Israeli News Reports Obama promising attack on Iran by next June

pewep said:
You're dumb bro :). No doubt about that. Keep hiding your head in the sand and pretend that "the boogeyman" isn't real. That's all you loons are good at anyway. I never said the US is all powerful. I said assemble enough radioactive material to make a nuke and it can be detected through dozens of feet of lead in SPACE. There's a difference, fucking retard.
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Why can nuclear subs not be found? Not easy to find... if by space you could see all this material?

Your not always right.
 


Do you have any evidence whatsoever substantiating your claims about nucler subs? Or did you get all your tripe from tom clancy?
 
ThisWebThing said:
Why can nuclear subs not be found? Not easy to find... if by space you could see all this material?

Your not always right.
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Please, try and use logic. you don't build a nuke on a sub, and you don't build a nuke overnight. Obviously that shit takes a long time and you need technology, infrastructure, and know how in order to create a nuke. The U.S. has surveillance on radioactive material around the world, to the point where they can use satellites to spot radioactivity with nuclear warhead levels. Look at the links pewep posted earlier if you don't believe this.

The U.S. would know if Iran had nuke, and guess what? We know they aren't. If Iran suddenly had a nuke, the whole world would fucking know about it. That being said, just because Iran might be trying to harness nuclear energy and possibly build nukes doesn't mean the U.S. can go in and blow all their shit up. We will anyway though, its inevitable.



On a more related note to the thread, you should watch this video (10 min):

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AkxmS6lJC0]History of U.S. Intervention in Iran - 1953 Until Present - YouTube[/ame]


It'll help you understand Iran - U.S. relations a bit more
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Why? Is Iran supposed to be more dangerous than North Korea or Pakistan?
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Yes...


Pakistan is dangerous but multifaceted, they "help" at the same time as hindering and attacking.

North Korea is bankrupt and starving, China won't let them do anything crazy. China are their biggest sponsor and only friend.

Iran supports Hamas, Hezbollah, Shiite militia in Iraq, insurgents in Afghan, set off bombs around the world (Thailand, Bulgaria, India) just in this year.

People with responsibilty and power who potentially have the power to use any WMDs also have stated that Israel has no right to exist and should be wiped off the map.

Theyve threatened to close the strait of Hormuz, captured british sailors and held them for weeks. In the past theve stormed embassies, taken hostages (iranian hostage crisis) and attacked the British embassy in Tehran more recently.

So yeah they're a lot more dangerous.

BBC News - Iran protesters storm UK embassy in Tehran

http://www.youtube.com/embed/TgGyyRTP4fU

BBC NEWS | In pictures: Iran hostage crisis
 
pixelo said:
Yes...


Pakistan is dangerous but multifaceted, they "help" at the same time as hindering and attacking.

North Korea is bankrupt and starving, China won't let them do anything crazy. China are their biggest sponsor and only friend.

Iran supports Hamas, Hezbollah, Shiite militia in Iraq, insurgents in Afghan, set off bombs around the world (Thailand, Bulgaria, India) just in this year.

People with responsibilty and power who potentially have the power to use any WMDs also have stated that Israel has no right to exist and should be wiped off the map.

Theyve threatened to close the strait of Hormuz, captured british sailors and held them for weeks. In the past theve stormed embassies, taken hostages (iranian hostage crisis) and attacked the British embassy in Tehran more recently.

So yeah they're a lot more dangerous.

BBC News - Iran protesters storm UK embassy in Tehran

Iranian Embassy Siege in London - Intervention by S.A.S. - YouTube

BBC NEWS | In pictures: Iran hostage crisis
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Is this where we compare the number of innocent people killed by Iran vs the number of innocent people killed by the US? Before we even get into anything else, you should justify the moral authority of the US to begin aggression against Iran. Other than "it's our team", what moral authority can you claim for the US to start killing Iranians?

If you acknowledge we don't have the moral authority to begin killing Iranians, then do any of these articles, claims, statements etc really matter? This isn't a fucking video game - innocent men, women and children that happened to have born on the other side of the world have just as much of a right to a peaceful existence as you or I, do they not?
 
Unarmed Gunman said:
Is this where we compare the number of innocent people killed by Iran vs the number of innocent people killed by the US? Before we even get into anything else, you should justify the moral authority of the US to begin aggression against Iran. Other than "it's our team", what moral authority can you claim for the US to start killing Iranians?

