Would you home-school your kids?

[sumohax0r]

Coming from someone who was home schooled his entire life, if fucking sucked. Now I'm not saying all home schooling is this way, but my parents where extremest hippies who just loved to make terrible decisions and justify them because... well they where high all the time.

If someone decides to Home school their children, they need to take it very seriously and make sure their children get a proper education.

My parents put me and my sisters in a room with Books they got at Garage sales (my Spelling book was from 1912 and I'm not even kidding) and said get to work. there was no guidance what so ever and honestly if it wasn't for the internet I would probably be borderline retarded.

I did get something good out of all that, I developed very strong problem solving skills based on the fact that anything I've learned in my lifetime, was without guidance or a teacher, and this is a gift I'm very glad to have and has helped me in many situations.

So yea, Don't do what my parents did if you do decide to home school your children.

 

[Insomniac]

Not saying they were well socialized, but homeschoolers have contributed as much, if not more, than people who received a conventional public education.

My statement had nothing to do with intelligence. Take someone like Zuckerberg, clearly intelligent, but struggles with even the simplest social interactions. You can be a social degenerate, and still contribute plenty. (For the retards here, I'm not making a statement that Zuckerberg was home schooled)

 

[stick2Herbs]

Homeschooled kids get plenty of social interaction with adults and other children in a respectful environment.

Another nine year old has very little to teach another nine year old about effective socialization. School kids tend to be unnaturally cruel to one another as they learn socialization through trial and error rather than emulation of best practices.

Lets cut the feel good projected bullshit out for a minute. All the homeschooled kids I've met have all been a bunch of awkward faggots. Homeschooling provides plenty of social interaction with adults and other children if you're end goal is to raise a socially awkward faggot that can't function among most kids his/her age.

Good luck with your homeschooling and raising a socially awkward kid goals of 2012, OP.

Cause one thing your homeschooling can't do nearly as well the school system is teach kids how to interact with mainstream society and thats one the most important assets you can have to be successful in this world.

And sure kids can be rough and tough, but at least it'll teach your offspring not to be little bitches and how to handle it, cause you can't shelter them forever.

inb4 guerilla nuthuggers
inb4 armchair libertarians come out
inb4 guerilla turns this into a 10 page thread all the while answering questions with more questions

 

[sumohax0r]

Also there are options other then Public schools, you also have Privite and Schools such as Montessori.

My biz partner went to a Montessori school because his mom is teacher there and he is crazy smart. there way of teaching is much better than public IMO.

 

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It's a tough call...

The education system is mostly complete garbage these days, but learning how to be a normal, social, human being is pretty valuable.

Solution: Home school your kid and drop him off in the ghetto each night and tell him he has to make his own way back before dawn.

 

[jfizzle]

I would think that deciding on to homeschool or not would depend a lot on the cognitive abilities of your child. If you find that perhaps he/she is struggling in school to understand concepts then perhaps it may be wise to do so.

I personally have always thought about it after a summer we had on a 2 week sailing trip down the Grenadines. We ended up mooring next to another sail boat as a hurricane was approaching. They had chosen to take a their kids out of school for 2 years and go sailing throughout the caribbean. They did about 4 hours of schooling in the morning and then they had the afternoon off to do whatever they wanted. The rational was that they would learn through experience and since they had 3 children, social interaction didn't seem like a huge concern as they could go off together and explore and what not. Anyways it was pretty cool, the kids seemed pretty independent and self-sufficient too.

 

[lukep]

I can't believe no one's brought up Gatto here.

If you think Schools are something that should NOT be burned to the ground with a passionate vengence, please learn from these 2 short videos and research more about the Prussian School system and John Taylor Gatto:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okPnDZ1Txlo]SCHOOL SUCKS: The American Way - YouTube[/ame] [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8cr0p9HaG8]The purpose and origins of public education - John Gatto - YouTube[/ame]

There are literally a hundred different films by homeschoolers and homeschooling organizations about this subject on YouTube.

