WTF is Obama talking about here?

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I wouldn't want to be like Norway or any other socialist country. I dont see any innovation from those countries. Just like Canada, most have their asses protected because of other countries.
How much innovation came out of America in the past 100 years? Heres just a couple recent ones we can relate to; Amazon, Google, Ebay, Starbucks, Microsoft, Cisco, Apple. The list goes on.... I say stick to the same principle our founding fathers created, thats what made this country so great. Our system attracts world wide the most creative and brightest people in the world, they came here because they are well rewarded for their efforts. Plus were else in the word can a person with a high school education become a millionaire entrepreneur.

Economies will have ups and downs. Looks the past 100 years, every 10-15 some shit goes down, gets corrected and were up and kicking ass again. Socialist is about being comfortable, I dont want to be comfortable. I want a house on the freaking lake and I will work my ass of to get it.
 
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I wouldn't want to be like Norway or any other socialist country. I dont see any innovation from those countries. Just like Canada, most have their asses protected because of other countries.
How much innovation came out of America in the past 100 years? Heres just a couple recent ones we can relate to; Amazon, Google, Ebay, Starbucks, Microsoft, Cisco, Apple. The list goes on.... I say stick to the same principle our founding fathers created, thats what made this country so great. Our system attracts world wide the most creative and brightest people in the world, they came here because they are well rewarded for their efforts. Plus were else in the word can a person with a high school education become a millionaire entrepreneur.

Economies will have ups and downs. Looks the past 100 years, every 10-15 some shit goes down, gets corrected and were up and kicking ass again. Socialist is about being comfortable, I dont want to be comfortable. I want a house on the freaking lake and I will work my ass of to get it.

No need to work brother! Just like the Obamabot stated on that interview "we wont have to work, we wont have to buy gas and we wont have to pay a mortgage payment" Hell we can all sit in our FEMA trailors all day, drink 40s and watch Springer. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!
 
What the fuck is Obama talking about here

YouTube - Obama civilian national security force.

This motherfucker is scary. This is what Hitler fuckin did under the mask of "change and hope"
So he wants to spend what we are allready spending on our millitary, on a civillian "brown shirt" force. Why do we need a civillian force as powerful as the US millitary?????

I never in a million years thought I would see this kind of shit comming from the mouth of a Presidential candidate. As a veteran; I can say that I am fucking ashamed of what this country has degraded too. If I would have known I was figting in a fuckin god forsaken desert for people like this; I would have deserted to Canada.

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This has nothing to do with what Obama was speaking about in his speech. Sure creating an organization to help old people cross is road is fine but Obama is stating that this organization will be as powerful, as strong and as funded as well as the US military.

How does the article from the Chicago Tribue have nothing to do with the 16-second extract of Obama's speech? Do you think the party's policies and plans regarding national security have changed since July? Don't you know that you can't rip a sixteen-second phrase out of context and then ask the question "what was he thinking"?

I linked to just one source which answers your question, regardless of your question being out of place, polemic, and inaccurate.

The speeches that are being held in a political race take a given party's policy as the basement and build up on it. Stories, if you will. Notice my pun.

This is true for every speech, because the aim of a speech is not to discuss politics but to win people for your cause. I will repeat myself: This is true for every speech that is being held - meaning McCain and Palin also, and every other person holding a public speech.

Of course this opens these public personalities up to criticism which is aimed at what they say. But what is said is only a paraphrase of a policy that has been decided upon a while back. This policy is being described in the article I linked to above. And as you can see, your hero McCain has similar views. But his campaign is weighted differently - e.g. attacking Obama to distract from a lack of strong political policies and ideas on his side.

We could go deeper into this, but let me just ask you this: Why is McCain & Co. attacking Obama so often, instead of talking about what they would do if they get elected? Are they trying to hide something?

It's because they have nothing to answer to the arguments Obama makes. It's marketing. Obama's campaign touched people right from the start. "Vote for Change" is EXACTLY what they needed to hear. This is great marketing. The Republicans, on the other hand, were still half asleep when this claim came out. They had to come up with something real quick, and the difference between a political campaign and marketing is only that in the former, you may do a few things that you may not in the latter. Among these things is making statements about your competition without backing them up.

So due to a lack of

a) better arguments,
b) a general marketing strategy,
c) better issue policies,

this is what the Republican Party did:

- they acquired Palin to be McCain's running mate ("people WANT change, this black guy IS change by nature, how can we also communicate "change"? AH, a woman! That's a new turn. That's change. Plus, we'll get the American women to vote for her because they can identify with her"). This was not so much because she is qualified to do the job but because of her gender.

