Was Internet Censorship/Sopa/Protect IP Planned at the 2011 Bilderberg conference?



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Yuckystuff said:
I hate when people muddy the waters by blaming shit on the Bilderbergs/Masons/Templars/Illuminati/Trilateral Commision/CFR or any other nefarious secretive groups. The fact is that people in power will always behave in a way to protect their power. There is nothing secret about that.

Is Internet censorship a bad idea because of who is behind it? Or is it a bad idea because it's just a bad idea? If you believe the latter, then it shouldn't make a difference who is behind it or where it's coming from. Protip - Don't let yourself get distracted by simple minded conspiracy theories.
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I'm not blaming anyone. I just asked a fucking question. WTH is your problem?!
 
Yuckystuff said:
I hate when people muddy the waters by blaming shit on the Bilderbergs/Masons/Templars/Illuminati/Trilateral Commision/CFR or any other nefarious secretive groups. The fact is that people in power will always behave in a way to protect their power. There is nothing secret about that.

Is Internet censorship a bad idea because of who is behind it? Or is it a bad idea because it's just a bad idea? If you believe the latter, then it shouldn't make a difference who is behind it or where it's coming from. Protip - Don't let yourself get distracted by simple minded conspiracy theories.
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I hate it when people think that bringing up Bilderbergs/Masons/Templars/Illuminati/Trilateral Commision/CFR is muddying the waters. The fact is that people in power have names and faces and they number in the hundreds and thousands, not the millions and billions. There is nothing secret about that.

Is it important to only fight the good fight, or is it important to also identify the actions and intentions behind the fight you are fighting to better strike the root? If you believe the latter, then it should utterly matter to you who is behind it or where it's coming from. Protip - Don't let yourself stay ignorant by avoiding the facts about real conspiracies.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smim2MNvF8"]Rage Against The Machine: Know Your Enemy - YouTube[/ame]
 
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Bilderberg

B = 2
I = 9
L = 12
D = 4
E = 5
R = 18
B = 2
E = 5
R = 18
G = 7

2+9+1+2+4+5+1+8+2+5+1+8+7 = 55

2012 = 2 + 0 + 1 + 2 = 5

DO YOU SEE WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS

YOU CANNOT FUCK WITH THE ILLUMINATI

THEY ARE COMING FOR THE INTERNET

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But yeah, in all seriousness it could be coming from them.
 
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Yuckystuff said:
It's not directed at you - relax! It's directed at all the writers and conspiracy theorists that write about the shit. It's all done just to distract us from what's happening, when you spend all your time worried about what secret group is behind it.



Then call them out by name.
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2011 Bilderberg Attendee List ;)

Belgium
Coene, Luc, Governor, National Bank of Belgium
Davignon, Etienne, Minister of State
Leysen, Thomas, Chairman, Umicore

China
Fu, Ying, Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs
Huang, Yiping, Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University

Denmark
Eldrup, Anders, CEO, DONG Energy
Federspiel, Ulrik, Vice President, Global Affairs, Haldor Topsøe A/S
Schütze, Peter, Member of the Executive Management, Nordea Bank AB

Germany
Ackermann, Josef, Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank
Enders, Thomas, CEO, Airbus SAS
Löscher, Peter, President and CEO, Siemens AG
Nass, Matthias, Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit
Steinbrück, Peer, Member of the Bundestag; Former Minister of Finance

Finland
Apunen, Matti, Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
Johansson, Ole, Chairman, Confederation of the Finnish Industries EK
Ollila, Jorma, Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell
Pentikäinen, Mikael, Publisher and Senior Editor-in-Chief, Helsingin Sanomat

France
Baverez, Nicolas, Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
Bazire, Nicolas, Managing Director, Groupe Arnault /LVMH
Castries, Henri de, Chairman and CEO, AXA
Lévy, Maurice, Chairman and CEO, Publicis Groupe S.A.
Montbrial, Thierry de, President, French Institute for International Relations
Roy, Olivier, Professor of Social and Political Theory, European University Institute

Great Britain
Agius, Marcus, Chairman, Barclays PLC
Flint, Douglas J., Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings
Kerr, John, Member, House of Lords; Deputy Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell
Lambert, Richard, Independent Non-Executive Director, Ernst & Young
Mandelson, Peter, Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel
Micklethwait, John, Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
Osborne, George, Chancellor of the Exchequer
Stewart, Rory, Member of Parliament
Taylor, J. Martin, Chairman, Syngenta International AG

