Public School Teacher To Parent: "You Get An F!"

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A politician in Florida has noticed that our public school system is broken. She's gonna save the day. Her idea? She wants grade school teachers to start grading parents. What will parents be graded on?

Three things:

1. A child should be at school on time, prepared to learn after a good night's sleep, and have eaten a meal.

2. A child should have the homework done and prepared for examinations.

3. There should be regular communication between the parent and teacher.

The grades will be "satisfactory," "needs improvement," "unsatisfactory."

Nothing solid is mentioned about repercussions if parents perform at an "unsatisfactory" level. Let's say there are none. So what, right? But you can imagine in ten years when there are repercussions. Maybe fines. Maybe mandatory parenting classes. Maybe taking your kids away from you.

I'm tellin' ya, when you guys vote, you install slave-masters. They come with a smile.

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I don't see what's so wrong with that system. A lot of parents suck. I have a close friend who lived in Florida for a chunk of his life when he was in school, and the stories he'd tell me of are a lot worse than what happens here.

I'm not just picking on Flordia specifically, I'm sure a lot of places could use a system like this. Would it change anything? Probably not. The parents don't give a shit now why would they care if they where graded? That being said, it's worth a shot, but sounds like someone grasping at straws.
 
Stop spending money on ESL. Focus on smart kids.
Oh yeah English only, and for fucks sake stop teaching kids how to have sex in elementary schools. Math, Writing, Science that's the only job the schools have.
 
Rage9 said:
I don't see what's so wrong with that system. A lot of parents suck. I have a close friend who lived in Florida for a chunk of his life when he was in school, and the stories he'd tell me of are a lot worse than what happens here.

I'm not just picking on Flordia specifically, I'm sure a lot of places could use a system like this. Would it change anything? Probably not. The parents don't give a shit now why would they care if they where graded? That being said, it's worth a shot, but sounds like someone grasping at straws.
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Here's the thing, Rage9: legislation is often passed merely to build a framework. A framework for what? To build upon later. To expand. We have seen this with gun control. We have seen this with driving. We have seen this in health care. We have seen regulation in countless spaces, including marketing. It slowly whittles away our freedom.

Here's an example of how things start, and gain momentum over decades:

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From the Wiki page:

The first significant instance of cannabis regulation appeared in District of Columbia in 1906, though this law was not an outright prohibition. Regulations of cannabis followed in Massachusetts (1911), New York (1914) and Maine (1914).
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As I mentioned, you can probably imagine a time, ten, maybe twenty, years down the road when children are taken from their parents due to poor parenting grades. Sounds unthinkable? Thousands of laws on the books once sounded unthinkable.

We accept them today because they happened slowly.

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Keep in mind that private schools once operated without oversight. That's no longer the case. Didn't happen overnight.
 
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if i want to let my kid only have 4 hours of sleep and feed him cheetos for dinner, thats my business. the invisible hand of the free market will work it all out (when my kid doesnt go to college (and doesnt get a decent job (in the free market)))
 
^yup.

Instead of paying teachers a bit more, and/or hiring more qualified teachers, they'll probably spend $9.6 million sending letters out to the parents of every student in the state letting them know that they are going to be graded- most won't even be opened, but rather tossed in the bin with the rest of the spam. waste of my tax dollars.
 
My wife is a first year teacher, and I see where the frustration teachers have with some parents can come from. It's difficult to teach anything to a child who hasn't had sufficient sleep to even keep from nodding off, who acts like an animal in public, and other things that parents have THE role in handling.

I don't think the state or the feds have any business making any laws or "suggestions" to facilitate their idea of how the parent-student-teacher relationship is supposed to work. The good teachers will figure out how to reach the students AND the parents.

JakeStratham, I agree with you about the framework thing. Another thread here illustrates others' inability(refusal?) to see the forest for the trees. Too few are thinking far enough down the road.

It's easier to just do this
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I know quite a few teachers/administrators in the public education system. Here's the problem- whenever they have parent-teacher conferences, you're only gonna get the parents of the kids who are doing relatively well.

The parents of the kids who are fucking up at school, you are never gonna hear from until the kid gets kicked out of school. Then you get a call about "why are you hating on my kid?" Some you won't hear from until the kid catches a drug or weapons charge and they are forced to deal with the court system.

So I doubt sending the parent a report card is gonna do much good. I'm inclined to agree that this law is being used to set a precedent for something else.
 
adammcd said:
if i want to let my kid only have 4 hours of sleep and feed him cheetos for dinner, thats my business. the invisible hand of the free market will work it all out (when my kid doesnt go to college (and doesnt get a decent job (in the free market)))
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I guess you should abolish social security as the Adam Smiths invisible hand will feed all the people without a job. At least jobs at the morgue along with grave diggers will increase.

