WW3 begins

qqbot said:
I would also like to know how sure you are that the MIC is starting these wars for profit, as opposed to insane cultist assholes starting them because they feel like they need to kill shia's/sunni's/jews/christians/etc. to get into heaven and bang a harem of virgins.
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Basic common sense. I mean, this one couldn't be any more blaringly obvious. Really, ISIS now owns a massive swath of land, is apparently running oil fields and selling ~$3mm/day in oil, they're well organized, efficient, have entire political, judicial, military, and execute hierarchies in place, are building infrastructure like crazy, providing aid to civilians, have a large intelligence network that's large enough to out agents from other Middle Eastern intelligence agencies, and the list goes on.

They managed to put together a group this in a couple years, starting from a rag-tag group of Syrian rebels? Not likely. They had some help along the way.

Thing I love the most is watching the media report on it. You turn on one news report, and it's about how ISIS are barbaric savages still living in the 9th century, beheading people, shitting in a pot in a cave, and things like that. Then you press the "Channel Up" button on your remote, and it's all about how intelligent, coordinated, organized, and sophisticated ISIS is, and how we absolutely must have a coalition of a dozen or more countries to invade the Middle East yet again to stomp out this threat.

Take your fucken pick media, because you can't have both! Well, actually you've proven you can have both, but that doesn't make it right!
 


qqbot said:
I don't wish for it, but I don't really see what else there is to do either.
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I actually proposed something to do about it above, but it doesn't seem like anyone on this thread cares enough to consider it. Sigh.


qqbot said:
Also, I am pretty sure that diddling kids, taking slaves, beheading homosexuals and people who have sex out of wedlock does absolutely nothing to stop western military attacks.
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Nor to start. That shit is so far away from the USSA that it's amusing to make this connection. They've certainly got morality problems among them, especially their horrible religious kooks, but I see people as individuals and It's wrong to bomb the moral people over there even if it isn't wrong to bomb the immoral ones... And 1 bomb takes out a lot of people these days.



qqbot said:
I would also like to know how sure you are that the MIC is starting these wars for profit, as opposed to insane cultist assholes starting them because they feel like they need to kill shia's/sunni's/jews/christians/etc. to get into heaven and bang a harem of virgins.
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Well, First Eisenhower told us so, then Kennedy told us so, (kinda) then a never-ending flood of wars and military actions popped up one after another around the world, most in south america before Israel got so involved... One of them was in VietNam, which we started by sinking our own battleship in the Gulf of Tonkin, and that false flag is fully uncovered & admitted now.

Until the 1990s it was very rare for us to go make war in the middle east... I guess it's more profitable to do it there now.
 
lukep said:
I have yet to meet a person who thinks ISIS is a legit terrorist organization. I know I don't get out much, but literally, not a single person. Everyone is either firmly in the "Another CIA fake enemy" camp or has their own beliefs about it, like Israelis in disguise or a it being a total fake to stir up tensions with russia... Literally no one believes they are a threat to the US. (But most believe the white house is.)

Our problem in this modern age is that even if 99% of the public believes X, the MSM tells us all that the majority of us believe Y, and if you don't believe Y then you are in the minority and should go buy another tinfoil hat.

This is precisely what stopped Ron Paul from winning in fact.

What we really need is a foolproof way to show the world exactly what everyone thinks on such subjects... Not some mere poll, but an infallible way to easily gather real opinions... Something to make polls obsolete.

The infallible part is easy; just base it on a blockchain. Every 'vote' would be a transaction on a distributed, shared ledger. But the hard part is getting the masses to cooperate... And then stopping them from voting more than once.

If any of you marketing hotshots can figure out how to do that, I am pretty sure that you will easily find all the funding you need to make such a project into a reality and therefore stop the MSM from telling the public what to believe anymore on big issues like this.
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I view them as a legit terrorist organization, they may not be as firmly ingrained into society as Hezbollah but they are a growing threat. On top of that, there are many Europeans and Americans fighting for them, people can who travel to the United States without having to go through the visa screening, which is why the White House is concerned. The people who were part of ISIS and have returned to their origin countries to carry out attacks like what happened in France a few months ago.
 
SHGDigitalMedia said:
I view them as a legit terrorist organization, they may not be as firmly ingrained into society as Hezbollah but they are a growing threat. On top of that, there are many Europeans and Americans fighting for them, people can who travel to the United States without having to go through the visa screening, which is why the White House is concerned. The people who were part of ISIS and have returned to their origin countries to carry out attacks like what happened in France a few months ago.
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WOW, really???

That makes you the first. Congrats.

So, if you don't mind me asking, what evidence did you use to conclude that they even exist with? How can you tell that they are a legit threat and not some hokey CIA creation?
 
lukep said:
Until the 1990s it was very rare for us to go make war in the middle east... I guess it's more profitable to do it there now.
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War is profitable no matter where it happens, it probably has more to do with how easy it is to stir up shit in the area, since the people there seem to hate their neighbours for all kinds of stupid reasons and also have a culture and history of brutal violence and generally horrific shit.