Greece
David, George A., Chairman, Coca-Cola H.B.C. S.A.
Hardouvelis, Gikas A., Chief Economist and Head of Research, Eurobank EFG
Papaconstantinou, George, Minister of Finance
Tsoukalis, Loukas, President, ELIAMEP Grisons

International Organizations
Almunia, Joaquín, Vice President, European Commission
Daele, Frans van, Chief of Staff to the President of the European Council
Kroes, Neelie, Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda
Lamy, Pascal, Director General, World Trade Organization
Rompuy, Herman van, President, European Council
Sheeran, Josette, Executive Director, United Nations World Food Programme
Solana Madariaga, Javier, President, ESADEgeo Center for Global Economy and Geopolitics
Trichet, Jean-Claude, President, European Central Bank
Zoellick, Robert B., President, The World Bank Group

Ireland
Gallagher, Paul, Senior Counsel; Former Attorney General
McDowell, Michael, Senior Counsel, Law Library; Former Deputy Prime Minister
Sutherland, Peter D., Chairman, Goldman Sachs International

Italy
Bernabè, Franco, CEO, Telecom Italia SpA
Elkann, John, Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
Monti, Mario, President, Univers Commerciale Luigi Bocconi
Scaroni, Paolo, CEO, Eni S.p.A.
Tremonti, Giulio, Minister of Economy and Finance

Canada
Carney, Mark J., Governor, Bank of Canada
Clark, Edmund, President and CEO, TD Bank Financial Group
McKenna, Frank, Deputy Chair, TD Bank Financial Group
Orbinksi, James, Professor of Medicine and Political Science, University of Toronto
Prichard, J. Robert S., Chair, Torys LLP
Reisman, Heather, Chair and CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc. Center, Brookings Institution

Netherlands
Bolland, Marc J., Chief Executive, Marks and Spencer Group plc
Chavannes, Marc E., Political Columnist, NRC Handelsblad; Professor of Journalism
Halberstadt, Victor, Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
H.M. the Queen of the Netherlands
Rosenthal, Uri, Minister of Foreign Affairs

Winter, Jaap W., Partner, De Brauw Blackstone Westbroek

 Norway
Myklebust, Egil, Former Chairman of the Board of Directors SAS, sk Hydro ASA
H.R.H. Crown Prince Haakon of Norway
Ottersen, Ole Petter, Rector, University of Oslo
Solberg, Erna, Leader of the Conservative Party

 Austria
Bronner, Oscar, CEO and Publisher, Standard Medien AG
Faymann, Werner, Federal Chancellor
Rothensteiner, Walter, Chairman of the Board, Raiffeisen Zentralbank Österreich AG
Scholten, Rudolf, Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG

Portugal
Balsemão, Francisco Pinto, Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, S.G.P.S.; Former Prime Minister
Ferreira Alves, Clara, CEO, Claref LDA; writer
Nogueira Leite, António, Member of the Board, José de Mello Investimentos, SGPS, SA

 Sweden
Mordashov, Alexey A., CEO, Severstal
Schweden Bildt, Carl, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Björling, Ewa, Minister for Trade
Wallenberg, Jacob, Chairman, Investor AB

Switzerland
Brabeck-Letmathe, Peter, Chairman, Nestlé S.A.
Groth, Hans, Senior Director, Healthcare Policy & Market Access, Oncology Business Unit, Pfizer Europe
Janom Steiner, Barbara, Head of the Department of Justice, Security and Health, Canton
Kudelski, André, Chairman and CEO, Kudelski Group SA
Leuthard, Doris, Federal Councillor
Schmid, Martin, President, Government of the Canton Grisons
Schweiger, Rolf, Ständerat
Soiron, Rolf, Chairman of the Board, Holcim Ltd., Lonza Ltd.
Vasella, Daniel L., Chairman, Novartis AG
Witmer, Jürg, Chairman, Givaudan SA and Clariant AG

Spain
Cebrián, Juan Luis, CEO, PRISA
Cospedal, María Dolores de, Secretary General, Partido Popular
León Gross, Bernardino, Secretary General of the Spanish Presidency
Nin Génova, Juan María, President and CEO, La Caixa
H.M. Queen Sofia of Spain Turkey
Ciliv, Süreyya, CEO, Turkcell Iletisim Hizmetleri A.S.
Gülek Domac, Tayyibe, Former Minister of State
Koç, Mustafa V., Chairman, Koç Holding A.S.
Pekin, Sefika, Founding Partner, Pekin & Bayar Law Firm

