What Really Causes Heart Disease?
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Bro.. I have seen guys eat up to 8k calories a day and not get fat.
Anybody who starts talking about burned cals having to be equal to cal intake in order to not get fat, it just doesn't work like that. I wish to fuck I could post up a scientific article to prove it, but your're right, I can't, but I have seen the shit. Time and time again. A cal is not a cal.
Michael Phelps is a good example of my point. Often eats 10000 calories per day and not the greatest diet. Read about his breakfasts.
I'm nearly 30 years old for one. I keep active surfing so I'm not your average American slob. You also have to understand how I choose my meat. Now don't get the idea that I'm eating ribeye steaks every day of the week. I'm also not eating pounds of bacon or cured meat products.
I always look for low fat cuts of beef in the first place, like the round. Top, Bottom, Eye of Round are all very lean cuts of meat, comparable to chicken breast. So most of my fat intake is not from the beef itself. I use olive oils for cooking and also nuts to round out my fat intake. I also supplement a little fish oil because I hate eating fish, I can't stand the taste.
For carbohydrates, I keep it simple and natural like oats, rice (brown or white doesn't matter) and potatoes. I limit myself to roughly 150g daily from carbohydrates. If I want something sweet, I like to eat blackberries or green apple slices with some lime juice on them.
I think people focus entirely too much on vitamins/fatty acids/etc. If you eat a balanced diet you will get most of them regardless. The only one I do supplement big time is Vitamin D, because although I do surf constantly, I always use sunblock. With biz, I like you guys I imagine, don't get outside as much.
Quite simply the reason you aren't getting fat is because you are eating around your maintenance. You probably exercise or are pretty active.
I'm going to reiterate. A calorie is a calorie, it's just what is with those calories. A calorie in food approximates the energy needed to increase the temperature of 1 kilogram of water by 1°C. This is exactly 1,000 small calories or 4.2 kilojoules.
This does not change. Period.
This does not change. Period.
As far as a calorie being a calorie in the scientific calculation of human energy expenditure, then yes, you are correct.. a calorie is a calorie. But the human body isn't a fucking light bulb.. different calorie sources affect your hormone and stress levels differently for one example (out of thousands).. and these things all affect how you metabolize fats, proteins, etc.. So, therefore, in dietary terms.. a cal is not a cal, and you will get fatter from eating 2k cals of potato chips than if you ate 2k cals of salmon. How can anyone argue against this?
Your argument on glucose is glucose was much stronger, and harder to disprove.
Your argument on glucose is glucose was much stronger, and harder to disprove.
If you don't want to buy these books then I will will buy them for you myself.
BARNES & NOBLE | Genetic Roulette: The Documented Health Risks of Genetically Engineered Foods by Jeffrey M. Smith, Chelsea Green Publishing | Hardcover
BARNES & NOBLE | Seeds of Deception: Exposing Industry and Government Lies about the Safety of the Genetically Engineered Foods You're Eating by Jeffrey M. Smith, Yes! Books | NOOK Book (eBook), Paperback
This has all the proof you need and more.
Because your body can't cheat physics. Case in point? The Twinkie Diet
Twinkie diet helps nutrition professor lose 27 pounds - CNN.com
Basics, the guy's maintenance was 2600 calories a day, he ate less then 1800 calories of complete garbage. He lost 27 lbs. Every one of his health markers (cholesterol/triglycerides) improved.
Ok, You fags went and made me dig up proof:
Are all calories equal? Things are not what they seem.. | WestonAPrice.org
/thread I'm out
Are all calories equal? Things are not what they seem.. | WestonAPrice.org
/thread I'm out
Obviously the source matters but it isn't the caloric content itself that affects this. A calorie is still just a calorie.
Of how much chemical energy the food you are eating provides. In this sense just like the Twinkie diet shows...the body behaves like a simple machine.
Similar to a car engine, shit builds up over time clogging it. It'll never become newer from driving it, you can just reduce the buildup over time.
You could lose weight eating cardboard or lard if you only ate 500 calories of it. Doesn't make it healthy or well balanced and will lead to nutrient deficiency and chronic problems.
At the same time a cup of various plant matter is usually around 100 calories, you'd have to eat 20 cups just to break even. (lot of food) Plants are like little nutrient factories processing sunlight with nutrients from the soil. They're dense in nutrients, low in calories.
You can eat 500 calories of grease and your stomach will be empty and telling you you're hungry an hour later.
Your first link is to a paper about the protective effects of serum HDL-Cholesterol, and how they are reduced in individuals with high serum C-Reactive Protein levels. CRP is an inflammatory mediator.
Why did you post this, given that your original claim was that dietary saturated fat and cholesterol intake are major risk factors for CVD/CHD? What does this have to do with your argument?
The second link you posted supports my position. It's a literature review (not a study), entitled:
"Saturated fat and cardiovascular disease: The discrepancy between the
scientific literature and dietary advice"
Which discusses, in detail, the fact that the dietary advice given out by public health authorities isn't supported by scientific evidence, on the whole.
For some reason, you've chosen to paste some of the "advice" from this paper as supporting your claims, even though the rest of the paper then uses evidence to show how unsupported this advice is.
Did you even read the article?
Of course he didn't. Nobody is trying to refute the twinkie diet either, it's just being ignored because it doesn't fit with their narrative.
You're changing your argument now. What Papajohn and I were pointing out is simply that calories are created equal when it comes weight gain or weight loss. Again see the TWINKIE DIET link I posted. Neither of us argued about calories in relation to health, only weight.
Your talking vitamins, nutrients and satiety which has absolutely NOTHING to do with weight gain or loss.
Calm down bros
Heart Disease Tied to Depression, Anger
Tobacco is part of nature and so was the potato famine.
Did he? It's like when people said there was no proof that Casey Anthony killed her kid, that didn't mean they were saying they knew for sure that she didn't do it, but people still interpreted it that way.
Looking at the descriptions, it would appear that if these are accurate it would be proof in the same way that one might "prove" that Casey Anthony sometimes lied and acted suspicious.
Now I wouldn't let a kid be babysat by Casey Anthony, but I would let a child eat Fruit Loops once in awhile. If GMO vegetables and fruit are dangerous, are they more dangerous than Fruit Loops or hot dogs? Someone can say that hot dogs are "bad" for people and they can be correct, but everyone would have thought they were "good" during the potato famine.
Heart Disease Tied to Depression, Anger
Tobacco is part of nature and so was the potato famine.
Did he? It's like when people said there was no proof that Casey Anthony killed her kid, that didn't mean they were saying they knew for sure that she didn't do it, but people still interpreted it that way.
Looking at the descriptions, it would appear that if these are accurate it would be proof in the same way that one might "prove" that Casey Anthony sometimes lied and acted suspicious.
Now I wouldn't let a kid be babysat by Casey Anthony, but I would let a child eat Fruit Loops once in awhile. If GMO vegetables and fruit are dangerous, are they more dangerous than Fruit Loops or hot dogs? Someone can say that hot dogs are "bad" for people and they can be correct, but everyone would have thought they were "good" during the potato famine.