HOLY SHIT BATMAN! Bound Delegates May Not be Bound at all!

I was at the Republican county convention last night for my county. After going through all the housekeeping Roberts Rules of Order bullshit, they had to take a roll of delegates. The rules are different in every state, and their implementation varies from county to county.

I registered to be a precinct delegate, as did pretty much all of the RP people, however, that election is held in August and won't really be good for anything until 2014 election. The current county delegates were all existing precinct delegates from 2010, which means you have a lot of establishment republicans. They had a higher turnout than usual, because they were expecting us and didn't want to lose their delegate spots to RP people.

However, out of the 87 precinct delegates, 12 didn't show up so they were replaced with 12 alternates, some of them were RP people. Then when it came time to replace the 12 alternates the Republican party tried to pull a fast one and just use the existing delegate names that hadn't shown up, but the RP regional leader (who was sexy as hell by the way) called them out on it. She forced them to fill the 12 spots with volunteers that were actually present, all of which were RP people.

That's the good news. The bad news is those delegates will go to the state convention on May 18th and if any delegates don't show up, they will be replaced with alternates which may be RP people. But then from there, only a handful will go on to the national convention and I don't think the RP people have enough establishment positions to send their delegates, so don't expect a win in Michigan...this year.

However, since Michigan moved their primary up without permission from the national party, they penalized Michigan by only allowing us to send half our normal delegates, which is good since they'll mostly be Romney people. If you see on the news that the RNC has changes their mind and decided to be nice and let Michigan have all of their delegates, you'll know it's because they need more Romney delegates.

I went because I wanted to see how the "sausage is made", and I've never expected RP to win this election, but what I do see is the Republican Party is definitely being taken over at the grass roots level by RP-minded people which bodes VERY well for future elections. Now I see why they are taking this strategy - it isn't to win in 2012, it's to reshape the Republican Party for years to come. The Republican Party you see today will not exist in 8-12 years, it will be a much younger, more Libertarian party.
 
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Did I really just read that Luke?

He's talking about dailypaul.com not digitalpoint. that was fucking with me too until I figured out what he was talking about lol.


Nice find btw luke, you beat me to it. I was going to come post this this morning.
Things are getting even more interesting is all I'm going to say. If the delegates are indeed unbound it's going to be extremely close and RP could win it.

Then it's on to figuring out how to stop electronic machines from flipping votes...

I went because I wanted to see how the "sausage is made", and I've never expected RP to win this election, but what I do see is the Republican Party is definitely being taken over at the grass roots level by RP-minded people which bodes VERY well for future elections. Now I see why they are taking this strategy - it isn't to win in 2012, it's to reshape the Republican Party for years to come. The Republican Party you see today will not exist in 8-12 years, it will be a much younger, more Libertarian party.

I thought this all along too and you're right in that the overall goal is to reshape things and it's working. But that said, he very well could still win, it's going to be a too close to call situation until the day of the convention is my guess because we have no idea how many RP supporters claimed to be Romney supporters to get delegate seats.
 
I thought this all along too and you're right in that the overall goal is to reshape things and it's working. But that said, he very well could still win, it's going to be a too close to call situation until the day of the convention is my guess because we have no idea how many RP supporters claimed to be Romney supporters to get delegate seats.

I didn't mean to sound like he can't win, because he can. My point is to let people know that if Romney does win, it doesn't mean all is lost. In fact, if RP loses it's really just delaying the inevitable because the Republican establishment is losing the party and it doesn't look like they can do anything to stop it. The groundwork is being laid to change the party completely for future elections. The RP people have gained and are gaining A LOT of delegate spots and party spots, and these people are not going to give up if he doesn't win in 2012 - they will be reshaping things in 2014, 2016 and beyond. This platform is about a lot more than 2012 and I didn't realize it until yesterday.

By the way, I can confirm that bound delegates are not actually bound. The way it works (I think) is you are bound at the state level, but at the national convention, national rules take over. The binding of delegates is done on a state level, which is superseded by national convention rules. National conventions rules do not require bound delegates to do anything. They can vote however they want. This is why if RP can force a brokered convention by having enough delegates, he can actually win the nomination.

Our election process is so much different than I ever realized, so I can imagine how clueless 99% of the public is about this shit.
 
Guys, really still riding on Ron Paul?

