You're Going To Die

zimok said:
I suggest you read this,

Amazon.com: The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark (9780345409461): Carl Sagan, Ann Druyan: Books

It's very important to be skeptical about 'unique' accounts. Just look at all the people the church made Saints for because of 'miracles'. People just tell what other people want to hear sometimes.

Line me up 100 hardcore atheists who all report the same experience and have very dissimilar lifestyles from around the globe, then you might be on to something. Even then, what we're on the trail about is probably just how the brain works and has no supernatural bearing what so ever.
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I will say this. When a person dies, the pineal gland releases DMT. The same process that happens when you sleep, not the same amount obviously. Even then, the fact that most of the accounts of near-death experiences are similar is something that makes me wonder.
 


BlueYonder said:
Yes. She's about 85 now, and had a heart attack that day about 25 years ago. Irene was clinically dead until they revived her in the hospital.

She remembers feeling very peaceful while entering a tunnel. There was the light, but she didn't reach it. Somebody told her she has to go back, remembered a dragging sensation, and awoke in the hospital.

I know this woman for years, and she's not one to express religious sentiment at all, or to make up stories. She was very matter-of-fact about it, like she was describing about a day trip.

I'm basically an Agnostic, and would like to believe this was a real place she went to because she died, and not a product of opiates flooding the brain when death nears, etc. Because I lack religious convictions, there's always a bit of doubt, but that's the story.
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My great-grandmother had the exact same experience. Although she said there were colors she had never seen before (imagine that???) and that the sheer being back to her body was pain in and of it's self because the opposite was so painLESS. There is no doubt in my mind this woman was telling the truth as she saw it. So the only other possible explanations are that 1) it's true and there is some sort of existence after death or 2) some sort of weird synopsis, dream like weird thing happens when we die.

I think that Atheism is much more likely than anything we've ever conceived of as being a reality. In otherwords, to say that you know exactly what to expect (any religious belief ) is a big fucking joke. That being said, Agnostic is the only real option because there is so much more that we cannot possibly conceive of.
 
BluuueJammm said:
Simple, it's not true, people lie ALL the time, I thought most people on Wickedfire knew that? Anecdotes are totally unreliable, study after study has shown this.
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hmmm how cannot be true when the guy described this shit while under it?
 
turbolapp said:
My great-grandmother had the exact same experience. Although she said there were colors she had never seen before (imagine that???) and that the sheer being back to her body was pain in and of it's self because the opposite was so painLESS. There is no doubt in my mind this woman was telling the truth as she saw it. So the only other possible explanations are that 1) it's true and there is some sort of existence after death or 2) some sort of weird synopsis, dream like weird thing happens when we die.
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Simply a subconscious method of coping with a near death experience.
 
fvaldes said:
hmmm how cannot be true when the guy described this shit while under it?
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I'm not familiar with this story but.. did the guy having the experience recall specific things that happened? e.g. him saying "I saw you all operating on me" isnt enough. Did he recount a specific event (e.g. the scalpel falling to the floor, the doctor feeling up his assistant, etc?) You know.. normal OR activities?
 
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