Confused Believer

erect said:
Wow, you're utterly unfulfilling ... someone page bluejammmm, I need a real atheist in the house.
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Its not my fault that you can't comprehend the fact that the people who wrote the bible decided to use the words days instead of using something which would be far more descriptive and explanitory.

Thats your problem, you never answer a question, you just hop back and claim superiority, which is a rediculous way to enter any debate.

If my understanding seems to be so much lower than yours, then more the fool you for coming back for more.
 


EXAMINATION ON GOD'S EXISTENCE

REIMktg said:
Simple enough.

A sincere believer that honestly sought answers to their questions and researched the ways in which each passage of the Bible has been thoroughly vetted would not be at all confused. An anti-Christian would be the one who would post such a letter in order to lead people astray without taking into context their selective quotes.

It is amazing how many modern day lay people feel they can outwit and trump the intellectual examinations that Christianity has already survived.

This is one religion that invites all to "come let us reason together".
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Many of the great philosophers of all time have weighed in to take their shots. SEE: Funguzz Vizzion: Does God Exist?: Mysteries of the Universe Unraveled (Episode No. well whatever episode number it is)

But through it all...God remains standing on His throne.
 
What a bullshit thread.

Can't believe religious people still hark on about moral substance when religious books are filled with the most immoral shite known to man.

Morality does not come from religion. Morality is the basic human trait between knowing right and wrong.
 
It's important to keep in mind that the bible, Jesus, god, and religion are all open for interpretation, and people rarely agree 100%. It's difficult to have an effective discussion without acknowledging and defining these terms. Reading this thread, that much seems obvious.

That said.. The bible is full of parables and has also been distorted and twisted to meet the needs of kings and governments. Without such distortion and abuse, religion can and has been a positive presence in society. In fact, if you read up on Gnostic Christianity, it teaches that Jesus was a sort of modern day conspiracy theorist.. trying to wake people up to the system. Gnostic Christianity was the inspiration for "The Matrix".

Faith is what's important. For years I internally made fun of my family for their staunch religious beliefs. With age, I realized that I was being extremely close minded (as many in this thread are imo)... Religion was the vehicle for them to cultivate the all important emotion of faith, and faith can heal just as negative emotions can destroy. It's important to have faith in your life, and I'm glad my family was able to use religion to achieve that. Other people/groups have used religion for far less admirable achievements.

I'm not necessarily religious, but I do believe in god/energy/spirituality, and I do use that belief to cultivate faith in myself, my life course, and the collective course of humanity.

Am I misled? I don't think so, but many of you may, but I think your're missing the point... religion is a personal tool... don't point the finger at religion in general, point the finger at the entity misusing the tool.
 
erect said:
Nope, no pain involved for anyone who has done 5 minutes of critical thinking on it. You really can't see how bacteria could be beneficial to an intelligent designer?

This is very weak argument and it sounds like grasping for straws TBH.
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Not sure what the argument was because I'm not scrolling back up in this mess of a thread and reading it all again but if the argument it was 'there is no god because god wouldn't be a mass murderer', you're right (I guess. I mean I do feel a little silly arguing about what a god would be like if he/she did exist because that could be a billion types to choose from. Another reason why the Christian god most likely doesn't exist. The math is wrong. But I digress.) Anyways, we all know that the christian god is a mass murderer anyways.

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I've had someone ask me. What if you're wrong? If they were right? I said: You mean the god that condones murdering homosexuals? Stoning women? Raping your child? A god, so fucking arrogant that he would only turn you a way for one reason and it's not those horrific sins...it's because you didn't "accept him into your heart"? No thanks, I'll take my chances elsewhere.
 
Dark Cognitive said:
The reason the bible is incompatable with the theory of evolution is because it says god created man in his image in the space of a few days, where as the theory of evolution states we have evolved over millions of years to get to where we are now. You simply cannot beleive both to be true at the same time unless you bend the rules, but i noticed you slipped in 'Intelligent Designer' into your post so no prizes for guessing where thats headed.
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Though I have no problem with an Old Earth, it is fascinating how some feel it is even relevant. If this being, God, is capable of doing all that he claims am I going to not believe it because I say he cannot compress all of the aspects of evolutionary process into that day?

Think on that for a moment. You do not believe because God says it happened in a day, yet you are OK with the rest of the claims? If God can do one, he can do the other.

As for bending the rules, I think that once again, as stated above, if we accept this Creator that is outside of our dimension doing the Creating, surely we do not even know the "rules".

