You're Going To Die

allco said:
She replied that it was "3 WEEKS LATER and you almost died."
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So it sounds like he collapsed and went into some sort of a coma? He didn't actually die at all, so it would make sense that he didn't see anything "after death".

People that have true "near death experiences" actually die. They may even be pronounced dead, lost in the operating room, and then are brought back to life by doctors and technology.
 


parrot head said:
Has anyone read the bible? It says people once lived to 700+ years old, whether that is in our standard year or not can questioned?
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There also is a theme of degeneration. For the most part, each generation after Adam lived a shorter life. There are exceptions but for the most part the trend heavily curves downward.

Adam 930
Seth 912
Enosh 905
Kenan 910
Mahalalel 895
Jared 962
Methuselah 969
Lamech 777
Noah 950
Shem 600
Arpachshad 438
Shelah 433
Eber 464
Peleg 239
Reu 239
Serug 230
Nahor 148
Terah 205
Abraham 175
Moses 120

Religious teachings keep going back to the theme that humankind is in a fallen state. Also note that Adam talked to God, but as time went on people lost their link with divinity. At this point God seems to speak no longer because we can no longer receive it.

Personally I’m unsure if the science we know can save us. Perhaps the real problem is we are spiritually bankrupt.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
Have you ever talked to anybody that has gone through it?
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Yes. She's about 85 now, and had a heart attack that day about 25 years ago. Irene was clinically dead until they revived her in the hospital.

She remembers feeling very peaceful while entering a tunnel. There was the light, but she didn't reach it. Somebody told her she has to go back, remembered a dragging sensation, and awoke in the hospital.

I know this woman for years, and she's not one to express religious sentiment at all, or to make up stories. She was very matter-of-fact about it, like she was describing about a day trip.

I'm basically an Agnostic, and would like to believe this was a real place she went to because she died, and not a product of opiates flooding the brain when death nears, etc. Because I lack religious convictions, there's always a bit of doubt, but that's the story.
 
Bombastic said:
I'm not scared of dying a natural death at the end of a fulfilling life. Everybody dies, so it can't be a bad thing. I don't think that anything goes away when you die. Energy and matter don't just cease to exist, they change form. I don't know what happens to consciousness, maybe the consciousness of your one personality all gets distributed amongst other beings and you become part of lots of other personalities. Maybe it gets reincarnated. Who knows?

Think of all the billions of people who have lived and died. It must serve some purpose. Nature is the only real genius there is, so I trust it to do what it wants with me.
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Nature is a chemical reaction at the local scale of earth.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
So it sounds like he collapsed and went into some sort of a coma? He didn't actually die at all, so it would make sense that he didn't see anything "after death".

People that have true "near death experiences" actually die. They may even be pronounced dead, lost in the operating room, and then are brought back to life by doctors and technology.
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Brain aneurysm - happened to a guy I worked with. One day he just collapsed. He had emergency surgery and woke up a month later.

He spent the better part of a year learning to walk again. If you met him now you'd never know.

Most of the "near death experiences" I've ever heard about are very similar to what happens to people who start to suffocate or get certain recreational drugs into their system. The brain begins to starve for oxygen and basically doesn't work right.
 
Roundabout said:
To be put on my tombstone:

"Here lies a man
who loved to spam,
Filled his coffers,
with Continuity Offers,
Put himself on the map,
Fought the Google slap,
Switched to media buys,
Wrote Farticles full of lies.
Banked, Balled,
Climbed the money tree,
Fined $5 million by the FTC,
Lost his direction,
Couldnt pay for his internet connection,
Died from an h1n1 flu-shot injection."
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hahhaaha
 
zimok said:
You're going to die one day, and all the money in the world won't save you.

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I'm personally not afraid of dieing, and am an outright non-believer to any emotionally satisfying anecdotes and fables concerning my existence and aftermath. Emotion has evolutionary roots, it is not a basis which one can derive accurate truths from.

Appreciate life for what it truly is, give it your best shot, and die. Your death, my death, the death of the faithful, or of the criminal is all equally part of the same process. There's no afterlife, valid religion or superior outlook on life, what you believe is what is for you and you alone. I make these claims because they are my reality, I will not become complacent if I neglect to delusion myself with . What's yours?
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i once was convinced that there is no t after life....

but after seeing a few things im now convinced i was completely wrong.
 