- they ventured into an offensive position in the tone of their campaign. This, usually, has several advantages for the offender:
-- an attack can distract from the fact that they have nothing of substance to counter some very good statements of the opponent
-- the general scare tactics that have been employed for such a long time by the current administration have seeded the soil for such attacks, raising hatred and fear of the supposedly unknown

As great and to-the-point as the democratic claim ("Vote for Change") is, it also offers a huge surface for attacks. That's because humankind is generally afraid of change. It's against our nature. The Republicans saw this and abused it, thus successfully distracting from the fact that Obama is far better known in public, as well as possesses more integrity and experience, than e.g. Palin, who constantly escapes every single question she is being asked. If we want to talk about "not knowing who he is", we should ask the same question about her.

The bottom line is: This is marketing. A speech is an element of public relations. Look for the issues instead when you vote, knowing that the President is not the end all, be all, but merely the public face of a party. The party runs the country, and big business owns pecentages of both parties.

Only that, by nature, this percentage is higher for the Republicans, as their policies are more beneficial for big business than the Democrats' are. Think about it.

I don't know why I give you the audience here popeye - this has been discussed over and over here -, I'm sure you're a nice guy, too, but if you post excerpts of a speech and ask questions like these, my better half comes out and I would like to take you by the hand like a little child and show you the world.
 
@bobsoap - why are you arguing with Americans who don't even own passports about these issues? Would you argue the rules of grammar with an illiterate?

BTW, thanks again for the code suggestions!
 
I wouldn't want to be like Norway or any other socialist country. I dont see any innovation from those countries. Just like Canada, most have their asses protected because of other countries.
How much innovation came out of America in the past 100 years? Heres just a couple recent ones we can relate to; Amazon, Google, Ebay, Starbucks, Microsoft, Cisco, Apple. The list goes on.... I say stick to the same principle our founding fathers created, thats what made this country so great. Our system attracts world wide the most creative and brightest people in the world, they came here because they are well rewarded for their efforts. Plus were else in the word can a person with a high school education become a millionaire entrepreneur.

Economies will have ups and downs. Looks the past 100 years, every 10-15 some shit goes down, gets corrected and were up and kicking ass again. Socialist is about being comfortable, I dont want to be comfortable. I want a house on the freaking lake and I will work my ass of to get it.

You're an idiot. You've never been to a socialist country, you can't define socialism and it's people like you who make Europeans think we American expaters are dumb uncultured fucks who truly are clueless and classless.


"SCARY EUROPEAN SOCIALISM"........
FACT:
Average poverty rate in Finland, Sweden, Norway - approx. 5-8%
(Poverty - MSN Encarta)

FACT:
"
Last year, the number of dollar millionaires in Sweden rose to a record high 50,000"

With A population of about 9 million, that means that about .5% of Swedes are millionaires - DOLLAR MILLIONAIRES.

"THE CURRENT 8 YEARS"

FACT
the debt has doubled, the deficit has doubled; When a more centrist Clinton was in power,

"The poverty rate exceeded 12 percent every year from 1980 to 1998. As the economy grew from 1993 to 2000, the rate plunged, to 11.3 percent from 15.1 percent, and the poverty rolls were reduced by 7.7 million people, to 31.6 million."

UNDER BUSH (and his pall McCain whom he voted with 90% of the time)

"Of the 32.9 million poor people in the United States last year, 11.7 million were under 18, and 3.4 million were 65 or older. Poverty rates for children, 16.3 percent, and the elderly, 10.1 percent, were virtually unchanged from 2000. But the poverty rate for people 18 to 64 rose a half percentage point, to 10.1 percent."

NUMBER OF PEOPLE LIVING IN POVERTY INCREASES IN U.S. - New York Times


FACT
According to the World Wealth Report, the definitive guide to UHNWI (don't worry about the acronym, you'll probably never get there....) approx. 1% of Americans are millionaires.

Capgemini U.S. | World Wealth Report


So let's recap the facts.

Under what you call "socialism" we have:


  • Virtually nobody living in poverty (5-8%)
  • 50,000+ millionaires (5%) in a country of only 9 million people


    Under unregulated laisse faire capitalism we have :
  • 30+ million people in poverty (most of them not 40 ounce or burrito eating "minorities", but plain apple pie eating Joe the plumber types)
  • 1% of the population worth 1 million or more which is actually nothing less than double that of the "socialist" country

    I can go on and on about how $500,000 won't buy you a piece of sidewalk in Georgetown or the East side of New York while that same hunk of change can buy you a place in Helsinki, Oslo or Stockholm. that would cost AT LEAST $10,000,000 in Georgetown (DC), Beacon Hill (MA), the Upper East Side (NYC) , Tribeca, Fayetteville or Buckhead in Georgia, etc....
  • I could also go on and on about how slightly higher taxes give first generation college grads in a place like Sweden a chance to go to a top University without shouldering debt, but I won't....