Taxation, Social security, education, health care are all the price that gets paid for living in a 1st world country. I think it's a great idea and if there is further legislation down the road, then great. I would use the carrot approach (Pay less taxes or get a cash bonus if you get good parent grades) rather than the stick (pay a fine for bad grades).
 
"stop teaching kids how to have sex in elementary school" .. lol thats why it's proven that countries who are the most open about sex to their children (and encourage sex education) are also the countries who have lower std rates.

About anything else: Sounds like a good system. Never liked unannounced exams tho :P
 
adammcd said:
if i want to let my kid only have 4 hours of sleep and feed him cheetos for dinner, thats my business. the invisible hand of the free market will work it all out (when my kid doesnt go to college (and doesnt get a decent job (in the free market)))
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But are you saying then that this is ok? The invisible hand will certainly work it all out, but the innocent kid will not be better off.

I don't agree with this law, and I don't think there should be any laws regulating parenting styles (I'm very strongly libertarian), but what you're saying is its ok to screw over an innocent kid because that's free market capitalism.


Real solution: Send your kid to a private school.
 
cardine said:
But are you saying then that this is ok? The invisible hand will certainly work it all out, but the innocent kid will not be better off.

I don't agree with this law, and I don't think there should be any laws regulating parenting styles (I'm very strongly libertarian), but what you're saying is its ok to screw over an innocent kid because that's free market capitalism.


Real solution: Send your kid to a private school.
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When I used to work in resturant mangement I had quite a few kids who went to private schools work for me. Believe me this is not a cure-all. They really turn out no different, and in some cases puts a lot of extra pressure on them that they cant handle. By all means if you want to waste your money on it - go for it. I think it boils down to, if the person wants to learn then they will. If they dont, then they wont. No educational institution is really going to chage it. You have to admit the fact that some people are destined to be worthless, but thats their choice.
 
Rage9 said:
When I used to work in resturant mangement I had quite a few kids who went to private schools work for me. Believe me this is not a cure-all. They really turn out no different, and in some cases puts a lot of extra pressure on them that they cant handle. By all means if you want to waste your money on it - go for it. I think it boils down to, if the person wants to learn then they will. If they dont, then they wont. No educational institution is really going to chage it. You have to admit the fact that some people are destined to be worthless, but thats their choice.
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I know just as many, if not more private school fuckups than public school fuckups. It's really crazy how there is not much of a difference in the schooling.
 
Rage9 said:
When I used to work in resturant mangement I had quite a few kids who went to private schools work for me. Believe me this is not a cure-all. They really turn out no different, and in some cases puts a lot of extra pressure on them that they cant handle. By all means if you want to waste your money on it - go for it. I think it boils down to, if the person wants to learn then they will. If they dont, then they wont. No educational institution is really going to chage it. You have to admit the fact that some people are destined to be worthless, but thats their choice.
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roclafamilia said:
I know just as many, if not more private school fuckups than public school fuckups. It's really crazy how there is not much of a difference in the schooling.
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I meant in terms of government involvement with parenting.
 
I certainly see where this is going but, if the effort stays as-is, it's a good thing. Parents are quick to blame the system but the parents fail plenty of times themselves. Believe me, I'm on both sides of this. I feel there are many teachers that do what they do simply because it's a job but then there are those that are passionate, have real-world experience, and really care about the kids.. but they have to deal with deadbeat, autopilot parents.

Really, some parents have no business having kids so perhaps this can create some needed urgency. It's easy to blame a broken educational system. No one can argue against the notion that formal education stinks these days.. BUT parents need to do their part.

The problem here is that this effort looks good on paper but it'll be hard to execute. Parents can only do so much for their kids. You can put your kids on the bus but it doesn't mean they'll go straight to class. You can help your kids study but it doesn't mean they're really paying attention and retaining the information. You get the idea..

Really, what should happen is simple: teachers meet with parents proactively, rather than when there is a problem (an issue with an unfound solution, that is). Every teacher has their own pet peeves, priorities, and teaching styles. This should be communicated clearly. Sending stuff home with students leaves too much to chance and nothing beats a good face-to-face encounter.

All too often, parents and teachers alike act purely upon assumptions rather than trying to assess all sides of a story or issue, which leads to unnecessary contention and altercation. As others have mentioned, most parents do not get involved unless they have exemplary children or the proverbial poop really hits the fan.. Still, every system has a flaw and you have to at least try, no?

Surely, sending your kids to private school is an easier fix but discipline starts at home. I did the private school thing myself and I am thankful for it.. but I saw just as many screwed-up kids in my time in the private school system. There is no flawless system but, time after time, the students with involved parents tend to succeed more than those with parents that practice a laissez-faire approach with their children's lives...
 
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