Disbelieve if you want, but your argument as stated should be abandoned.
 
turbolapp said:
Not sure what the argument was because I'm not scrolling back up in this mess of a thread and reading it all again but if the argument it was 'there is no god because god wouldn't be a mass murderer', you're right (I guess. I mean I do feel a little silly arguing about what a god would be like if he/she did exist because that could be a billion types to choose from. Another reason why the Christian god most likely doesn't exist. The math is wrong. But I digress.) Anyways, we all know that the christian god is a mass murderer anyways.

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I've had someone ask me. What if you're wrong? If they were right? I said: You mean the god that condones murdering homosexuals? Stoning women? Raping your child? A god, so fucking arrogant that he would only turn you a way for one reason and it's not those horrific sins...it's because you didn't "accept him into your heart"? No thanks, I'll take my chances elsewhere.
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Interesting how your arguments take a different twist than others. The answers are actually sourced much deeper in Philosophy than anything else.

1. The math may be right. Are the Jews back in the land? Is Israel not the center of worldwide turmoil? There are only a few religions that have been preserved over time that dominate the world each of which are rooted in the beginning. The math may be better than you think.

2. God as mass murderer? I condone killing in certain instances. Surely your from TX, you do also. If you accept there is a God then his "murders" cannot be judged because by God's nature we do not have all the information as would He. If you deny God upfront, then how can you attribute the murder's to Him? Maybe it is Humans using Him as an Excuse?

3. As for stoning etc. God hates when we deviate from his plan because that deviation causes much more harm far beyond the act itself. This harm has aggregated into a world full of death, suffering, destruction, etc. God sees how each individual departure combines to the whole. That too would devastate me, as it would I am certain, you. If you knew, like the Butterfly effect, that a single action or set of actions on behalf of your child would cause their immense suffering over life and immense suffering on others, even if it seemed harmless at the time, how aggressively would you want to stop it?
 
jacky8 said:
Absolutely wrong. Pretty sure you haven't read any, bro
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Well since morals are completely subjective, you're right. I'm pretty sure that if we all started reenacting the morals in the bible, most average people would be horrified, but since your morals are your own, you might be totally cool with it.
 
REIMktg said:
Interesting how your arguments take a different twist than others. The answers are actually sourced much deeper in Philosophy than anything else.

1. The math may be right. Are the Jews back in the land? Is Israel not the center of worldwide turmoil? There are only a few religions that have been preserved over time that dominate the world each of which are rooted in the beginning. The math may be better than you think.

2. God as mass murderer? I condone killing in certain instances. Surely your from TX, you do also. If you accept there is a God then his "murders" cannot be judged because by God's nature we do not have all the information as would He. If you deny God upfront, then how can you attribute the murder's to Him? Maybe it is Humans using Him as an Excuse?

3. As for stoning etc. God hates when we deviate from his plan because that deviation causes much more harm far beyond the act itself. This harm has aggregated into a world full of death, suffering, destruction, etc. God sees how each individual departure combines to the whole. That too would devastate me, as it would I am certain, you. If you knew, like the Butterfly effect, that a single action or set of actions on behalf of your child would cause their immense suffering over life and immense suffering on others, even if it seemed harmless at the time, how aggressively would you want to stop it?
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1. Totally off. I was talking about the probability of you getting your God right out of a billion possibilities. You've got a 1 in a billion odds there. God Luck Bros.

2. Since I don't believe in your God, I don't attribute anything to your God, good or bad. If you murder it's your own choice. I was answering the question that said what If I was wrong. Since I really don't think I am (obviously) then your question is invalid.

3. See #2. We really can't argue something like that when we can't agree on the premises.
 
erect said:
@rusky .. you know of a link to that USSR video with english subs. Reading what was said add much depth, the old generation they interviewed probably remember the years after WWII very, very well.
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Looked around; couldn't find one. Sorry. But yeah the stories are pretty heart breaking.
 
Yahweh or Jehovah diagnostically fits all the classic clinical definitions of a psychopath.

Not to mention he is schizophrenic, sometimes referring to himself as "we" (The Elohim) and other times he's just himself.

To give a psychopath one iota of your attention and to allow his rules or ideas to influence how you live your life is, well, psychopathic.

The New Testament was tacked on and has no relevance to book one (the Old Testament.) Take an altruistic, mystically gifted, immensely loving dude and link him to a psychopathic "father?" Yeah, right. As if the two things could in any way be connected.

Bunch of bullshit top to bottom, this worshipping of psychopathic ET gods right off the Mothership torturing humanity into a state of permanent cognitive dissonance just because they impressed humanity with a few laser beams, spaceship appearances, violent advanced weaponry, etc. The entirety of religion is just a bunch of critters running around pretending to be "gods" -- except for Jesus who, if he was real, was cool, and who always said humans were capable of doing everything he did and more -- so, not a god then, just a cool dude.
 
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