If you acknowledge we don't have the moral authority to begin killing Iranians, then do any of these articles, claims, statements etc really matter? This isn't a fucking video game - innocent men, women and children that happened to have born on the other side of the world have just as much of a right to a peaceful existence as you or I, do they not?
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Totally with you on that point - arbitrarily attacking them and starting a war is a bad idea.

But Iran is dangerous, not sure what the solution is but having them with a nuclear weapon is bad news for everyone.
 
pixelo said:
Theyve threatened to close the strait of Hormuz
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That makes them dangerous?

captured british sailors and held them for weeks.
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If you're talking about 2007 they detained them, not captured them, and it was for less than two weeks. The British have been making the Persians' lives miserable for centuries. A few sailors flying the British flag who navigate into Iranian waters and are held for a short period of time before being peacefully released does nothing to support the claim that Iran is dangerous.

attacked the British embassy in Tehran more recently.
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You mean the attack that British intel carried out?

having them with a nuclear weapon is bad news for everyone.
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It would actually be one of the best things that could happen for regional stability. Terrible solution yes but that's the way things are right now.

Atomic energy means independence. It means you have a deterrent against foreign aggression and it means you have a foot in the door towards realizing the energy needs of a fully developed country. Most importantly it means that you set an example in the region for other developing countries to follow, which threatens the regional hegemony of the NATO crowd. And remember that every country has the right to develop atomic energy for peaceful purposes.

And no, Ahmadinnerjacket never said anything about wiping Israel off the map. He said he looks forward to a time when Zionism is relegated to the pages of history, or something to that effect.
 
MSTeacher said:
You mean the attack that British intel carried out?
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Yeah...sure.

MSTeacher said:
Atomic energy means independence. It means you have a deterrent against foreign aggression and it means you have a foot in the door towards realizing the energy needs of a fully developed country. Most importantly it means that you set an example in the region for other developing countries to follow, which threatens the regional hegemony of the NATO crowd. And remember that every country has the right to develop atomic energy for peaceful purposes.
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So you are pro-proliferation of nuclear weapons... Good idea.
MSTeacher said:
And no, Ahmadinnerjacket never said anything about wiping Israel off the map. He said he looks forward to a time when Zionism is relegated to the pages of history, or something to that effect.
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Yeah mis translated but the sentiment is there.

They hold an international holocaust deniers conference too. He also said "there are no gays in Iran".
 
pixelo said:
So you are pro-proliferation of nuclear weapons... Good idea.
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I didn't say that, and no, I am not pro proliferation. The best solution is always diplomacy that minimizes concessions. Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Internetandyahoo and others have made it clear that they aren't interested in diplomacy. So what other choices are left?

I'm not going to deny that the proclaimed pursuit of atomic energy for peaceful purposes can be used as a cover for developing atomic weapons. But the fact is the UN charter, love it or hate it, allows for the development of peaceful atomic energy and forbids foreign interests from involving themselves in the internal affairs of sovereign states.

He also said "there are no gays in Iran".
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Now that is just about as dangerous as they come.

Must be why there are no Iranian members here on this gay webmaster forum.
 
I am pro proliferation actually. The one thing that stopped the war between two violently opposing states (pakistan and india) was the acquisition of nuclear weapons by both sides. A nation can afford anything but a full on nuclear war and every dictator, illiterate army general and crooked politician on the face of this earth understands that.

Nukes = the end of war.
 
pewep said:
I am pro proliferation actually. The one thing that stopped the war between two violently opposing states (pakistan and india) was the acquisition of nuclear weapons by both sides. A nation can afford anything but a full on nuclear war and every dictator, illiterate army general and crooked politician on the face of this earth understands that.

Nukes = the end of war.
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Except when a non-nation group gets ahold of a nuke that's guarded by nothing more than a chain link fence...
 
And how exactly would a non-nation group get control of and manage to use a highly sophisticated weapon that requires an enormous amount of money to maintain let alone conceal? We already talked about how the US knows where all the nukes are at any given time too, how would the aforementioned group be able to keep that a secret? Contrary to popular belief, a nuke isn't just a push button bomb.
 
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