Would a "europeanized" America be a good or bad thing?

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What utter tripe Lazy.

For every Enron and Haliburton, there are 10 well run, ethical corporations. If your idea of justice is to send 11 men to jail for the crime of only one of them....

Because the laws affect all of them equally.

The lack of clean water in Africa, is because do-gooders encourage government to send aid, which is used to prop up dictators and tyrants, who rape the country and abuse the people. The reason why Africa has not emerged, is because there is no justice, because the very people who impose totalitarian regimes, are the ones WE ARE FUNDING.

That psycho in Zimbabwe has destroyed their economy and their money. How? With his psycho socialist ideas and so-called racial justice.

Government is not a solution. It is the problem. That is why as China becomes less authoritarian, less socialistic, their country is opening up and the people are starting to gain some measure of prosperity.

I respectfully disagree.

Look where most of the money is - banking, insurance, energy, arms - are the majority of those industries honest?

I'm not saying penalise many for the crimes of a few - in fact I'd rather see 100 guilty men on the streets than lock up one innocent one - but Big Business should be held financially and morally accountable and it isn't going to do it of it's own accord. Unfortunately our governments are too much in the pocket of these industries to have the desire to take any action, as recent events prove.

Corruption in Africa is certainly part of the problem, but only a small part compared to the actions of the IMF and World Bank (such as forced privatisation tied to loans) and unfair trade. The EU & America spout crap about "free markets" yet heavily subsidise a few select industries with our fucking taxes so they can compete with countries which can't afford to subsidise theirs.

I agree that government has been part of the problem, but - if done correctly (big if, I know) it can be part of the solution. We are one world - like it or not - and while it is the rich west (and China and others) that benefit from keeping half the world in poverty it cannot be left to so-called free markets to stop the injustice.

I would be in favour of free markets if it was truely free - no subsides, import tariffs, tax breaks, unfair loans and all the other things that tip the balance in favour of one country or business over another. We would also need to start from a level playing field and that is very unlikely to happen.
 


Lets make it simple.
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You got to stop making up your own definitions. Socialism is where the government (or collective) controls all means of production. Nothing is privatized. Private property does not exist. Everything is shared. Everything.

Don't confuse a form of government with a market economy model.

What you describe is not socialism, it's communism. Socialism covers a broad range of ideas and techniques that in reality, are implemented selectively and to larger or lesser degrees into most existing democracies. At its extreme, socialism does resemble the paradigm of communism - but I'm sure you don't think in black and white, do you?
 
Every country in the world is tied to the US ecomony. I recently made a post and some fool stated that the UK didn't need the US. They have the EU and everything will be fine. I let that ignorant statment stand!.

Now the UK is almost in depression because EVERY country's economy is tied to the US.

To answer your question. Would being dependend upon another country ran by fools be good for the US...................NO!
 
Not the point. Sad that you can't understand that.



I make perfect rational sense if you use your head for a second or two.



The alternative is not an alternative. I'm just going to assume that you are a republican... do you think any republican (including ron paul) stands for personal liberty? Maybe you do. In that case your definition of liberty is rather... interesting.



I'm going to ignore the informal fallacy here. I'm FAR from being a socialist.



I guess i'll just ignore this fallacy too.

I would bet 1k that you live with your mom.
 
I respectfully disagree.
That is very provincial of you and I appreciate it.

Look where most of the money is - banking, insurance, energy, arms - are the majority of those industries honest?
Right, but you are endorsing punishing everyone regardless of their industry. What you are subscribing to is not attacking evil, but anyone who comes into the vicinity of evil. You're saying that people who do well, create value, attain prosperity, by virtue of being a success, must be corrupt.

I'm not saying penalise many for the crimes of a few - in fact I'd rather see 100 guilty men on the streets than lock up one innocent one - but Big Business should be held financially and morally accountable and it isn't going to do it of it's own accord. Unfortunately our governments are too much in the pocket of these industries to have the desire to take any action, as recent events prove.
If government is in the pocket of business, why would we want more government? That's like trying to cure a heroin addict with a heroin overdose.

I agree that government has been part of the problem, but - if done correctly (big if, I know) it can be part of the solution. We are one world - like it or not - and while it is the rich west (and China and others) that benefit from keeping half the world in poverty it cannot be left to so-called free markets to stop the injustice.
Government has never self-corrected without a revolution. And even that is temporary. The socialist view is that we are always on the road to perfection and utopia. That denies history and reality.

You'll never reform a government that has served the monied interests since day 1. If you even get close, elections will be suspended and martial law imposed. Voting itself is a joke. You're allowed to make a false choice from a pre-defined list of alternatives. The every day man does not become a politician or get close to power without totally compromising the values that encouraged him to run in the first place.

Regardless, stealing from people while we daydream about unattainable and unrealistic reforms is not acceptable behavior.

I would be in favour of free markets if it was truely free - no subsides, import tariffs, tax breaks, unfair loans and all the other things that tip the balance in favour of one country or business over another. We would also need to start from a level playing field and that is very unlikely to happen.
Excellence deserves a larger share of the balance. Equality is not mans condition. Some are fatter, taller smarter, more coordinated etc. All men and women are not equal, and it is ridiculous to insist that unequal contributors should have equal rewards. If you believe in freedom and justice, reward those who produce, and punish those who do not. In a free market. Trust me, the people with the intelligence and passion to produce in a free market, will have the moral fiber to also look out for the unfortunate, instead of the parasitic leeches at the top now, who lie and cheat their way, and thus lack any moral compass.

As far as a level playing field, I'd like to see the fucking Brits give back all of the prosperity their empire sucked from the world. Just kidding, but I hope you get my point. We can't fix the past, but we can provide for tomorrow.

I would bet 1k that you live with your mom.
Or he is a looter, who takes more than he contributes. Most people in the middle class are trying to get ahead, but being milked to pay for the people above and below them in the system retards mobility.

Why do people never ask questions like "why give XX billion in foreign aid, when there are 20 million people on foodstamps at home?"

Because the system doesn't work for the people. It works for the agenda of a financial and political elite. All the more reason to deny these moochers any more money than you absolutely have to.
 
The every day man does not become a politician or get close to power without totally compromising the values that encouraged him to run in the first place.

This is true to the bone, and I believe it is the core of the problem. Power corrupts. Humanity's current problems cannot be solved within our own currently prevalent boundaries.

Douglas Adams said:
To summarize the summary of the summary: People are a problem.

Mikhail Gorbachev said:
It would be naive to think that the problems plaguing mankind today can be solved with means and methods which were applied or seemed to work in the past.

Albert Einstein said:
You cannot solve a problem with the same mind that created it.

Sorry for the philosophic approach here.
 
This is true to the bone, and I believe it is the core of the problem. Power corrupts.
Power does corrupt. Which is why everyone should be a sovereign individual. We need to decentralize instead of trying to centralize. Some people actually are for world government. I mean, how little does 1 in 6 billion votes count in such a system? The individual is crushed and the system always wins.

Sorry for the philosophic approach here.
It's nice to see some philosophy, instead of the school book socialism that passes for intelligence here. Thank you Bob.
 
Its to late. I was already fluent in another language when I got here. Dont throw away tax money in ESL programs. I was there I know.
Ah, so you escaped proper indoctrination!

I would curse my parents for putting me through so many schools, but without those interruptions, I would probably just be another robot.

Get education.
Get job.
Get married.
Make babies.
Get divorce.
Get married.
Retire.
Play golf.
Die.
 
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