Gatto is, by the way, one of the most celebrated Teachers in american history. If anyone would know this stuff, he would.

 

[ItsYoBuddy]

I don't have children, but if I do one day then I would want them to go to public school. I have only met a few home schooled kids when I was younger and I do remember only 2 being socially awkward. The 2 kids were "forced" into playing recreational sports, it just wasn't for them. But the kids that were home schooled and wanted to play organized sports they were "normal" like everyone else.

We all kind of get bullied or teased when growing up, it's part of life. It makes some people stronger, it makes most people "fragile". In my schools there was no major bullying that really happened, as far as I know. We also only had around 200 people or so in our whole class, apparently that's pretty small compared to other schools. Everyone pretty much knew each other and everyone was some what friendly with each other. We never had "jocks" either.

I loved school. Everything from pre-school, elementary school, middle school, and high school. Yeah it sucked getting up early, but I also remember going bed early around 10pm also. Obviously everyone will have a different opinion and will do what they think is right for their kid. I just don't see myself having nearly as much fun during my childhood if I was home schooled.

 

[lukep]

Obviously everyone will have a different opinion and will do what they think is right for their kid.

But the question is... Should the opinion of the incredibly misinformed count?

 

[crackp0t]

So? You find socially awkward people from public schooling too.



So you're saying the only way to attain self confidence and deal with negative social situations is to go to public school?

I've seen a couple kids mentally destroyed almost every day during a few years in school and they never escaped it. No matter what they did, including fight, the bullies would be bullies.

Perhaps some people in school or work are going to be assholes regardless of what you do.



I'm sure a certain % of home school'd children are "sheltered" but it's not as if that's a side effect. If the parents are active in getting their kids out in the world they can experience more than enough socializing.

And again you're saying going to a public school is the only way a girl can discover men want pussy and "how other girls are", whatever that means.

Seems there's a cognitive dissonance about what "school" is. It's a fucking building crammed full of children. You can gain all of the positive social experiences that can come from that without sending them there.

It's not: no school == hermit, school == social butterfly.

What he's saying is there's a higher percentage of socially awkward people produced by home schooling. Just because you can prevent the child from being too sheltered doesn't mean it isn't a side effect. There's no way you'll ever compensate the socialization they get at school outside of it. They'll get some, but not the same type or quantity they get at a school.

The people you saw getting bullied constantly and not being able to escape it will have the same problem as adults. People will walk all over them, because they never developed the ability to stick up for themselves. Most of them are genuinely good people and I hate it when I see people taking advantage of them. The people who can learn to stick up for themselves won't learn it until later in life if they're home schooled. How many confrontations will they have to deal with where you aren't there to help them out?

I'm guessing you've never been friends with any amount of girls. Girls by nature are catty, judgmental, superficial, and all around bitches. I'm not saying that's true about all girls, but there's a whole shit load of them out there that are like that. Guys generally aren't like that (they have different issues) unless they secretly wish they had a vagina. How do you purpose to teach a girl that guys will do pretty much anything to stick their dicks in them? Yeah you can tell them, but that doesn't prepare them for when a guy is actively trying to do it. I can tell you how to rebuild a carburetor, but until you actually have to do it you won't understand what I'm telling you.

 

[jfizzle]

ALL of the kids I went to school with who were bullied constantly, turned into societies trash. I can assure you, it had nothing to do with the bullying. Darwinism at it's best, discourage them from breeding.

You are going to raise some fucked up kids. According to your perspective on Dawinism, you are suggesting that it's advantageous to be a bully and that if your kid is subject to bullying, it is the processes of evolution proving he/she isn't worthy of existence.

