To Anybody That Thinks 9/11 was a Conspiracy

AllBizNiz said:
So let me get this straight. Some of you guys believe 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government so that a couple of military contractors could profit?
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I didn't say that. I just said people profited, although not the American public.

My position on 9/11 has always been we need a real investigation because too many pieces of the puzzle don't add up. I think plenty of those pieces have been discussed here already.

The one thing we can't say for certain is who was really pulling the strings, but maybe that would be discovered if we had a real investigation.
 


AllBizNiz said:
So let me get this straight. Some of you guys believe 9/11 was orchestrated by the US government so that a couple of military contractors could profit?
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Compare this to a world map, then think really hard where the US invaded, who their strong allies are, etc.:

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Then think about emerging economies & militaries such as China, India, and the reemergence of Russia onto the world stage. It's a fight for survival. It has nothing to do with boogymen in caves armed with box cutters.

It's not like the US president would have been able to show up on TV and say, "sorry guys, but we're fucked. we gotta start invading some countries, and start WWIII, or our future is looking pretty bleak". Wouldn't have went over well with the populous.
 
The "expert" pilot to crash the commercial airplane into the pentagon is this guy Hani Hanjour.

Words from his flight instructor:

"This guy could not solo a Cessna 150 ... and what I mean by solo is a pilot's first time out without anyone in the cockpit with him. It's the most simple, the most fundamental flying exercise one can engage in..."

Flight 77 Hijacker Hani Hanjour - 9/11 Pilot Extraordinaire


So sure, this guy actually carried out this spectacular maneuver on a ginormous plane, not without taking down light poles before the crash and leaving the wings intact.

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American Airlines Flight 77 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Not a single piece of human remains were found in the crash site.

And they haven't released a single tape showing the actual plane coming. This is weird considering the pentagon is the most secured building in the world.
 
Yuckystuff said:
Yes, they appeared on a flight manifesto for flight 77, other airplanes were hijacked that day as part of an attack on American targets, and all of the passengers and crew have been missing for 10 years so yes I believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon.



I know full well that the US government would kill civilians as part of a false flag operation - if you would have read the thread I actually posted about the Tonkin Resolution and Operation Northwoods. But that doesn't change the fact that Flight 77 crashed into the Pentagon.

Now if you want to say the government knew about it ahead of time and let it happen, that's different, but you have to suspend all logic to think that flight just magically disappeared with everyone on board and that the Pentagon was instead hit by a missile. That's just retarded.
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No one said it disappeared, I certainly didn't.

Lets say for this scenario that object that hit the pentagon was something other than Flight 77. That doesn't mean the flight has to magically disappear dude. The plane could of easily been rerouted, emptied and all passengers eliminated. I don't think that's so far fetched to call "retarded".

You still seem quite excited.


AllBizNiz

That 1 little scrap of metal is the remains of a commercial airliner crash? Have you ever seen a normal plane crash site? The entire plane sucked into that 20 foot hole in the wall?

Yes, commercial planes can fly that low. But wasn't the claimed rate of descent some ridiculous amount in a even more ridiculous frame of time? All pulled off by some pilot that a hard time controlling a cessna?

I obviously don't know, I wasn't there. It just does not add up, at all.
 
Man you anti-conspiracy guys are really single minded. The entire US government was not behind the conspiracy. You do not need 100% of everyone to simply have a conspiracy all you need is enough to make it happen. No one here is saying that EVERY single person in the government is covering it up. Just that some interested parties with enough power to pull it off were.

Of course the country as a whole is worse off since it happened, more debt, less civil rights, endless wars. Its easy to say that no one wanted this because no one benefited but someone always does. It also may have nothing to do with money, how many wars have been started over religion or power?

Personally I think there is 0 chance a plane hit the pentagon. There is no way in hell a fireball destroyed 99% of the plane and all of the bodies, luggage, EVERYTHING in it. If you have ever seen a plane crash there is always debris, wings, tail sections, seats, luggage, shit all over the place because the explosion/impact throws shit everywhere. The lawn of the pentagon would have been covered in body parts, luggage, seats, garbage, and burn marks. It would have been a horror show the likes you have never seen. It wasn't. Google photos of plane crashes and use some common sense.

Also why are you guys so worried about the passengers of flight 93? If you just blew up 3 giant fucking buildings, killed 3,000+ people, and did billions in damage, and just started a war are you really concerned about one plane of passengers? Maybe they just killed them all, maybe they told them that due to national defense they needed to disappear forever. No one cared about them, and of course they did not let all of their families in on it. Are you just stupid? They told the families what they told you, they are dead.

There is no way that on 9/11 for the first time in recored history did the following things happen. The first skyscraper to ever fall from a airplane impact/fire. The first skyscraper ever to fall from fire alone. The first airplane crash in history to create a fireball so hot that the ENTIRE plane disintegrated into nothing.
 