USA
Alexander, Keith B., Commander, USCYBERCOM; Director, National Security Agency
Altman, Roger C., Chairman, Evercore Partners Inc.
Bezos, Jeff, Founder and CEO, Amazon.com
Collins, Timothy C., CEO, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
Feldstein, Martin S., George F. Baker Professor of Economics, Harvard University
Hoffman, Reid, Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
Hughes, Chris R., Co-founder, Facebook
Jacobs, Kenneth M., Chairman & CEO, Lazard
Johnson, James A., Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
Jordan, Jr., Vernon E., Senior Managing Director, Lazard Frères & Co. LLC
Keane, John M., Senior Partner, SCP Partners; General, US Army, Retired
Kissinger, Henry A., Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
Kleinfeld, Klaus, Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
Kravis, Henry R., Co-Chairman and co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis, Roberts & Co.
Kravis, Marie-Josée, Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute, Inc.
Li, Cheng, Senior Fellow and Director of Research, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution
Mundie, Craig J., Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
Orszag, Peter R., Vice Chairman, Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.
Perle, Richard N., Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research
Rockefeller, David, Former Chairman, Chase Manhattan Bank
Rose, Charlie, Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose
Rubin, Robert E., Co-Chairman, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
Schmidt, Eric, Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
Steinberg, James B., Deputy Secretary of State
Thiel, Peter A., President, Clarium Capital Management, LLC
Varney, Christine A., Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust
Vaupel, James W., Founding Director, Max Planck Institute for Demographic Research
Warsh, Kevin, Former Governor, Federal Reserve Board
Wolfensohn, James D., Chairman, Wolfensohn & Company, LLC
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It's funny how 90% of the predictions of conspiracy theorists end up coming true sooner or later (political and economic, not aliens and bigfoot) and the rest of the people end up scratching their heads wondering what went wrong while being shoved lies from the mainstream media. Seeing trends and calculating the future is useful, hindsight isn't. The only reason people fear believing conspiracy theories is because it enforces the notion that they really don't have much control over their lives and property. Smart people on the other hand will see opportunity and use it in their favor (The collapse of the housing bubble made me a ton of money promoting a PPC campaign when barely anyone else was doing that particular niche ROFL).

I'm sure at anyone who believed in Operation Ajax or Northwoods (to name a few) were considered nuts until they were declassified in 2000, decades too late for anyone to even give a shit.
 
Yuckystuff said:
Ben Bernanke has more power than all the names on that list combined, that's my point. The Federal Reserve runs shit, not Charlie fucking Rose.
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Ben Bernanke is a puppet. Who own Federal Reserve? They got the power. Open your eyes.

In my opinion, anyone making fun of "conspiracy theories" and people like Alex Jones is a moron.
Everything these ppl have been predicting for decades is not coming true...

Can't you fucking see that you have been conditioned to just call anything that is a bit out of norm a conspiracy theory?

Better throw out your TV and follow infowars on a daily basis, so you know what's up and are not surprised when you wake up in a Nazi-Germany like country/world.
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLe9u9SffO0]John Perkins: "Zeitgeist: Addendum" Extended Interview 2008 - YouTube[/ame]
 
Andrey said:
In my opinion, anyone making fun of "conspiracy theories" and people like Alex Jones is a moron.
Everything these ppl have been predicting for decades is not coming true...
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This. Of course there is a conspiracy to kill the interwebs. There are hundreds huge companies lobbying for the same law... how do you think this happens?

Bilderberg is a think tank of powerful people. Call it conspiracy or whatever you want, but they exist to try and change laws to their favor.
 
Yuckystuff said:
Ben Bernanke has more power than all the names on that list combined, that's my point. The Federal Reserve runs shit, not Charlie fucking Rose.
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Ben Bernanke does not wield power, and the Fed is not the top of the pyramid. The managers of the member banks wield power, the ny fed most principally, and the ceos, boards, and investors of the major wall street banks who control the fed wield power above and through them. Bernanke is their bullet shield and can be replaced as easily as a press secretary.

Explain to me why inviting people of influence to an annual meeting to brainstorm matters of economic importance is an issue? Do you not expect these people to work together, and share ideas? Or is it only a problem because your local TV anchor isn't invited?
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It's a good question. Yeah, it's that they meet at all, and that they shun the media, absolutely. Fo me it's two specific reasons. One, government officials running around planning policy contrary to national interests with members of other countries is a federal felony - and lulz if you think policy is not planned here.

