To Anybody That Thinks 9/11 was a Conspiracy

[SUP3RNOVA]

This evidence is just stupid.

No, you only speculate that it's stupid. Evidence is evidence.

^ Dose that look like debris from a plane crash? Thats the guys proof? One bit of engine, a piston looking thing, a single wheel, and some small piles of crap.

That's what the pictures show and yes, it looks like the remnants of a plane crash.

He claims it was a plane because it left a 13ft hole in the wall. Since he said that is the same size as the body of 757 (body only). But that means that the engines and the wings which make the plane 124ft (he gives this number) wide did no damage to the building, also folded up and went into that damn hole, or them selves exploded and melted to leave no evidence.

OR just the nose of the plane actually impacted the building. Photos weren't taken with the rest of the plane there.

Is the government required to cater to conspiracy theorists like yourself? Why don't they show us pictures of the interior of Area 51 to show us that there aren't any aliens?

OMGZ WE HAVE ALIENS IN AREA51.

If the government ever wanted to put this bullshit to rest

There's no bullshit you clown, only a few cronies like yourself that deep down believe it's a conspiracy just like any religious person deep down believes that God is there.

If 9/11 was a conspiracy HOLY SHIT somebody in the world would have proved it by now. Just like from the beginning, only nutjobs exist that scream conspiracy and just like from the beginning, they will always be nutjobs.

For now, I'll continue to be the jackass who is right.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

It doesn't. But 'the USG' didn't conspire 9/11. A confluence of military industrial bosses, bankers, politicans, and intel agents conspired 9/11. And they certainly weren't all Americans. And they certainly don't act out of the interests of American wellfare and prosperity. Quite the opposite.

I plan on responding to your questions, but there are a lot of them and it'll take me a bit of digging (I haven't argued anti-9/11 conspiracy in at least 6 months).

The only sentiment I'll leave for now is: if the USG didn't conspire 9/11, do you have any idea the amount of manpower and money it would take to keep such a conspiracy from (virtually) EVERY person in not only the US government, but every government in the world? Not only on the months/years prior to the attack, but for the 10-50 years post-attack.

It's an absolutely ludicrous thought.

 

[BeerNuts]

This guy put a lot of effort into this.

9/11: Blueprint for Truth. The Scientifically Disproven Official Story., page 1

Edit:

The only sentiment I'll leave for now is: if the USG didn't conspire 9/11, do you have any idea the amount of manpower and money it would take to keep such a conspiracy from (virtually) EVERY person in not only the US government, but every government in the world? Not only on the months/years prior to the attack, but for the 10-50 years post-attack.

It's an absolutely ludicrous thought.

Not much man power at all, Its quite easy to control secrets when very few people know the truth. 99% of the people you think were involved just know what you know firemen, contractors, etc. Why would it be so hard to keep a secret that say 100 people knew? or 200 people?

How many secrets does the government keep everyday with ease... Area 51 (no aliens) was a top secret air base for damn near 50 years, no one knows what went on there. The people that worked there are still signed to stay quite until death. All we have is that stealth fighters were tested there. The B-52 stealth bomber came from area 51 development. How about the fancy ass stealth black hawk that was used to get Osama. No one knew that thing existed, no one leaked the information, other governments didn't know about it. It wasn't made by a guy in a garage, we are talking billions in development, contractors, test flights, pilot training, and so on.

Keeping secrets in part of the governments business.

 

[MSTeacher]

do you have any idea the amount of manpower and money it would take to keep such a conspiracy from (virtually) EVERY person in not only the US government, but every government in the world? Not only on the months/years prior to the attack, but for the 10-50 years post-attack.

It's an absolutely ludicrous thought.

It is ludicrous. I haven't discussed this stuff in years and I'm way out of the loop on the most current research but even so I know that world leaders in more than a few places have more or less called it an inside job. Dozens of high level government officials from governments all over the world have stated openly that it was a false flag.

Then again, they print the money, influence policy, own the media and command the troops. What seems to be beyond the scope of possibility to us may indeed be utterly feasible for them.

90+% of Americans polled a few years back believe the government lied about Kennedy's assassination. The cia asset who essentially set up the op and coordinated the shooting went public on his death bed a few years back. The evidence has been there for everyone to see it for decades. Did that stop the evil empire from doing it? Of course not.

They don't need people to believe. They don't need people not to doubt. They don't even need people not to conclude otherwise and with a vengeance. They just need people not to organize sufficiently to compel action against them.

 

[Rage9]

This guy put a lot of effort into this.

9/11: Blueprint for Truth. The Scientifically Disproven Official Story., page 1

The guy just ripped the information from the Architects for 9/11 Truth I posted on the page before this.

 

[MSTeacher]

only a few cronies like yourself that deep down believe it's a conspiracy

I don't know if you consider millions of people a few. I do not and I'm quite sure the powers that be do not either.

 

[Big Joe]

Problem is that even if George W. fucking Bush himself got onto the TV and admitted to the events that took place that day, than what? If any part of the conspiracy theory was admitted, than what?

What would that change?

People would be pissed?
Would people flee the country?
Civil war?
Write your congress men nasty letters?
Citizens arrests?