The solution you proposed is both good and bad, I'm actually playing around, trying to design an algo for doing something like that right now, and intend to write a white paper about it someday when I have time. The problems with it you pointed out are really the easy ones to solve, there is more to it, but it is way, way outside the scope of this thread. Feel free to PM me about it if you want me to talk about it, it will probably bore the shit out of you though.

If you just give people a forum for bitching and moaning, the best you can really expect is more demographic trolling and omnibus fuckery, which is basically what is fucking the western world up already...

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qqbot said:
The problems with it you pointed out are really the easy ones to solve, there is more to it, but it is way, way outside the scope of this thread.
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How is convincing the entire nation to take a complex action like 'download something and vote' the easy part to solve? Are you thinking of a bribe of some kind?
 
lukep said:
How is convincing the entire nation to take a complex action like 'download something and vote' the easy part to solve? Are you thinking of a bribe of some kind?
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No, not at all.

The problem is taking all that information and turning it into something that is useful. As it is, that sort of information is really great if you just want to manipulate people, but if you really want to change things, you have also got to prove that the people who vote for stupid things are fucking stupid.

That's really the root of the problem.

Politicians, or at least the advertising companies they hire to promote them already put a huge amount of effort into getting accurate poll data and focus group feedback and stuff, but they use the data they get to manipulate people, because that's all you can really use it for unless you find a way to separate the signal from the noise, or in this case, the dumb shit from the sensible.

It's a mathematical problem, you basically have to perform a kind of regression analysis on something that you can't really get an accurate measure of...
 
lukep said:
WOW, really???

That makes you the first. Congrats.

So, if you don't mind me asking, what evidence did you use to conclude that they even exist with? How can you tell that they are a legit threat and not some hokey CIA creation?
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The interviews with people living under their control, the videos of them chopping heads off, the pictures of them mowing down civilians and soldiers should be pretty significant indication of their existence. As for if they are a legit threat, I think when you state that your goal is a worldwide caliphate, then amass thousands of fighters and control land, along with nearly a billion dollars and nuclear materials then yes you are a legit threat.

If you don't think they exist or are a threat, then grab a camera and head to Southern Syria or northern Iraq and interview the people holding the severed heads, we'll see how that turns out for you.
 
This is 4 part recipe in no particular order. No matter what story the news creates just remember one of these is behind it.

1. Oil
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2. Afghanistan Minerals
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3. Opium Poppy
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4. Central Banking
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evo190 said:
This is 4 part recipe in no particular order. No matter what story the news creates just remember one of these is behind it.

1. Oil
us-soldiers-desert-burning-oil-field.jpg


2. Afghanistan Minerals
A-U.S.-soldier-keeps-watc-001.jpg


3. Opium Poppy
opium-field.jpg


4. Central Banking
ba8.jpg
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I think you forgot to put democracy in your list?
 
evo190 said:
This is 4 part recipe in no particular order. No matter what story the news creates just remember one of these is behind it.

*giant fucking pictures no one wants to scroll past twice*
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That is a really simplistic and stupid way of looking at things. Did you ever think that maybe your flippant arrogance towards U.S. foreign policy is just another kind of ideological stupidity? Something that you have been deliberately manipulated into thinking?

Have you ever tried reading books that people who actually know what the fuck is going on in the world write? How about books by people who have actually been responsible for dictating U.S. foreign policy?

Amazon.ca: brzezinski: Books

It is a little more complex than a bunch of greedy assholes trying to fuck people over and make money. I know you would rather blame them than put any kind of effort into actually figuring out the truth, and I'm not saying the truth is anything nice, but you are just being silly and dumb as fuck if you actually think that way.
 
qqbot said:
That is a really simplistic and stupid way of looking at things. Did you ever think that maybe your flippant arrogance towards U.S. foreign policy is just another kind of ideological stupidity? Something that you have been deliberately manipulated into thinking?

Have you ever tried reading books that people who actually know what the fuck is going on in the world write? How about books by people who have actually been responsible for dictating U.S. foreign policy?

Amazon.ca: brzezinski: Books

It is a little more complex than a bunch of greedy assholes trying to fuck people over and make money. I know you would rather blame them than put any kind of effort into actually figuring out the truth, and I'm not saying the truth is anything nice, but you are just being silly and dumb as fuck if you actually think that way.
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Please, enlighten me and the rest of us. All I got from this was: silly, stupid, fuck, dumb. That's it.
 
Former CIA Contractor Speaks Out on Syria: “It’s Suicide…We’re Not Going to Come Out of This Alive.”

Exclusive: Former CIA Contractor Speaks Out on Syria:

Former CIA contractor Steven Kelley tells Benswann.com that ISIS is a "wide open secret" and confirms that the CIA has been training and arming ISIS and rebel groups. He and paints a grim picture of what may happen in Syria and predicts that this new war will spiral out of control, turning into World War 3.

"We're not going to come out of this alive," said Kelley.
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War is an endless rebill with no cancellation policy. Exclusive offer too, bastards won't let just anybody sign up and run traffic.
 
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