You're all in for an awakening...I don't think much is going to come of Ron Paul, sorry. He's too out there and too anti-establishment to really ever be considered a realistic candidate
 
I didn't mean to sound like he can't win, because he can. My point is to let people know that if Romney does win, it doesn't mean all is lost. In fact, if RP loses it's really just delaying the inevitable because the Republican establishment is losing the party and it doesn't look like they can do anything to stop it. The groundwork is being laid to change the party completely for future elections. The RP people have gained and are gaining A LOT of delegate spots and party spots, and these people are not going to give up if he doesn't win in 2012 - they will be reshaping things in 2014, 2016 and beyond. This platform is about a lot more than 2012 and I didn't realize it until yesterday.

By the way, I can confirm that bound delegates are not actually bound. The way it works (I think) is you are bound at the state level, but at the national convention, national rules take over. The binding of delegates is done on a state level, which is superseded by national convention rules. National conventions rules do not require bound delegates to do anything. They can vote however they want. This is why if RP can force a brokered convention by having enough delegates, he can actually win the nomination.

Our election process is so much different than I ever realized, so I can imagine how clueless 99% of the public is about this shit.

I agree with you, this has been the ultimate goal of groups like Republican Liberty Caucus and Campaign for Liberty (and many other groups) and they've been doing an amazing job. Things are changing for the better, it's probably just not as fast as most of us would like it.
 
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Just donated moar monies.
 
Guys, really still riding on Ron Paul?

You're all in for an awakening...I don't think much is going to come of Ron Paul, sorry. He's too out there and too anti-establishment to really ever be considered a realistic candidate


fine.. let's just give up and vote for the establishment pick.... Barrack Obama.

Let's also give up on speaking out on mega corporations and banks. Let's see how far they are willing to push the envelope? Why Care? As long as I have my NFL football and American Idol what do I care if my country continues to gets raped.


Nothings wrong with our country. I mean there is a 78% increase in Autism since 2002. 1 in 78, 1 in 54 for boys. Maybe when the number is down to 1 in 10, or 1 in 2 Americans who Can't function or Talk right, then there will be a problem. For now, everything is cool.

Let's not worry about the 30,000 Drones in the air by 2020

Let's not worry about our phones being tapped, our emails being read or our bank info compromised.

Let's not worry about getting accused of domestic terrorism and being detained without a lawyer. Those powers won't be abused right?

What to believe or not? TSA Checkpoints and Domestic Passports? The Death of the Dollar? Human Microchips? Food Shortages?

With the patterns that have formed since 9/11/2001 anything seems possible at this point.

Because the 1 guy who speaks out against THIS establishment is not the ideal pick of the establishment, lets just give up. Because obviously we have nothing to fight for. Right?
 
Right because the 45 million people on Welfare even vote in the first place!
Garrett - I got news for you, they get picked up on buses and dropped off at polling stations. And if they don't show - someone votes for them.

The Obama administration is fighting against having people show picture IDs before voting. Think about that.
 
I hate to pipe out on politics, however I am not sure how you can call Ron Paul ahead when he has lost in every major primary that has been held. If he has been having the crowds that some people have suggested as more that Romeny then why has that not turned into some hard numbers in the polls? I am sorry to say this but Ron Paul is a dead horse, no matter how much you beat its tune it is not getting up!!!

Not to be offensive, but you clearly don't understand the election process. Those votes literally mean nothing. The only thing that counts are delegate votes. Don't feel bad though, because most Americans have no clue how the actual process works either.
 
fine.. let's just give up and vote for the establishment pick.... Barrack Obama.

Let's also give up on speaking out on mega corporations and banks. Let's see how far they are willing to push the envelope? Why Care? As long as I have my NFL football and American Idol what do I care if my country continues to gets raped.


Nothings wrong with our country. I mean there is a 78% increase in Autism since 2002. 1 in 78, 1 in 54 for boys. Maybe when the number is down to 1 in 10, or 1 in 2 Americans who Can't function or Talk right, then there will be a problem. For now, everything is cool.

Let's not worry about the 30,000 Drones in the air by 2020

Let's not worry about our phones being tapped, our emails being read or our bank info compromised.

Let's not worry about getting accused of domestic terrorism and being detained without a lawyer. Those powers won't be abused right?

What to believe or not? TSA Checkpoints and Domestic Passports? The Death of the Dollar? Human Microchips? Food Shortages?

With the patterns that have formed since 9/11/2001 anything seems possible at this point.

