Would you home-school your kids?
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People used to observe the sun rotate around the earth.
Not really a proof.
No one is arguing for no education, people are arguing for breaking the state monopoly on education and parents resuming their role as instructor and primary caregiver during business hours to small children.
Is it a monopoly if you're free to send your children to any number of private schools if you want to?
How can parents resume the role of instructor and primary caregiver during business hours when they are presumably at work?
It sounds like you're referring to conflict resolution, and I don't think public school is the only place in which they can put conflict resolution skills to use. I don't think it's a hard lesson to learn either, and certainly doesn't require a public schooling education. If a person is an asshole, try to reason with them, and if you can't, avoid them. Simple as that; I think you're placing too much emphasis on something that's usually not a common occurrence in every day life unless you work in a shitty environment, and in that case, get a new job.
Well you can choose to home-school and treat your kids as kidnapped victims and stow them away underneath the basement stairs, or home-school then and give them a lot of social exposure so they can have all the same experiences that public school kids have. Also, how much social interaction actually takes place in public school? I remember it wasn't all that much. 45 minutes at lunch, recess if you're a lot younger, and then very sparingly between and during classes. The most social interaction takes place after school with the friends they develop. I intend on allowing my children to have friends, socialize in groups and participate in sports (10 states allow for equal access to public school programs for home schoolers including sports, florida being one which we plan on moving to shortly).
All in all I do agree, if you're a shitty home schooling parent, I can definitely see the potential to fuck a kid up socially, but my wife n' I are both mindful of that potential and would do what it takes to avoid it. We just think all the other negatives associated with public schooling outweigh the very few positives, which can almost entirely be duplicated in other ways.
Just ask your average kid/teenager if they like school. No, they don't, and they'll give you a list of reasons why. Some just say that's expected and that's just how it is, but that's not a good enough excuse if the ability is there to address those issues (I'm referring to at least 1 parent being able to home school.) Of course if you can't home school, then there's nothing you can do about it. Ultimately I'm going to try and be mindful of what my kid wants to do and actually take them serious. If they want to go to school, fine. If they want to quit, fine. Kids can even finish high school through online programs that are just as accredited, my wife actually did during 11th/12th grade when her mom stopped home schooling at 9th grade, she couldn't write because she suffered from intersection syndrome in both wrists from playing piano. I fucking couldn't stand high school when I was there, I literally brought a small pillow to each class. We both couldn't stand school (she only spent 9th/10th in public school) so that's why we're going to at least start them out without it.
If you can't choose the curriculum yourself, then no, it is a monopoly.
Limited choice != free choice.
Rely on extended family and make prudent financial decisions.
In the current statist paradigm, people have to work around a fucked up system whose only real purpose is to create dumb workers who believe what they are told.
Alright, let's just get to the real heart of the matter here people...
If all public schools were shut down tomorrow... Those of you arguing against homeschooling are afraid of the apocalyptic situation that you imagine will happen, and those of us arguing for homeschooling are thinking: "Awesome. Just what humanity needs."
The crux of the matter is that as a society we allow, hell, incentivize, poor parenting. This is the root of the whole situation, even larger a problem than our Prussian-based indoctrination system.
If parents would only care enough to make sure that their offspring were getting all of the education that they could, then there would be no problem to talk about here.
So it's the Bad Parents that are the root of the problem, and if anyone must be made to suffer, it is the bad parents... Not the taxpayers, not the good parents, and certainly not the children of the good parents.
The correct solution for any good parent is to remove their children from the schools where bad parents exist. (which is 99.999% of them.)
Sadly this does not protect the bad parent's children from their own parents, but as a taxpayer is it right for me to pay for those bad parents' mistakes? Of course not. It's immoral.
So what is the alternative if the schools are shut down tomorrow? Do you have to watch all the bad parents' children squirm and die on the streets?
Of course not to this too... Bad Parents would suddenly be forced to watch after their own kids for a change instead of having uncle sam babysit them all day 5 days a week... Causing Parents to start taking responsibility for a change. (Or dumping their kids in an orphanage, but that's probably better for the kid anyway.)