The Logan Act (18 U.S.C.A. § 953 [1948]) is a single federal statute making it a crime for a citizen to confer with foreign governments against the interests of the United States. Specifically, it prohibits citizens from negotiating with other nations on behalf of the United States without authorization.
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Two, and of course these things are related, there are only so many times that something terrible happens in the world that can be traced back to the Bilderberg/CFR/Trilateral/NWO crowd before I have to conclude that these fuckers are up to no good. It is a great deal more than simply 'working together and sharing ideas', and these people push just a tiny bit more power than the board of Gatorade or your lovely neighbors next door.

Elected officials are meeting with representatives of the world's most powerful institutions at a secretive invite-only conference that does not publish or discuss its internal affairs, and that has been linked to the organization and execution of wars, revolutions, market manipulation, civil rights violations, grooming political candidates, and plenty of other shady dealings. Of fucking course I want to know if they're the ones behind SOPA, and anything else they're pushing. I want to know which of the politicians in my country pull which strings, who they are loyal to and why, what other pies their fingers are in, and anything else about the fuckers that affects the political economy I live in.

I never understood why people point to meetings like this and act as if they're some secret puppet masters, and then completely fail to take notice of all the secret meetings that take place in governments and board rooms all over the world every single day. What exactly is the big deal - seriously?
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People don't fail to notice private meetings. I take activism where I can get it. It's ridiculous to shrug something like this off as inconsequential simply because smaller versions of them happen all the time without note.

And actually Bilderberg is indeed by far the most potent single meeting of world elites on the planet. This kind of things does not really happen all the time.

Think seriously about what you know about the power structures of the world, particularly the West/NATO states. Then read through that list again a couple times. Think about how much power and influence is truly represented at that table. It transcends government, industry, education, religion. There is every reason to inquire on the seriousness of these people meeting behind closed doors for a multi-day retreat.

And to your point earier in the thread, people are not always turned off by conspiracies because the people who espouse them inadequately clarify their positions. A lot of the time the points are made very well and the disconnect is because the people hearing them are mind controlled and/or considering the validity of the conspiracy requires them to step out of their comfort zone and reject basic understandings about the nature of the world that they have held for a long time and that makes them uncomfortable or requires them to burn a couple extra calories to push the neurons required for processing the new ideas.
 
i think people are really jumping the gun on this stuff. by the time any kind of authoritarian regime or whatever comes to power, people will have become tired of talking about all of this. bring it up in another 10 years and it might be more relevant - and the mainstream might actually listen because it will be in front of their face. things are still good now, may as well enjoy it.
 
Yuckystuff said:
People with money and power will always behave in a manner which enables them to maintain their money and power.
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You are right, but the thing is that they do not maintain their power, they are increasing their power, they are looking for a complete control of every aspect our lives.

Just look at food, water fluoridation, aluminum being sprayed on us regularly from airplanes, diminishing freedoms, economy getting shittier and shittier, street lights listening to you, war on drugs.

Look at pharma industry. Check out who has founded American Cancer Society. Check out who own a patent for chemotherapy.

Look at war on drugs and ban of marijuana, LSD, psychedelic mushrooms.

This list can go on forever and ever. I was actually thinking of making a site listing all the shit that is completely fucked up and putting up documentaries that reveal.

Of course, some of the conspiracy theories are BS, but there are more than you might think are not or are at least partially true.

You are right that rich and powerful has always done this kind of stuff, but can you deny that the shit is escalating out of control?

I like this quote by George Carlin:

"There's a reason for this, there's a reason education sucks, and it's the same reason it will never ever ever be fixed. It's never going to get any better. Don't look for it. Be happy with what you've got... because the owners of this country don’t want that. I'm talking about the real owners now... the real owners. The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions. Forget the politicians. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests. That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fuckin’ years ago. They don’t want that. You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shittier jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it. And now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your fuckin' retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street. And you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later 'cause they own this fuckin' place. It’s a big club and you ain't in it. You and I are not in the big club. By the way, it’s the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. Good, honest, hard-working people: white collar, blue collar, it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good, honest, hard-working people continue — these are people of modest means — continue to elect these rich cocksuckers who don’t give a fuck about them. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t give a fuck about you. They don’t care about you at all! At all! At all! And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes every day, because the owners of this country know the truth. It’s called the American Dream, 'cause you have to be asleep to believe it."
 