Roundabout said:
To be put on my tombstone:

"Here lies a man
who loved to spam,
Filled his coffers,
with Continuity Offers,
Put himself on the map,
Fought the Google slap,
Switched to media buys,
Wrote Farticles full of lies.
Banked, Balled,
Climbed the money tree,
Fined $5 million by the FTC,
Lost his direction,
Couldnt pay for his internet connection,
Died from an h1n1 flu-shot injection."
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Love this one.
 
ok, the knowitall skeptics here, explain this for me:

one guy is having open heart surgery, he is out of it COMPLETELY, eyes closed and covered COMPLETELY .....

the guy almost died . When he was brought back he described the whole damn operating room , what the doctor said, how the doctor moved, the tools he used and he saw himself from the ceiling looking down...


this is not an only case, any explanation for this?
 
fvaldes said:
ok, the knowitall skeptics here, explain this for me:

one guy is having open heart surgery, he is out of it COMPLETELY, eyes closed and covered COMPLETELY .....

the guy almost died . When he was brought back he described the whole damn operating room , what the doctor said, how the doctor moved, the tools he used and he saw himself from the ceiling looking down...


this is not an only case, any explanation for this?
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Nope.
 
SUP3RNOVA said:
So it sounds like he collapsed and went into some sort of a coma? He didn't actually die at all, so it would make sense that he didn't see anything "after death".

People that have true "near death experiences" actually die. They may even be pronounced dead, lost in the operating room, and then are brought back to life by doctors and technology.
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Yeah, I know... I just thought to throw it in the discussion because i just happened to see the guy, same day.

It was pneumonia, and his lungs collapsed. Was unconcious for 3 weeks. Still the same douche as ever though, no brain damage done.
 
Jesus there are quite a few philosophical threads going on here lately. I would not have expected it from here but I guess eventually all "Shooting the Shit" forums will have them.

Personally I'm a materialist atheist who's scared of death. I think it's funny how some think fearing death is some kind of bad thing that we should avoid. Like it's some weakness in character. But I think it's natural, unavoidable, and less self-deceptive if you just admit you're scared shitless of death.

I'm not a druidic atheist as I call them.. who tend to think of nature as something beautiful and some of them even seem to worship the awe of nature. And one day they hope to become a part of nature as a piece of dirt!

Personally, I think mother nature is an Indian-giving whore. And if I could, I'd put on my wife-beater and slap that bitch around. Not that I should really be personifying nature :).

And I'm not a star-trek atheist, who thinks science is going to give me infinite life. I used to hope for this, but realized how wrong futurists are usually, and realized how dumb humans are.

Trans-humanism and nature-worshiping are just ways of making yourself feel better about the most horrifying thing we'll ever experience - erasure.

But of course if I can get some extra years through some life extension tech I'll be happy about it.
 
fvaldes said:
ok, the knowitall skeptics here, explain this for me:

one guy is having open heart surgery, he is out of it COMPLETELY, eyes closed and covered COMPLETELY .....

the guy almost died . When he was brought back he described the whole damn operating room , what the doctor said, how the doctor moved, the tools he used and he saw himself from the ceiling looking down...


this is not an only case, any explanation for this?
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Simple, it's not true, people lie ALL the time, I thought most people on Wickedfire knew that? Anecdotes are totally unreliable, study after study has shown this.
 
What REALLY freaks me out is not existing. The thought of death on it's own doesn't really scare me. The thought of not ... being ... freaks me the fuck out.

I do think there is something else. In that, after this body ceases to function, I'll still be. Where and what, I really don't know.
 
fvaldes said:
i have read that already. That explains some cases, but UNIQUE cases like the one I posted. There are no explanation for those....
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I suggest you read this,

[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle-Dark/dp/0345409469]Amazon.com: The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark (9780345409461): Carl Sagan, Ann Druyan: Books[/ame]

It's very important to be skeptical about 'unique' accounts. Just look at all the people the church made Saints for because of 'miracles'. People just tell what other people want to hear sometimes.

Line me up 100 hardcore atheists who all report the same experience and have very dissimilar lifestyles from around the globe, then you might be on to something. Even then, what we're on the trail about is probably just how the brain works and has no supernatural bearing what so ever.
 
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