No matter how you look at it; the right people will be forced to make hard decisions if this happens and that is always a good thing. Of course a few kids can fall through the cracks and join a gang, but far more will get a vastly superior education and make the world a better place overall.
If all public schools were shut down tomorrow... Those of you arguing against homeschooling are afraid of the apocalyptic situation that you imagine will happen, and those of us arguing for homeschooling are thinking: "Awesome. Just what humanity needs."
The crux of the matter is that as a society we allow, hell, incentivize, poor parenting. This is the root of the whole situation, even larger a problem than our Prussian-based indoctrination system.
If parents would only care enough to make sure that their offspring were getting all of the education that they could, then there would be no problem to talk about here.
So it's the Bad Parents that are the root of the problem, and if anyone must be made to suffer, it is the bad parents... Not the taxpayers, not the good parents, and certainly not the children of the good parents.
The correct solution for any good parent is to remove their children from the schools where bad parents exist. (which is 99.999% of them.)
Sadly this does not protect the bad parent's children from their own parents, but as a taxpayer is it right for me to pay for those bad parents' mistakes? Of course not. It's immoral.
So what is the alternative if the schools are shut down tomorrow? Do you have to watch all the bad parents' children squirm and die on the streets?
Of course not to this too... Bad Parents would suddenly be forced to watch after their own kids for a change instead of having uncle sam babysit them all day 5 days a week... Causing Parents to start taking responsibility for a change. (Or dumping their kids in an orphanage, but that's probably better for the kid anyway.)
No matter how you look at it; the right people will be forced to make hard decisions if this happens and that is always a good thing. Of course a few kids can fall through the cracks and join a gang, but far more will get a vastly superior education and make the world a better place overall.
Sorry, being a good parent to your child trumps all of those issues.
If you are making any decision about your child's education based upon what's best for everyone or even what's most practical, then frankly you shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
When deciding where and how to school a human being, EVERY POSSIBLE ANSWER but "the best education possible" is a FAIL and will literally make the world a worse place.
You guessed wrong. Did you see the vids I posted on our Prussian schools? If so, do you just not care that your son escapes that lunacy?
I think the problem is that 'best possible' is subjective as it's a norm defined by a social construct. Best possible for what? The child? Like people will agree on that! lol
Best possible might mean most intellectually stimulating, resulting in most well rounded child, most god fearing, most war like, most ready for employment, etc etc etc.
For me, a well brought up child yields a happy, smart, knowledgeable, self determined & adaptable adult.
I think less focus should be on 'education' (as espoused by the established school system) and more on intellectual development. A thirst for knowledge is much more important than regurgitating facts as written in chalk.
No, that's not a problem.
By 'best possible' I simply mean that you as a parent have to search hard for the very best possible education you can give your child to educate them according to your own personal standards.
If you are a "war like" person then giving them the best possible education might mean sending them to the best military school on earth.
The point is stop all EXCUSES that allow you to be a LAZY parent.
That is the root of all evil on the planet, plain and simple.
No, that's not a problem.
By 'best possible' I simply mean that you as a parent have to search hard for the very best possible education you can give your child to educate them according to your own personal beliefs.
If you are a "war like" person then giving them the best possible education might mean sending them to the best military school on earth.
The point is stop all EXCUSES that allow you to be a LAZY parent.
That is the root of all evil on the planet, plain and simple.
There is a downside to the idea of "burning the schools". Most parents are not capable of teaching a child to read, much less mathematics.
Have you SEEN the People of Walmart video?? My god, can you imagine what they'd do to children they both bare AND teach?
Fuck.
Have you SEEN the People of Walmart video?? My god, can you imagine what they'd do to children they both bare AND teach?
Fuck.
I just went over all that bro, the net gain on burning down all the schools makes a far better world because many of those ppl o walmart and inner city parents will be forced to step it up a few notches.
