That is some of the worst attempted refutation ever. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.
To Anybody That Thinks 9/11 was a Conspiracy
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That is some of the worst attempted refutation ever. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.
More on the Pentagon September 11 Attacks, extracted from this site.
The Pentagon on 9/11
For the sake of orientation, here is an image of the pentagon with a scale model of the Boeing 757. The concrete pad with an "H" on it is a helicopter pad.
This is an image showing the apparent path of the incoming plane, which is indicated by damaged light poles.
Here is an over-head view of the aftermath. Note the large black "U" shaped ring.
As you can see, regardless of what the Washington Post reported in the image below; significant damage did not extend beyond the first ring.
Here is a crystal clear photo of the actual damage done to the building.
Here is an image of a 757 compared to the damage scene. It appears that the wings and tail section extend beyond the area of the damage. You will also see the entry and exit hole after the impact.
This image shows firefighters spraying foam on the building prior to the collapse of that section of the wall.
The next image highlights the whole supposedly created by a 757 slamming into the building.
Here we compare images of before and after the collapse.
Now look at the left side of the damage area, at what remains of the building. Remember that the World Trade Center towers were engulfed in fireballs, and the heat of the burning fuel was said to be enough to have melted the steel in them, causing their collapses, but that side of the Pentagon building is not even charred.
As a matter of fact, you can still see a file cabinet with a computer monitor on top of it, and a wooden stool, both in perfect shape. Any fire which occurred was very well contained, indeed.
Still as we saw in the images above there was a huge U shaped burned onto the roof of the building, extending far beyond the area of the apparent damage in the preceding image.
Consider the extent of the areas on fire in this image.
The location of the blaze in these images, taken after the collapse of the wall.
Note the absence of debris from the "plane", as well as any skid marks on the lawn. The only thing that we have been shown resembling plane debris, is this piece of what appears to be the right side of an American Airlines plane fuselage, which was found on the left side of the damaged area of the building.
There are also a couple of pictures taken supposedly taken inside the building of engine parts, but the bulk of the body of the plane, including the fuselage and seats etc, do not appear anywhere.
Here is an animation constructed out of still images from a camera located in the Pentagon parking lot, that show the explosion on 911, as well as what appears to be a white missile or a smaller plane.
Note the white color of the initial explosion above and compare to the yellow/orange fireball at the South Tower of the WTC below. Some have suggested that the explosion at the Pentagon was something other than jet fuel.
The Pentagon on 9/11
For the sake of orientation, here is an image of the pentagon with a scale model of the Boeing 757. The concrete pad with an "H" on it is a helicopter pad.
This is an image showing the apparent path of the incoming plane, which is indicated by damaged light poles.
Here is an over-head view of the aftermath. Note the large black "U" shaped ring.
As you can see, regardless of what the Washington Post reported in the image below; significant damage did not extend beyond the first ring.
Here is a crystal clear photo of the actual damage done to the building.
Here is an image of a 757 compared to the damage scene. It appears that the wings and tail section extend beyond the area of the damage. You will also see the entry and exit hole after the impact.
This image shows firefighters spraying foam on the building prior to the collapse of that section of the wall.
The next image highlights the whole supposedly created by a 757 slamming into the building.
Here we compare images of before and after the collapse.
Now look at the left side of the damage area, at what remains of the building. Remember that the World Trade Center towers were engulfed in fireballs, and the heat of the burning fuel was said to be enough to have melted the steel in them, causing their collapses, but that side of the Pentagon building is not even charred.
As a matter of fact, you can still see a file cabinet with a computer monitor on top of it, and a wooden stool, both in perfect shape. Any fire which occurred was very well contained, indeed.
Still as we saw in the images above there was a huge U shaped burned onto the roof of the building, extending far beyond the area of the apparent damage in the preceding image.
Consider the extent of the areas on fire in this image.
The location of the blaze in these images, taken after the collapse of the wall.
Note the absence of debris from the "plane", as well as any skid marks on the lawn. The only thing that we have been shown resembling plane debris, is this piece of what appears to be the right side of an American Airlines plane fuselage, which was found on the left side of the damaged area of the building.
There are also a couple of pictures taken supposedly taken inside the building of engine parts, but the bulk of the body of the plane, including the fuselage and seats etc, do not appear anywhere.
Here is an animation constructed out of still images from a camera located in the Pentagon parking lot, that show the explosion on 911, as well as what appears to be a white missile or a smaller plane.