There isn't a fucking thing that anyone could do. Everyone would just bitch and cry and have to eat it like shit. If we as people made a bit of a fucking difference than yes, the USG would share shit with us that they don't feel we should know. Free Country? Were all just a bunch of worker ants driving an economy.

This isn't some stupid little cooked up theory believed by a few people. There are shit loads of organizations that are demanding answers. People on the news, radio and writing books but nothing happens. If things weren't being hidden from the people than they should be released to shut everyone the fuck up.

I personally don't know what to believe but find it funny that so many of you non believers say shit like "how could they kill American citizens"? These citizens weren't there brothers and sisters. These are the same people that drop bombs on women and children and have nuked other countries.

Have you never played Sim City and let a fire or even a monster take out an undesirable part of town? Wasn't so bad because you knew it could b rebuilt even better.

Its all about money and power.

 

[BeerNuts]

No, you only speculate that it's stupid. Evidence is evidence.

A small pile of misc airplane parts is evidence that an entire plane was reduced to said pile? If you look as I have mentioned at ANY other plane crash there is far more evidence strewn all over the place.

OR just the nose of the plane actually impacted the building. Photos weren't taken with the rest of the plane there.

Is the government required to cater to conspiracy theorists like yourself? Why don't they show us pictures of the interior of Area 51 to show us that there aren't any aliens?

OMGZ WE HAVE ALIENS IN AREA51.

What the... there were news vans there as soon as there were fire trucks. There are thousands of photos, and videos that never show them removing the wings, tail etc.

There's no bullshit you clown, only a few cronies like yourself that deep down believe it's a conspiracy just like any religious person deep down believes that God is there.

If 9/11 was a conspiracy HOLY SHIT somebody in the world would have proved it by now. Just like from the beginning, only nutjobs exist that scream conspiracy and just like from the beginning, they will always be nutjobs.

For now, I'll continue to be the jackass who is right.

No bullshit like the countless websites and organizations for 9/11 truth? Like even this post. Why would the government continue to hide evidence to allow nutjobs to build a case against them or allow WTC 7 tv commercials in NY. More and more people are being exposed to nutjob logic. Sooner or later the government will have to deal with this PR.

Also due to sheer stupidity and lack of insight/proof of this last post of yours you totally gave away that you are just trolling, probably have been since the start. If anyone else wants to play devils advocate or buys the governments story feel free to take his spot.

 

[BluuueJammm]

what do you think about operation northwoods? how do you think building 7 came down?

I think you won't answer these questions. You are just attempting to derail this
thread without adding any substance.

Building 7:
Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

As for northwoods, I chatted to my mate the other day about robing a bank, in the end we decided it was too risky and didn't do it.

Keeping secrets in part of the governments business.

They couldn't even keep it quiet that Clinton got a blowjob.

 

[SUP3RNOVA]

I don't know if you consider millions of people a few. I do not and I'm quite sure the powers that be do not either.

You think millions of Americans can argue why it was a conspiracy and provide evidential proof? I mean I'm quite sure there's millions of Americans that believe in conspiracy the same way a religious person believes in God. It's what they've read and it makes sense to them; evidence does not matter...only belief. I don't count these people.

There only seems to be a select group (in the thousands) that can accurately argue their case for conspiracy. And even in their case, the most powerful evidence (I've seen) that they can provide is still speculation.

 

[Moxie]

You should watch what you post before you post it.

It's more conspiracy bullshit. SPEC-U-LATION.

They are addressing things in the video you said to watch. I haven't noticed any SPEC-U-LATION in what I've watched so far, only disagreements on how buildings are suppose to collapse or things of that nature.

In fact the guy who made the video comments :

I have watched all of Screw Loose Change, and I agree with much of what is in it, especially the Pentagon section. But I found numerous errors in the demolition section.

I only care about facts and evidence.

Then what are the facts and evidence that "refutes all the arguments put forth so far"? That's like you saying you can prove that Casey Anthony didn't purposely murder her child. Pointing out that there isn't enough evidence to legally convict her is one thing, proving she is innocent is something else entirely.

If 9/11 was a conspiracy HOLY SHIT somebody in the world would have proved it by now.

Are you really that ignorant? How did the Tuskegee experiment go on for 40 years?

 

[MSTeacher]

you totally gave away that you are just trolling, probably have been since the start.

I sure as shit hope you're not because I have really bad trolldar and I'm behind on linkbuilding.

How did the Tuskegee experiment go on for 40 years?

I know what that is, that shit is disturbing.

 

[BlokBlok]

Building 7:
Debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories and Controlled Demolition - World Trade Center 7, Building 7

As for northwoods, I chatted to my mate the other day about robing a bank, in the end we decided it was too risky and didn't do it.



They couldn't even keep it quiet that Clinton got a blowjob.

You are really laughing off a documented, legit government attempt at plotting terrorist attacks on its own country?

And how do you feel about the Gulf of Tonkin?

 

[Jake1125]

I mean I'm quite sure there's millions of Americans that believe in conspiracy the same way a religious person believes in God.

Don't try to get all facty-facty on us. We're not dealing with reality here.