Because the 1 guy who speaks out against THIS establishment is not the ideal pick of the establishment, lets just give up. Because obviously we have nothing to fight for. Right?

The Autism rate is up, because for years they misdiagnosed Autism as other things. It's not because the cases of Autism suddenly spike for some reason.
 
The Paulite Legalitätsstrategie seems to be working out.
Sorry I missed you before jcash; your reference is funny, but as usual wrong as Wagenheim.

Even the Washington Post says so: Ron Paul delegate strategy is perfectly legitimate | Washington Times Communities


Then it's on to figuring out how to stop electronic machines from flipping votes...
Yeah, that's true enough. It's not just these silly RNC rules we have to play by anymore, but the big-boy rules instead. -I'm confident there is a committee working that out right now, because otherwise Obama will win by a landslide for sure.

Which reminds me, the Vote-flipping thing I posted about a month or two ago is still alive and well, just not progressing. I wish we knew some famous mathemat


I don't think much is going to come of Ron Paul, sorry.
That's just because you haven't been paying attention. You'll see sooner or later, bro.

He's too out there and too anti-establishment to really ever be considered a realistic candidate
Sounds familliar... Oh yeah, that's JUST what the RNC & MSM keep saying about him every chane they get. I knew I'd heard that somewhere before... Luckily the numbers of delegates and ppl in the crowds thoroughly disprove this coordinated lie.


The Obama administration is fighting against having people show picture IDs before voting. Think about that.
That is truly something to consider... I have to say that Minus ACORN's votes, Obama might not have won so easily, but then again it's hard to tell if those ppl actually pushed the "Obama Button" in their closed booths because they were bribed, or because they wanted to see the first Black man in office... Could be either or both.

So assuming we can overcome the problem of EVF/vote Flipping, then getting Honest Ron the presidency becomes a question of if enough of the masses have been converted yet to outweight the bribed lowlifes.

I'd say we're probably not there yet, but at the current rate of growth it could be really easy to blow right past them.



Here's a new video explaining Rule #38... There is some question if rule #15 supercedes it but otherwise it would mean there are NO real bindings at all, and every Delegate nationwide would be free to vote Paul in the 1st vote! (And there is little doubt we'd win if so.)

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTlAusSVZiI]RNC Cheats Ron Paul and "The Unit Rule" UNBINDS ALL DELEGATES! - YouTube[/ame]

So like most else in this nation; it'll be down to lawyers deciding between conflicting rules. I'll look forward to hearing back from the Paul campaign on this one.
 
I have been a fan of Paul from the first time I heard him speak.
Who cares about party, polls, positions, delegates.
Just look at each of these guys, in turn, answer the same question.
Romney and Frothy, Newt and O-faga are just your typical doublespeak politicians, doesn't everyone see that?
They make shit up, they say what you want to hear..
then listen to Paul answer the same question.

I mean it's super super super clear who should run this country.

LukeP get me a video on that will ya hahaha :)
I think that this election is SOOOOO important, the world is literally hanging in the balance.

Should you talk about American Idol over coffee today or saving hundreds of millions of lives, and ending an enormous amount of REAL suffering.
Jersey Shore discussion tonight or how we could be jailed for no reason, with no recourse until WHENEVER the decide to let you out. You know that's real right? You are going to wake up stripped of your rights I am just saying here.

This is a HUGE election, don't downplay it, don't let any moron downplay it. Anyone not voting for Paul is just plain misinformed and needs to be helped realize what is at stake.
 
Nothings wrong with our country. I mean there is a 78% increase in Autism since 2002. 1 in 78, 1 in 54 for boys. Maybe when the number is down to 1 in 10, or 1 in 2 Americans who Can't function or Talk right, then there will be a problem. For now, everything is cool.

I know I could probably look this up in google but I would rather hear it from someone who has more knowledge about it then I do on here. Why is there a 78% increase in Autism, what is the reasoning?
 
This is a HUGE election, don't downplay it, don't let any moron downplay it. Anyone not voting for Paul is just plain misinformed and needs to be helped realize what is at stake.
Too bad no one around here will step up and lead a serious effort to organize all of us Gay webmasters to promote key sites to help the campaign...
 
I know I could probably look this up in google but I would rather hear it from someone who has more knowledge about it then I do on here. Why is there a 78% increase in Autism, what is the reasoning?

vaccinations, of course.