jenzkc said:
i think people are really jumping the gun on this stuff. by the time any kind of authoritarian regime or whatever comes to power, people will have become tired of talking about all of this. bring it up in another 10 years and it might be more relevant - and the mainstream might actually listen because it will be in front of their face. things are still good now, may as well enjoy it.
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Are you fucking kidding me? Hell, even if it is 10 years down the road.. that's pretty fucking soon. Too bad it isn't 10 years away. Do you not understand that things happen at an accelerated rate? Do you not see the slow erosion of our rights? What about the ever increasing invasion of privacy.. You think it will stop?

It is as relevant as it could be RIGHT NOW. Are you paying attention at all?

And in ten years the mainstream won't give a shit about it for the same reason they don't give a shit about it now.. it's fake. An intentional distraction. It's right in front of your face right now. It's called incrementalism, and it's obviously very effective.
 
Andrey said:
I am not 100% sure, but Zeitgeist might be NWO propoganda movie/movement. Just check the solutions they are proposing...
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I take it all with a pinch of salt. You have to think if John Perkins was a threat to the 'system', they'd most likely bribe him with a sum he just couldn't say no to. If they couldn't corrupt and silence him with money, I'm sure they could engineer a legitimate looking way of removing him if they really wanted to. Whoever THEY are.

I think John's fantastic story teller, but how much truth is in his stories? Well I'm afraid that's open to much debate and speculation.
 
Yuckystuff said:
Why would we be invited? Why would they share what they're discussing with us? Believing anything else is pretty naive.
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Like for example believing that they are working in concert to weaken and bankrupt national states, create world governing bodies, concolidate money supplies, suppress technology, and keep people in states of tribal conflict?

They don't all have to tell everyone everything. But if an elected politician goes, they do indeed have to spill the beans. You're OK with an elected politician attending a meeting like this and not talking about what he 'discussed' with his constituency?

By the way Bernanke's been twice

The people that run these institutions aren't there, but Charlie Rose and the co-founder of Facebook is so I should be worried?
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I don't know how to respond to that. If you can't see the extent of the confluence of power represented at the Bilderberg meeting nothing I'm going to say will make a difference.

Can you imagine how shit would get blown out of proportion if Sean Hannity and Rachel Maddow were invited to report on the discussions?
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lol considering their bosses attend these meetings i'm not sure if your question even makes sense to ask.

Can you provide some examples?
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yeah...but I'd rather you go read about them yourself. See Iraq war, I and II, 9/11, Clinton's presidency, Obama and Kerry's vp choices, the Mohammad comic fiasco, gas going to $4-$5/gallon, funding the IMF, the great recession, the bailout, iran war planning, etc etc etc.

Why? Will you like SOPA more or less based on that information?
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For me it's not a question of liking it. It's a question of fighting it more effectively. I'm not an armchair quarterback, I'm an activist, have been for years, will be til my dying day. I don't just read the news and get mad and sit there and stew or shrug my shoulders. I do things to change the world however I can. For me political knowledge and insight is not a simple hobby or a matter of being able to talk or debate with people. It's something to use proactively and do constructive things with.

I can assure you, if it was such a big secret you wouldn't have the list of attendees.
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It sounds like you don't know much about the history of Bilderberg meetings. Their existence was denied for decades by media outlets around the world. People plan months in advance to infiltrate the venues of their meetings to get close to employees and set up for getting info. Some indie journalists have made it their life's work to expose Bilderberg for what it is. It's only been in the last few years that major media has turned the corner from denying it to demonizing people who think it is significant. Disguises, smoked out windows, black suits, fire alarms, running through woods hopping fences, moles, whistleblowers. It's about as cloak and dagger as it gets.

Yes, the list of attendees is a collection of highly accomplished, very bright individuals. I'd be very worried if a bunch of retards were meeting to shape public policy.
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Then like a lot of other people i'm guessing you just don't appreciate the evil nature of the people at the top. They're not just 'bouncing ideas off of each other'. They are literally organizing for mass depopulation, geoengineering, worldwide tracking and surveillance, and so many more awful things.

the fact that conspiracies exist, doesn't mean every little thing is the result of some overarching plan for a New World Order.
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just keep this in mind: the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he did not exist.
 
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