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Guys, please realize there are many questions no one has the answer for, the point is to ask them and seek the truth.

I also spent a few hours last night watching videos countering the "conspiracy" such as the History Channels piece. All of them fall short of providing creditable, tangible evidence that pieces such as Loose Change provides.

I think it is important to look at both sides, I am always on the fence with these sort of things. I think everyone should watch Loose Change as a starting point and go from there, if you have evidence countering the conspiracy I would love to look at it.

As for the motivation behind it if its true, take a look at companies like Halliburton and it starts to make more sense.

Edit- I also want to add, dont think of the Government as a whole as a possible suspect, think of the few people that actually have influence and resources to do this.
 
Yuckystuff said:
Uh...why not just actually fly the plane into the building? What..the...fuck are you guys smoking?
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Experienced fighter pilots have said that flying a plane of that magnitude at the speed it supposedly hit into the pentagon would have been impossible for them. If a fighter pilot couldn't do it, how is a guy who couldn't fly a Cessna on his own supposed to do it?

And why is there no real video of the plane hitting? Tons of footage seized, and the footage that was released doesn't show the plane hitting, just the fireball...

Those are reasonable questions man.
 
Yuckystuff said:
Remains of all but 5 victims were found at the Pentagon.
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They were found because the gov told everyone so. Do you still think that a noob pilot with poor experience and skills to fly a mere cesna could maneuver a gigantic airplane almost sticked to the ground while taking down light poles and still make it? Do the pentagon crash site pictures show the plane silhouette?

Again, they should release the video tapes that show the plane coming, after all, the pentagon is the most secured building in the world
 
blogginginc said:
They were found because the gov told everyone so.
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Kevin Rimrodt, a Navy photographer surveying the Navy Command Center after the attacks, remarked that "there were so many bodies, I'd almost step on them. So I'd have to really take care to look backwards as I'm backing up in the dark, looking with a flashlight, making sure I'm not stepping on somebody". Debris from the Pentagon were taken to the Pentagon's north parking lot for more detailed search for remains and evidence.
 
music4mic said:
If a fighter pilot couldn't do it, how is a guy who couldn't fly a Cessna on his own supposed to do it?
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Allah was guiding him. See? Answers for everything. :)

I remember just a few days after 9/11, I was in a cab with an Indian / Pakistani driver. He told him give it 5 years, and it will come out that the US was responsible for the attack. Of course, at the time I thought he was a bat shit crazy lunatic. Can't say I do anymore though.
 
AllBizNiz said:
The whole point of showing what the total cost of everything related to 9/11 is to show how retarded it is to think it was some retarded conspiracy. We've gained nothing.

All that we have is two fucking countries we're rebuilding more than our own because of our political correctness. We're not even pumping their oil which is even more retarded.
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You need to understand that just because country spent 1 trill does not mean some individuals haven't gained. How about all the military industrial complex? Did it not gain from extra spending for production of weapons and stuff?

What is happening is that the group of people is robbing the country in every way possible and in end you pay for it. YOU have gained nothing. But someone must have gained something.

This is exactly why you need to be so mad that your fucking government has spent 1 tril of your money and you havent gained nothing, but lost a lot of freedoms along the way.
 
loyolabenson said:
That's interesting, but I wonder why survelience videos were confiscated.
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More than interesting is the fact that so many people work so hard to ignore the facts.

Videos confiscated? Why not? Normal procedure. I'd be really surprised if they weren't. I'd be saying "how the heck did the neglect to take control of that evidence?"
 
Yuckystuff said:
How many of those planes were full of enough jet fuel for a non-stoop flight to LA and flown into a building as structural strong as the pentagon? That's like asking why a car driven off a cliff doesn't look the same as a car that crashes at 45mph.
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Unless you have evidence to suggest that these planes didn't have similar amount of jet fuel, this argument is ridiculous.

Kiopa_Matt said:
Allah was guiding him. See? Answers for everything. :)

I remember just a few days after 9/11, I was in a cab with an Indian / Pakistani driver. He told him give it 5 years, and it will come out that the US was responsible for the attack. Of course, at the time I thought he was a bat shit crazy lunatic. Can't say I do anymore though.
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That makes about as much sense as some of the other debunking shit I've read.

Kiopa_Matt said:
I remember just a few days after 9/11, I was in a cab with an Indian / Pakistani driver. He told him give it 5 years, and it will come out that the US was responsible for the attack. Of course, at the time I thought he was a bat shit crazy lunatic. Can't say I do anymore though.
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I think the first time I heard Bush refer to a bunch of laws that suspended my civil rights as the patriot act, and then repeatedly tried to redefine patriot as someone who goes along with whatever they're told to do, i knew something was seriously wrong.
 
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