Right now they are being incentivized to be lazy and let uncle sam care for their kids... So why shouldn't they act that way and dress that way at walmart?
so you are content with the way government handles things. creating problems out of no problems and then claiming that they now totally have to regulate the whole mess?
80 years ago there was no such problem. there were "simple" people. they were farmers and their kids would become equally simple farmers. no problem. the only problem is nowadays everyone has to be the same. 9 totally normal children have to suffer because 1 sick piece of crap cant be left behind. srs?
the motherfucking FBI, the god that judges whats right and whats wrong, decided that sovereign citizens are terrorists. do you want to send your children to a schooling system that teaches that creativity, honesty, looking after yourself, saving for hard times, doing business, and all that is good in the world is actually evil terrorism?
just take a quick look at schools. simple minded highschool quarterbacks, wannabe gangsters and all the other scum bully "nerds". do you want your child to be hated or to end up with a shitty life? great decision to make, bro. sure, some of those highschool quarterbacks end up the next tom brady. most of them end up driving taxi, or worse. i know you act tough about that stuff because you are those retards. take a good look at what you do now. youre slinging fraud on the internet. you dont know how long it might last. maybe it lasts forever. you could just as well have become the dude at the corner that slings crack. dont believe me? what about nickycakes.
You're an idiot. I recommend you read Fallacies before you continue blathering.
Dumb. As. Fuck.
Fair enough, though as I've always believed the vast majority (90+%) of the world's population to be little more than cannon fodder, I'll continue to prefer they not teach their own children science and math.
Yeah. Except 'the best education possible' is confined to the practicalities of the parents' lives and the communities they live in.
Do tell, how is a single mother working two jobs in the ghetto not providing 'the best education possible' by sending her son to public school? How would a farmboy who wanted to be a chemist learn the math and science required for higher education if his parents can't multiply or divide? And how would removing their schools practically help the parents, their children, or their communities as a whole?
How. Please explain, in practical, realistic, programmatic terms, how this is feasible and could come to be from where we are now as a society.
Not sure why you would want the opinions of a bunch of 15-25 year old kids about this. At least you should have no problem sorting out the ones that have opinions based on nothing. Face it, people that haven't home schooled, thoroughly investigated the option or has close friends that home school probably can't give much more than assumptions and guesses.
We considered homeschooling, our son went to a university pre-school for the gifted and we had some issues when he went from there to first grade in a public school. Common was that's baby math and I'm not doing baby math, etc.
We had two neighbors that home schooled, one family had three kids, the other four. One set of kids were very normal, not socially shy or awkward and very bright. The other family the kids were bright, but odd and shy, but friendly and respectful. The oldest was musically interested and a bit of an emo. The parents of the first were normal, but a little heavy in the religion, the second were a little odd, the wife was overbearing, compulsive and controlling. I've met quite a few other home schooled kids and for the most part the appear older and more confident than their peers.
Socialization is bs, there are a lot more people home-schooling than you know. There are support groups, groups that get together for trips, sports, etc, etc. There are often families that are good at math or music or whatever that will teach. Example one mother may be a musician and a group of kids will go to her house once a week for music lessons, same for math. Home school kids can take classes at the local high school, play on sports teams, go to dances, etc.
Home school or public school doesn't make your kid the smartest or the dumbest or socially handicapped, you do. Kids don't grow up on their own, they have parents. If you are the parent it's your job FIRST, the school (public or home) second.
Some people home school because their kid has learning problems, often it's bright kids because most intelligent parents know that public schools cater to the common denominator, the don't have a lot of time for kids that fall below or above.
A lot of colleges love home school kids.
If you are going to home school find out what regulations there are in your state, they vary widely from state to state.
You'll find out that it doesn't take a full day to learn what you would in a public school in a day.
One advantage of home schooling is that you can teach in a style that your kid learns best, public schools usually can't. Some people learn better by reading, others by doing.
Again, it's not about HELPING these bad parents, it's about FORCING THEM TO STEP UP.