    Please stop acting like the typical low-information American who believes everything on TV just like Europeans think all Americans drink Bud light, have never been to a museum and often marry their first cousin if they happen to live south of the Mason Dixon line.


    Thank You.



    PS
    I usually try to avoid these kinds of personal attacks but this kind of ignorance has really cost us our reputation abroad.....
 
1. There are more millionaires because there is more inflation.

2. Sweden, Finland and Norway are not a useful sample of the entire world.

3.
Under unregulated laisse faire capitalism we have :
Uhm, this is fallacious. Unregulated laissez faire would mean no taxes. No licenses. No government mandates or requirements. No federal agencies like FDA, Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of Agriculture etc. No business licenses, no legal incorporation. No education mandates (No Child Left Behind), no Civil Rights Act.

No Department of Health, no Federal Reserve, No IRS, no CIA, no FBI, No Dept. of Education, No Community Reinvestment Act.

No pensions (social security), no health care (no medicare, no medicaid).

No ATF, no DEA, no War on Drugs, no War in Iraq, no War on Terror, and no War on Poverty. No war on illiteracy.

Now is that is the America you are familiar with?

I usually try to avoid these kinds of personal attacks but this kind of ignorance has really cost us our reputation abroad.....

In the future, just avoid them please.

Btw, health care?

Affordable Health Care

You're an ideologue. When you post something as blatantly inaccurate as "unregulated laisse faire capitalism" you're trolling.

I didn't even go through your whole post. There is so little value in it, it's amazing the hubris you have that you call other people idiots.
 
@riddarhusetgal

Here's an interesting piece of information.
WINNING ANCESTRY GROUPS IN AMERICA (Highest Millionaire ratio in America)
1st Russian - 22% (22 of 100 are estimated to have million or more net worth. Most are manager-owners of businesses)
2nd Scots - 20.5%
3rd Hungarian - 19.5%
(article from a NYtimes study of millionaires in American by Thomas J Stanley who wrote a book about American millionaires) http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html
They concluded from this study. The longer an ancestry group has been in America the lower the ratio.

I know a millionaire inst what it used to be (inflation). But heres the point. Take all these exceptional millionaire ancestry groups and put them back to their original countries (socialist-post communist). I guaranty you these high ratios will drop like a rock. What this tells me, is America has opportunities for people that want them and see them. In general people are pretty comfortable here, and even in this bad economy we live like no other country.
I personally belong to the Russian ancestry group, and see a shit load of opportunities. My mind is always working. If you're blind to this then maybe a comfortable socialist government is good for you.
You said lots of shit in your long ass post, but most of was it simply shit. I have friends that come and visit me from Europe and Russia. I happen to be the only one in his early twenties that actually has a nice house. Here's what they tell me. Younger people with college degrees have to sweep floors for a living because there is no jobs (unless your a Dad knows somebody). A couple in Germany doesn't even have car, and I drive a BMW made in Germany. You American fool you dont even know what you have.
 
Younger people with college degrees have to sweep floors for a living because there is no jobs (unless your a Dad knows somebody). A couple in Germany doesn't even have car,


This is exactly what will happen to America if obama wins.
 
@riddarhusetgal

Here's an interesting piece of information.
WINNING ANCESTRY GROUPS IN AMERICA (Highest Millionaire ratio in America)
1st Russian - 22% (22 of 100 are estimated to have million or more net worth. Most are manager-owners of businesses)
2nd Scots - 20.5%
3rd Hungarian - 19.5%
(article from a NYtimes study of millionaires in American by Thomas J Stanley who wrote a book about American millionaires) http://www.nytimes.com/books/first/s/stanley-millionaire.html
They concluded from this study. The longer an ancestry group has been in America the lower the ratio.

I know a millionaire inst what it used to be (inflation). But heres the point. Take all these exceptional millionaire ancestry groups and put them back to their original countries (socialist-post communist). I guaranty you these high ratios will drop like a rock. What this tells me, is America has opportunities for people that want them and see them. In general people are pretty comfortable here, and even in this bad economy we live like no other country.
I personally belong to the Russian ancestry group, and see a shit load of opportunities. My mind is always working. If you're blind to this then maybe a comfortable socialist government is good for you.
You said lots of shit in your long ass post, but most of was it simply shit. I have friends that come and visit me from Europe and Russia. I happen to be the only one in his early twenties that actually has a nice house. Here's what they tell me. Younger people with college degrees have to sweep floors for a living because there is no jobs (unless your a Dad knows somebody). A couple in Germany doesn't even have car, and I drive a BMW made in Germany. You American fool you dont even know what you have.