Note the white color of the initial explosion above and compare to the yellow/orange fireball at the South Tower of the WTC below. Some have suggested that the explosion at the Pentagon was something other than jet fuel.
this. people don't like to accept they are just cannon meat, and mean nothing to elites
OK.
Building seven was not hit by a plane. It had small amounts of debris fall onto it. Yet it fell in less than twenty seconds into its own footprint, at an incredible rate of speed, hours after the twin towers fell.
Other buildings were hit harder than 7 by the rest of the debris. They did not fall.
The building was overengineered, as was the rest of the WTC complex and practically every modern building of its size. Heat resistant steel girders thicker than the chair you are sitting in.
The building was a spook nest, housing intelligence agency headquarters and financial records of megamoney investment houses. Not to mention the NYC emergency management command center.
Small fires burned in the lower floors of the building for a few hours. Insufficient to weaken large quantities of structural steel to the point of failure. Yet the entire building was uniformly destroyed in a matter of seconds.
Skyscrapers have burned raging fires for hours and days, covering dozens of floors and leaving structural steel skeletons behind. At no point in time do they collapse into their own footprint in twenty seconds.
Blast points are clearly visible dozens of stories away from any fire or debris damage as the building falls.
Eyewitnesses on the streets state in the minutes before the building fell that they received word that 'they're going to bring down the building'.
Small fires and light non-structural debris damage had never brought down a modern skyscraper and have not since.
The collapse is literally a textbook case mirroring the best controlled demolition footage of similarly shaped buildings. Don't take my word for it. Watch some demolitions and see for yourself.
The investigating team appointed to report on the structural failure of 7 and the twin towers was not allowed to see the very structural blueprints of the buildings that were the focus of their investigation.
The collapse pile was hauled away and buried or recycled with no meaningful investigative analysis done. After the most anomalous and unprecedented building collapse in human history, the remaining evidence was quickly hauled away rather than analyzed.
Every truck that hauled wtc steel was specially installed with a thousand dollar gps device and tracked to and from ground zero to the blast furnaces where the structural steel ended up.
Your turn my man.
Something I found quickly about Barbara Olsen story, just look at how nothing matches up:
» Ted Olson’s Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
On eyewitness reports:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/flight_77_eyewitness_report_skewed.htm
» Ted Olson’s Report of Phone Calls from Barbara Olson on 9/11: Three Official Denials Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind!
On eyewitness reports:
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/flight_77_eyewitness_report_skewed.htm
There is nothing but a press statement from a compartmentalized medical stooge saying they were, correct?
That doesn't seem likely no.
Not at all. It only takes one or a very few key people to make appropriate changes. And between oaths of office, guilt trips, national loyalty, threats, payoffs, rationalization, and people just not caring, the vast majority of people privy to something like a falsified coroner's report are not compelled to do anything about what they know.
It is my understanding that this is easily within the realm of possibility with command and control system access and is actually done in drills and wargame environments. Which were taking place that very morning.
They almost certainly didn't. The technology wasn't in place yet to complete these calls.
I don't know. It's a good question. edit: I do know that reports conflict about what plane, and how many, and when, and where it or they flew to and from. Which all by itself is enough to question the official story.
Absolutely. Talented conspirators count on others ascertaining the truth of their actions and deliberately create and promote debates which are not central to the issue and do not focus on the overall trend and pattern, but which hook people's attention and keep them occupied. These are central tenants of counterintelligence and information warfare.
As for being a pawn what I perceive to be your insistence on identifying the certainty of details which are not crucial to the larger question and which do not conclusively prove or disprove anything is more in keeping with the description of a pawn.
At the end of the day if the pentagon doesn't make conclusive sense one way or another then don't use it as an excuse to throw the entire argument out. Look elsewhere. Look at everything. Look at WTC 7. Look at the drills and war games being run that same day. Look at the implausibility of the hijackers accomplishing the actions attributed to them. Look at who stands to gain.
I probably just missed it, but other than that one shitty article someone posted, can you show me where you read this? Would be nice to see an interview with medical staff that took care of the 1 person that died in the hospital, etc. Also, interviews with the family members of the people on flight 77.
Why WTC7 and why no one is talking about it.
WTC7 was the home to many government offices in NY. One of which was a branch office of the SEC doing multiple high profile investigations (ERON was one of them) also the IRS had offices in building 7 and were investigating the 3 trillion dollars that went missing THE DAY BEFORE. Once those offices blew up, all those investigations were closed they literally lost all the data. So billions of dollars were made nay trillions. The building going down was mentioned like 3 times, like 3 sentences in the entire 911 commission report. 47 story building. Get's almost no mention at all.