I fully admit the implication there that it will hurt these bad parents' children... But it's not as bad as it sounds... Some of these bad parents will get their kids in a Montessori school. Others will step up and make time to homeschool their kids, or at the very lease teach them how to teach themselves. Parents who are extremely neglectful will likely hand their children over to their own parents or to an orphanage, which sounds horrible for the children and my tax money, but the number of these is PITIFUL comparred to the numbers of kids my tax dollars are being wasted on now and still slip through the cracks.
The thing you're not taking into consideration here is that if we stop ENABLING the bad parents to keep being bad, then the culture of shitty schooling will die out.
We're so fucked now that ANY goodness would hurt... Teachers unions alone would probably cause a civil war if we tried to do something that helps the kids leave schools...
But for fun, let's try this solution, off the top of my head:
1. Start referring to all Prussian-based schools here as "Daycare." That's all they are now; (outside of the national indoctrination) so why not tell the truth about it and stop propagating the myth that allows bad parents to think they are actually Helping their child by dropping them off there 5 days a week or more.
2. States start removing funding for daycares to make them less and less useful, eventually just a large study hall with a computer terminal at each desk and an adult or two there to watch over them... Maybe a techie to keep the computers online. This should cut school budgets down 95%, and still offer more educational chances than they have now.
3. Meanwhile, states tell all parents in a major push that they have to take responsibility for their own children's education now if they can't pay for a private school. Then these parents are given a small but important booklet that shows them resources like the Khan academy, k-12.com, Ted talks, and all of the other great places online (with reviews?) to give their child an education, be it free or fee-based.
4. In time, the daycares too will be phased out as the public mindset changes... Sure some parents need to work and have their kids looked after during that time, but a new industry of youth centers can pop-up for kids to be dropped off at during this time that they can get their excersize and social life from, while meanwhile they spend the rest of their time online learning from schools like the Khan academy.
Also, kids will be maturing much faster this way, (like they do now in Asia) so after a decade of this, kids won't need to be babysat past the age of 7 or so. They will be fully capable of staying home all day with no parental supervision.
2. States start removing funding for daycares to make them less and less useful, eventually just a large study hall with a computer terminal at each desk and an adult or two there to watch over them... Maybe a techie to keep the computers online. This should cut school budgets down 95%, and still offer more educational chances than they have now.
3. Meanwhile, states tell all parents in a major push that they have to take responsibility for their own children's education now if they can't pay for a private school. Then these parents are given a small but important booklet that shows them resources like the Khan academy, k-12.com, Ted talks, and all of the other great places online (with reviews?) to give their child an education, be it free or fee-based.
4. In time, the daycares too will be phased out as the public mindset changes... Sure some parents need to work and have their kids looked after during that time, but a new industry of youth centers can pop-up for kids to be dropped off at during this time that they can get their excersize and social life from, while meanwhile they spend the rest of their time online learning from schools like the Khan academy.
Also, kids will be maturing much faster this way, (like they do now in Asia) so after a decade of this, kids won't need to be babysat past the age of 7 or so. They will be fully capable of staying home all day with no parental supervision.
Remember, if they aren't being thrown in those prison-esque complexes, then where are they going to learn all of the bad mannerisms and criminal mentality? They won't. Even in the most inner-city cesspools, kids can stay at home and become the smartest people in the world now.
This is clearly a far superior way to school this nation than what we have now; but I can't see it ever happening because the school industry, the teachers union, and other large groups are surely going to be butthurt that they are no longer needed.
But probably what's worse is that FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN keeps people from exploring these options.
The majority of homeschoolers do something called co-oping.
In a coop parents take on kids when they have a specialty. My parents are terrible at science and math. When we went together with others families great things happened. Our science teacher was a nuclear scientist, our math teacher held multiple masters in math.
In a coop parents take on kids when they have a specialty. My parents are terrible at science and math. When we went together with others families great things happened. Our science teacher was a nuclear scientist, our math teacher held multiple masters in math.