There is obviously enough room between the factual evidence for doubt. So that the fictional theories MUST be true! Or else the guvmumnt would have already proved that the conspiracy was fiction.

This is WF and this is a conspiracy thread, facts just spoil the fantasy.

 

[REIMktg]

But plenty of corporations like Lockheed Martin thrive on wars to profit and expand.

It would be interesting to read any in-depth reporting on who owns the stock of defense contractors. Not just the list of institutional investors but a little deeper - too lazy to do the research myself - if anyone has a link let me know.

I think it would be too funny if it ended up that it was groups like the Public Employee Unions, Teachers Unions, etc. Not saying it is, but that would be golden. I am certain it will be some right wing group - but if it is, it certainly would lend credibility to those that claim the defense contractors are behind everything.

 

[sennin436]

Problem is that even if George W. fucking Bush himself got onto the TV and admitted to the events that took place that day, than what? If any part of the conspiracy theory was admitted, than what?

What would that change?

People would be pissed?
Would people flee the country?
Civil war?
Write your congress men nasty letters?
Citizens arrests?

There isn't a fucking thing that anyone could do. Everyone would just bitch and cry and have to eat it like shit. If we as people made a bit of a fucking difference than yes, the USG would share shit with us that they don't feel we should know. Free Country? Were all just a bunch of worker ants driving an economy.

This isn't some stupid little cooked up theory believed by a few people. There are shit loads of organizations that are demanding answers. People on the news, radio and writing books but nothing happens. If things weren't being hidden from the people than they should be released to shut everyone the fuck up.

I personally don't know what to believe but find it funny that so many of you non believers say shit like "how could they kill American citizens"? These citizens weren't there brothers and sisters. These are the same people that drop bombs on women and children and have nuked other countries.

Have you never played Sim City and let a fire or even a monster take out an undesirable part of town? Wasn't so bad because you knew it could b rebuilt even better.

Its all about money and power.

I hear ya. What had me scratching my head was how the Bush Administration managed to go relatively unscathed by numerous scandals such as: the Florida election scandal, senate hearings on WMDs, the whole questionable premise of invading Iraq, etc, etc, etc. There were serious revelations by the major news media (NOT minor conspiracy theory sites) that suggested impeachable offences the Bush Administration may have committed, perhaps even caught with their pants down about how they lied to the public about all of the above, etc, etc. So I'm thinking "Jeesh, Clinton was kicked out for something as frivolous as getting a blowjob, so Bush and his gang are in serious trouble..." Huh?..Wait, Whaaa? No 'Kenneth Starr' to rise up to the occasion during any of these scandals? Where were the democrat leaders? (Oh yeah, Bill Maher called them all wusses. Bent over to get fucked...).

 

[lukep]

^Don't forget about W's Election! What a clusterfuck.

From day 1 that dude was always involved in shady shit and had ties to both big oil and big weapons... The entire W reign was laced in evil that historians will be talking about for centuries as a curse.

(Probably not american historians, I'd suspect...)

 

[bodiddley]

This guy put a lot of effort into this.

9/11: Blueprint for Truth. The Scientifically Disproven Official Story., page 1

Edit:

Not much man power at all, Its quite easy to control secrets when very few people know the truth. 99% of the people you think were involved just know what you know firemen, contractors, etc. Why would it be so hard to keep a secret that say 100 people knew? or 200 people?

How many secrets does the government keep everyday with ease... Area 51 (no aliens) was a top secret air base for damn near 50 years, no one knows what went on there. The people that worked there are still signed to stay quite until death. All we have is that stealth fighters were tested there. The B-52 stealth bomber came from area 51 development. How about the fancy ass stealth black hawk that was used to get Osama. No one knew that thing existed, no one leaked the information, other governments didn't know about it. It wasn't made by a guy in a garage, we are talking billions in development, contractors, test flights, pilot training, and so on.

Keeping secrets in part of the governments business.

Good point in bringing up Area 51. Not only is it a relevant example of gov't secrecy in action (and all the workers there knew absolutely nothing beyond their own specific job, and weren't allowed to talk to the working stiff next to them), it brings up a very compelling question: when funding these projects, where did the money come from?

Something like 9/11 and the resulting wars in Iraq and Afghanistan brings in a whole lotta cash to be diverted into black ops...

 

[igl00]

this is great. within 9 minutes he tells u u must be a total dumbass to believe i nthe real version fo the story. great to show guys believing what they see on TV and taking it as granted along with all vaccines that gov suggests

OP watch just the first 1 minutes and 17 seconds of this video only. then look at your post title. now respond.

911 Truth: Jim Marrs in 10 Minutes - YouTube

 

[negro2k]

Anyone who has played sim city knows how easy it is to destroy buildings that's why I know this is all staged. Have you ever opened up the info panel that shows neighboring cities and their wealth, but you can't actualy view the city to go blow it up? I think it is like that and they are trying to get to those aka iraq like someone might type in a cheat code in a game to exploit a glitch they are doing it in a real life setting instead. If you don't belive me then why is the hole only 13 feet wide, that's basically the size of a average penis, not a plane. So you that belive the official story think a flying dick went into the pentagon? Your being brainwashed