First of all, I apologize for calling you an idiot. May I have your apology?

The more appropriate word is "ignorant" meaning unaware of the facts. I presented you with facts and logical arguments. Most people here are so emotionally tied to their dogmatic opinions that they can't argue logically.

If you disagree with what I have written, please show me the flaws in my logic. But disagreeing with it based on what you feel emotionally tied to won't cut it.

Please think about it for a second....

The reason why Obama will be president and McCain won't is because the people down the middle listen to facts and logic not emotional rhetoric.

If you can disprove any of the premises I presented above, please show them to me. I will be more than happy to change my opinions.
 
  • 50,000+ millionaires (5%) in a country of only 9 million people

Sounds like someone needs to work on their math, I think you forgot a zero somewhere.

Seriously though, for numbers to be cold hard FACTS .... they can sure be distorted to tell whatever story you want them to.

To sum it up, you failed miserably and came across as a pouting adolescent.
 
I agree popeye I cant believe that people think that this guys "change" is actually going to help them. What obama is going to do is push this country over the cliff into Communism. Unfortunately people dont know what happened during the soviet union. Socialism and communsim dont work, it has never worked and it will never work; this is why the soviet union collapsed.

Socialism works to an extent. Do you really think the system the US have in now or will ever have will be flawless?
 
1. There are more millionaires because there is more inflation.

2. Sweden, Finland and Norway are not a useful sample of the entire world.

3. Uhm, this is fallacious. Unregulated laissez faire would mean no taxes. No licenses. No government mandates or requirements. No federal agencies like FDA, Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Commerce, Dept. of Agriculture etc. No business licenses, no legal incorporation. No education mandates (No Child Left Behind), no Civil Rights Act.

No Department of Health, no Federal Reserve, No IRS, no CIA, no FBI, No Dept. of Education, No Community Reinvestment Act.

No pensions (social security), no health care (no medicare, no medicaid).

No ATF, no DEA, no War on Drugs, no War in Iraq, no War on Terror, and no War on Poverty. No war on illiteracy.

Now is that is the America you are familiar with?



In the future, just avoid them please.

Btw, health care?

Affordable Health Care

You're an ideologue. When you post something as blatantly inaccurate as "unregulated laisse faire capitalism" you're trolling.

I didn't even go through your whole post. There is so little value in it, it's amazing the hubris you have that you call other people idiots.

You're being childish and silly dear - calling names is utterly unnecessary.

Have you actually collected enough data points to be able to conclude I'm an ideologue?

Do you even know what laisse faire capitalism (LFC) is officially defined as? Or, were you watching cartoons on Fox news when the god-father of LFC greenspan openly admitted on C-Span about two weeks ago what I just contended above? Of course you were....


I apologized for calling the fellow an idiot but I stand by my contention that far too many of us Americans make suppositions about countries and economic systems for which we have very little knowledge about.

Anyone who has ever experienced democratic socialism will tell you that it has its advantages and disadvantages and is not as bad as those idiots on the extreme extreme right would have the masses believe.

It's just as Bill Maher said yesterday, Joe the plumber gets tricked into believing he'll be taxed for money he'll never end up making in the first place....

So why don't you run along and watch Fox news while I read the Atlantic.

Enjoy your week and next time don't project your obvious biases for or against any economic system on to someone. You obviously assumed that I was an ultra-hard leaning leftie when that couldn't be any further from the truth. What I am is open minded enough to realize that laisse faire capitalism - in its rawest form - is as dangerous as unchecked socialism. Extreme right and extreme left are just that - both extreme.

This is why you have conservatives in the world like William F. Buckeley, Jr. being honest about the upcoming elections and idiots like the Palin crowd who will be the death of the moderate republican, socially conscious wing of the republican party with whom I have some affection.

It's the folks who react to Fox News' cries of "socialist! communist!" even though it is something they've never experienced and know very little of.


By the way, now that you've sufficiently corrected my knowledge of economic theory, you can official join the ranks of IM-marketers-turned-uber-tutors come Hillary Term -
Department of Economics Home Page
http://www.ox.ac.uk/ . PM me for an alumni rec.....

Way to go sport!
 
By the way for all you supposed conservatives, do you know who William F. Buckley is or his offspring Christopher who had the guts to come out and be honest?

Why don't you turn off Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Fox news and try reading something written by non-brainwashed conservatives or not written in big letters:
Sorry, Dad, I'm Voting for Obama - The Daily Beast

“You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.” - William F Buckeley
 
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