn't it? It's team & unit above all else, and that gets drilled into you pretty solidly, doesn't it?

In other words, once you're out of training and on the field, your gender shouldn't matter in the slightest as that type of thing has been drilled out of you, correct? Or am I wrong on that?

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you're wrong.
 
...incapable of same physical strength...

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Hmmmm... the Israelis are pretty open at letting their women serve in all branches of the military, and last time I checked there armed forces did not suck.

With regard to women not having the same amount of muscle mass as men.... we'll see how long that stays a problem.

There are drones in the air right now and the next war, we will see bots in the ground for sure, if not killing bots then bots that will do a lot of the donkey work.

Just an opinion...
 
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Women's Raw World Records | Powerlifting Watch

I would be in the 198 lb category and I have a powerlifting total (my 5 rep maxes) of 1100. Not even 1 rep maxes, and keep in mind that these are women who have WORLD RECORDS. I'm an amateur that could easily compete against female professional powerlifters.

Nothing against women, they're just not as strong as men.

Also ignore the website and clickbait title, but this is what happens when you take anabolic steroids as a woman:

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A thoughtful piece...

Here's Why Women in Combat Units is a Bad Idea - War on the Rocks


An excerpt:

Three problems plague the debate over whether all combat units should finally be opened to women.

... the first is that every sentient adult knows what happens when you mix healthy young men and women together in small groups for extended periods of time. Just look at any workplace. Couples form. At some point, how couples interact – sexually, emotionally, happily and/or unhappily – makes life uncomfortable for those around them. Factor in intense, intimate conditions and you can forget about adults being able to stay professional 24/7. Object lesson for anyone who disagrees: General Petraeus.

Problem number two: Those who favor lifting the combat exclusion ban engage in a clever sleight of hand whenever they equate women serving in combat with women serving in combat units. Given women’s performance over the past decade in Afghanistan and Iraq, who but a misogynist would doubt their capacity for courage, aggressiveness or grace under fire at this point? But battles are like exclamation points. They punctuate long stretches when there are no firefights. Spend time around soldiers when they are coming down from adrenaline highs, or are depressed or upset; they are prone to all sorts of temptations. Alternatively, under Groundhog Day-like conditions, troops invariably grow bored and frustrated. How quickly we forget Charles Graner and Lynndie England, and the dynamic between them that helped fuel the sadism at Abu Ghraib.

Problem number three involves a different elision. Proponents of lifting the ban love to invoke desegregation and the demise of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell. Their intent in doing so is to suggest that all three are of a piece: Blacks now serve in combat units, as do (at least in theory) openly homosexual soldiers, and there have been no untoward effects. It is therefore past time to let women be all that they can be as well. Except that attraction between the sexes is nothing like the denigration of another race or the disinterest (or disgust) heterosexual men feel when it comes to the idea of one man pursuing another.
 
Hmmmm... the Israelis are pretty open at letting their women serve in all branches of the military, and last time I checked there armed forces did not suck.

With regard to women not having the same amount of muscle mass as men.... we'll see how long that stays a problem.

There are drones in the air right now and the next war, we will see bots in the ground for sure, if not killing bots then bots that will do a lot of the donkey work.

Just an opinion...

Israeli women do not serve in Israeli special forces like Shayetet 13 (essentially the Israeli equivalent to the SEALs). It's strictly men only. Yes, they can serve in regular infantry and other combat jobs, but not in special forces.
 
but training basically rips your emotions out from underneath you, doesn't it? It's team & unit above all else, and that gets drilled into you pretty solidly, doesn't it?

In other words, once you're out of training and on the field, your gender shouldn't matter in the slightest as that type of thing has been drilled out of you, correct? Or am I wrong on that?

I don't know about "rips your emotions out", but you learn to perform in high-stress environments. You train to be decisive in situations where you have very little time to choose between two equally shitty options.

I did cold weather training in Bridgeport, CA for a couple of months. In the infantry, you don't see women, so I hardly interacted with them. But at Bridgeport, we had two women participating. One was a Lieutenant and the other was a Gunnery Sergeant - both were above my pay grade, but there was instantly some animosity among our squad because we were infantry and everyone else was POG (person other than grunt). It's an endearment thing, because POGs get the good life and reasonable treatment while infantry units are typically hammered with shitty conditions to keep the stress high and the complacency low.

During this cold weather shitfest, we're going on these 25-30k hikes in the mountains. They actually weren't that bad compared to regular 30k humps imo. And every fucking hike, this Gunny bitch is whining. And some of our lower ranking grunts start cat calling and making remarks, and she wasn't correcting them. I remember hearing her once, "Guys, that's not funny."

My fucking mind could not comprehend this. If you so much as shit your pants in the direction of a Gunny in the infantry, you'd be eating your lunch through a straw for a month. And this bitch just kept on complaining about how tough the hikes were, falling behind each time. Her little princess ass would die in the infantry. She was attractive, too, so you start to wonder just how someone with such low fortitude climbed that rank structure. And everyone comes to the same quiet conclusion.

On the other hand, the Lieutenant that was training alongside us, also attractive, was a beast at these hikes. Seeing her in contrast with this Gunny bitch, you could tell that she took a lot of pride in being part of the pack. But not just that, she actually took the initiative and lead Marines without overstepping her bounds. She helped people, and overall boosted morale. While we had guys making audible comments under their breath about Gunny bitch, it only took a few weeks for all of us to conclude that we had a ton of respect for the Lieutenant.

We think WF is a a deadly force of pitchforks to be reckoned with, but that's because you neckbeards have never ran into a pack of grunts. I've got handfuls of stories about guys who can't handle the physical and mental conditions of the military and have no place on the front lines. But I would've absolutely gone to combat with that Lieutenant in charge.
 
SEAL training is definitely no joke, but either is Ranger School. My best friend (dude is in very good physical/mental condition), washed out of Ranger school. When I was in the Navy, I trained with Rangers and SEALS. SEALs are certainly the most elite, but Rangers aren't far behind. I have no doubt in my mind a women can pass BUD/S.

How is ranger school tough (physically) if 2 women just passed?
 
This is a common misconception, but a lot more men are raped (absolute numbers) in the military than women.

How is that misconception? Obviously absolute numbers are higher because number of men are higher (by a lot).
Relative numbers are the ones you compare there.