First off, It's fairly clear that you are from a small town. It's also clear, that you probably haven't left that town. From that perspective, I can probably see why you think that being bullied is the ultimate way to coexistence with society. But, if you ever left your isolated world, you would probably see that kids that do get bullied find little niches. They develop friends that they can associate with or they choose something to ignore reality with. As they get older, assuming they don't commit suicide (which if they do, then yes perhaps its Darwinism) they find they have a better grasp of reality. They realize that the world is a hell of a lot bigger than that shit whole town. They also find that people who generally bully are the ones that do so because they have been raised with a negative glimpse on life. As the perspective they have on life is reflected in the actions they display at school onto other children. Some seriously fucked up things have happened to majority of the children who bully. If anything, its the evolutionary processes working on those kids who bully, because as they too get older, they realize what fuck ups they have become. If anything, it is the ones who get bullied and become much older, who are able to reflect back on the people who bullied them and laugh. It is almost advantageous to some degree, as it perhaps build moral character, determination and perseverance. I only say this because I've been subjected to both ends. I was raised in an isolated town and was bullied for a good chunk of it. I was fortunate enough to change locations and was able to fit in at my other location. I was able to fit in enough, that I too began to bully. I was then moved once again and subjected to even more bullying. All in all, bullying has taught me a lot about life. The saddest part is that majority of bullying occurs at such a young age, when most of it seems unexplainable to the person. It's sad to think that you believe that bullies are the more dominant in life and that the mutation of the gene which encodes aggressive behavior and overall annihilation of the weak is societies blessing. I can't help to think that in my university, majority of the ones who are contributing most to society were the ones who were bullied.

Anyways, everyone has an opinion and perhaps its legitimate from the perspective of a small town. But do not go saying that its evolution knocking at the door of the kids who bully saying, Great Fucking Job Man!

 

[jryan21]

Here's a lecture from 1986 (Samuel Blumenfeld)- he opens by explaining about the high illiteracy rates in the U.S. actually being caused by the public schools because of the way they were teaching kids how to read:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=js7NEWMPRvI]Are Public Schools Harming Your Kids? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[subigo]

Most of the home-schooled kids I've met all end up saying they wish they would have went to public school. Then again, I'm from the middle of the bible-belt and a ton of kids around here are home-schooled and only taught about JEBUS.

 

[dreamache]

All the homeschooled kids I've met have all been a bunch of awkward faggots.

Because you've met so many in that elaborate study you conducted, like 1 or 2 kids?

By that logic I can say you're wrong, in my experience every person I met who was home schooled (my wife and her 2 sisters) are all social and not awkward.

And lol @ the fear of raising a kid that might be socially awkward, oh no! ..because we all know the only thing an employer cares about is how many friends you had in high school. This idea that you'll be some sort of social reject, unable to communicate, stuttering with fear and anxiety, because you didn't go to a public school is some good shit, give me those herbs.

 

[schockergd]

We are, and my wife & I were both homeschooled as well.

 

[crackp0t]

I can't believe no one's brought up Gatto here.

If you think Schools are something that should NOT be burned to the ground with a passionate vengence, please learn from these 2 short videos and research more about the Prussian School system and John Taylor Gatto:

SCHOOL SUCKS: The American Way - YouTube The purpose and origins of public education - John Gatto - YouTube

There are literally a hundred different films by homeschoolers and homeschooling organizations about this subject on YouTube.

Gatto is, by the way, one of the most celebrated Teachers in american history. If anyone would know this stuff, he would.

Without public schools our welfare system would be even worse. It would be to the point we couldn't have one. Then we'd literally have people starving to death. Go spend a year or so in a low income elementary school. The majority of those kids will have parents in prison, that are crack heads, gang bangers, prostitutes, and the list goes on. If it were left up to those people to educate their kids 100% of the time we'd have a literacy rate so low we'd be considered a third world nation. The teachers in those areas do the best they can, but fail because of the shit they're given to work with. My mother has caught several 1st grade boys all dry humping a single girl. One kid needed a kidney, but his dad wouldn't give it to him even though he was on death row for killing his mother IN FRONT OF HIM. One of the kids told her about how his "uncles" always hang out in his mothers bed room with her and they give her money. Her schools "mobility" (kids that move around from place to place) of over 50%. How are you suppose to educate kids that won't even been in your school in a month? These kids are fucked from the very start and the teachers are getting blamed for it. Everyone wants to bitch about how the "rich kids" get a better education, but no one ever wants to say why. They can't point the finger at the parents and say look at them they're a waste of human flesh, because that wouldn't be politically correct. The "rich kids" school provides a better education, because they have a stable home with parents that aren't degenerates. They'll sit down and work with their kids every night and they make sure they're respectful.