WTC7 was the home to many government offices in NY. One of which was a branch office of the SEC doing multiple high profile investigations (ERON was one of them) also the IRS had offices in building 7 and were investigating the 3 trillion dollars that went missing THE DAY BEFORE. Once those offices blew up, all those investigations were closed they literally lost all the data. So billions of dollars were made nay trillions. The building going down was mentioned like 3 times, like 3 sentences in the entire 911 commission report. 47 story building. Get's almost no mention at all.
Now this I can buy. You conspiracy nuts always give way too much credit to this disorganized mess we call the US government.
Government as whole couldn't pull this off in a million years.
I think by government though, most of these guys are referring to a select few very powerful and wealthy individuals that happen to hold office.
you're a nut if you think the us gov are the ones who hold the power/call the shots.
I know you understand how the herds of sheeple can be easily led off a cliff, but a single person from that herd, separated from it can be too smart for that kind of bullshit.
The same goes for this mysterious, shapless form constantly referred to as "The government." -As a whole, the gubment couldn't organize a bake sale.
However, within the government there are warring factions that don't like each other. Take the FBI and the CIA for instance. Not much love between the two. Then you've got your party lines, whereas you can prove conspiracy on a daily basis when the repugs team up against the democraps (and vice-versa) and conspire to get things past their foe in each and every branches of government. (Including, ironically, the judicial branch!)
THEN you have your outright conspirators that are usually between a single government employee and the corporation or special interest group backing him or her individually. -And although 95% of america is unaware that these exist at all, the fact is that 95% of lawmakers and decision makers in our government are guilty of this type of conspiracy before they even get their foot into office. (Or they wouldn't have gotten elected.)
SO, the point here is that there are ALL KINDS of ways a conspiracy can happen "in the government" without it being widely known at all. Certainly the president or a single lawmaker could do it ALONE with no other government workers in the know at all... With just a corp like Haliburton, GE, AA, the FED, or Lockheed Martin to do the dirty work.
As long as a single person in the government used their power to obfuscate the crime, then it was indeed a government conspiracy, just like so many we've had here since JFK was shot. Including 9/11.
I'm not sure it was Bush... It could have been Cheney or some other member of the legislative branch that had the power to move certain assets on that day. Bush just seems the most likely to me because of his very questionable history.
I heard that investigation was going on in the Pentagon. (One of the first films in this thread mentioned that.)
If it were going on in both and both got destroyed... Man... What are the odds??? A Zillion to one?
The more I hear about 911, the more it sounds like the twin towers were ONLY taken down as a distraction. The Pentagon and WTC7 (which could have been the real target of the 4th plane perhaps?) were the real targets.
And the most ironic part is the US government is disorganized and stupid for this exact reason. If we had a smart government they would actually not be able to pull off events like 9/11 as easily. You have to have a bunch of dumb, mindless sheep to pull off events like this. The best employee is the one that is submissive and thinks they are in control. That's how socialism works. Most socialists actually believe that what they are doing is the right thing. They dont' even suspect they are being used as cannon fodder in a much more sinister plan. The people who invented it know it's bullshit, but not the sheep.
So they use this exact same concept to pull off their plans. It's call order out of chaos. Everyday people do this type of thing all the time on a smaller scale. It's called psychology and manipulation. Smarter people can manipulate dumber people to their whim. I can manipulate my dog to do something that it has no clue in the world it is doing. I can manipulate stupid people to do things they have no clue that they are doing. I can trick people into thinking that they are helping somebody when in the larger scheme of things they are actually hurting somebody. We see this all the time in the military. Follow orders and listen to your Sergeant, he knows what's best for you. They are doing the right thing. They are being patriotic and listening to the authority above them. But they are also part of a greater plan to rape countries and serve business interests. This is just the tip of the iceberg in the manipulation. There are so many other things at play here.
So a stupid government is an argument in favor of 9/11. If you actually had a smart government you would have people calling out the CIA for their bullshit immediately. If we had a smart government pilots would have had firearms on the plane to begin with. If we had a smart government they wouldn't be manipulated by somebody smarter than them.
Moreover, Ron Paul probably only says that about 9/11 publically to keep people from thinking he's crazy. Ron Paul holds back on a lot of things. If you're two steps ahead of people they think you're crazy. If you're one step ahead they think you're a genius. Ron Paul has to dumb it down.