My son is in kindergarten and has sight words he has to memorize. He's had almost all of the words memorized for the entire year. He did this a while back and there's kids in his class still stuck on the first couple of lists. He can do basic math as well and there's kids in his class that can't count to 100. This isn't because he's some super genius and the other kids are average or dumb. My wife and I work with him every night to make sure he's actually learning what they teach in school.

 

[lukep]

I see what's going on here.

Yup, it's true.

Homeschooled kids > Smart People > Vote Honest Ron

Prussian-Schooled kids > Dumbass simpletons > Vote Robamney

Case closed. :moon:

 

[stick2Herbs]

Because you've met so many in that elaborate study you conducted, like 1 or 2 kids?

By that logic I can say you're wrong, in my experience every person I met who was home schooled (my wife and her 2 sisters) are all social and not awkward.

And lol @ the fear of raising a kid that might be socially awkward, oh no! ..because we all know the only thing an employer cares about is how many friends you had in high school. This idea that you'll be some sort of social reject, unable to communicate, stuttering with fear and anxiety, because you didn't go to a public school is some good shit, give me those herbs.

No not 1 or 2 like 5-6 give or take. The most awkward ones give up and go back home or they join the awkward group full of 4chan gamer faggots that will never get any action from anything passable as a human being. Then again this is during highschool. I bet elementary kids could integrate better.

C'mon Dreamache you want your kid to get as much action as possible don't you?!

Also, your wife was probably fine cause she was a good looking female not an awkward, creepy quiet dude lol.

 

[dreamache]

What he's saying is there's a higher percentage of socially awkward people produced by home schooling. Just because you can prevent the child from being too sheltered doesn't mean it isn't a side effect. There's no way you'll ever compensate the socialization they get at school outside of it. They'll get some, but not the same type or quantity they get at a school.

Who says the quantity & type of socializing your average kid receives at a public school is a good thing?

The people you saw getting bullied constantly and not being able to escape it will have the same problem as adults. People will walk all over them, because they never developed the ability to stick up for themselves. Most of them are genuinely good people and I hate it when I see people taking advantage of them. The people who can learn to stick up for themselves won't learn it until later in life if they're home schooled. How many confrontations will they have to deal with where you aren't there to help them out?

Again, why is it that a public school is the only place in which a person can learn how to stick up for themselves? There are many other ways to gain that experience that doesn't involve school.

How do you purpose to teach a girl that guys will do pretty much anything to stick their dicks in them? Yeah you can tell them, but that doesn't prepare them for when a guy is actively trying to do it. I can tell you how to rebuild a carburetor, but until you actually have to do it you won't understand what I'm telling you.

That question makes no sense to me. What you're saying is my daughter needs to go to a public school so that they can learn and experience that boys/men will do anything to stick their dicks in them? That they should especially go to public school when hormones and immaturity are at their highest levels in 100's of teenage boys so that they experience it head-on and hope she doesn't get knocked up?

The primary reason girls tend to be whores comes from their upbringing. Daddy issues, daddy didn't pay enough attention to me so I'm going to seek that attention and win the affection of other boys. It has nothing to do with whether or not they go to public schools.

 

[lukep]

Without public schools...{insert Socialist Propoganda and weak Excuses here}

Dude, we get it. You support a literally NAZI institution to indoctrinate your own son while lowering his IQ and destroying his creativity, just because some of his classmates do not have the opportunities you can provide your kid.

...PARENTING FAIL!