London machete attack!

9- Racial slurs are not okay when you are specifically doing it to harass someone.

Out of the rules <shrug>

What racial slurs did Rusvik use?

I'm not denying his posts in this thread were racially tinged, but no more than a lot of shit on here that gets posted on a daily basis. If he didn't post any racial slurs (maybe I missed them), then you are banning him for something personal, not a rule violation right?

For the record, I don't even know the guy but I just hate to see censorship even if it's censoring an opinion I don't necessarily agree with.
 


In this thread, so far the most racist post has been posted by Dresden. So, Dresden can post any racist shit without a ban whereas others can't?

If you don't ban Dresden for being racist (of course I understand the reason) in the same thread then, what is the point of banning rusvik who posted a less racist?

I'm not against Dresden or anyone personally but pointing out that all should be treated the same.
 
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Are you serious? I hope your trolling because if not, its this kind of backwards ass dumb fuck thinking that is what is wrong with the world that people live in today.

Oh, i am suppose to pay taxes so that minorities can go to college for free because of something a person of my same color did a couple hundred years ago?

Oh, i am suppose to let myself get beheaded because of something someone did to non christians 400-900 years ago?

Oh, i should let someone get attacked and murdered because some 80 year old priest molested a little boy that I have nothing to do with?

Oh, I guess everyone that has ever gone to Penn State also needs to get tied up, put on a plane, and blown up because of their choice of college too?

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There is nothing wrong with what this man did. Allah has willed his servants to do his calling, and allah has called his servants to kill those who do not believe.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".


Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."




Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"



Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah"



Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."



Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place."





Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who reject Allah follow vanities, while those who believe follow the truth from their lord. Thus does Allah set forth form men their lessons by similitude. Therefore when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"




Bukhari (52:177) - Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."




Bukhari (52:65) - The Prophet said, 'He who fights that Allah's Word, Islam, should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause.



Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Tabari 9:69 "Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us"

Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 327: - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”


 
What racial slurs did Rusvik use?

I'm not denying his posts in this thread were racially tinged, but no more than a lot of shit on here that gets posted on a daily basis. If he didn't post any racial slurs (maybe I missed them), then you are banning him for something personal, not a rule violation right?

For the record, I don't even know the guy but I just hate to see censorship even if it's censoring an opinion I don't necessarily agree with.

I don't have any personal beef with Rusvik. I do happen to be against racism tho.

Meh.. get some mod to lift the ban, if they find I overstepped.

Same goes for Dresden I actively permabanned him twice only to be recalled later - go figure.

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And for those quotes... here is the bible

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

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And for those quotes... here is the bible

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

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Find me something in the new testament. The book that supersedes the old testament.
 
And for those quotes... here is the bible

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

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No one follows that anymore and the worst is Westboro. They don't kill anyone. I am Atheist before you accuse me of being religious.
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And for those quotes... here is the bible

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

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In the present world Christians behave far better than Muslims. I'm not a christian btw.

Most of the christian countries will not treat me bad for not being a christian but most of the Muslim countries will harass me if I live there for not being a Muslim. Many of the Muslims who live in the west might be better but if you live in any Muslim country you will understand the difference.

As religions, all Abrahamic religions are same for me but I see a big difference in the behavior of Muslims.
 
And for those quotes... here is the bible

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

Cursed be he who does the Lords work remissly, cursed he who holds back his sword from blood. (Jeremiah 48:10 NAB)

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This is all OLD TESTAMENT. These were rules written for a specific set of people at a specific point in time. These old testament books are bound by time and historic constraints. Which means that they are NOT relevant today, they no longer apply.

Now, let's contrast this with the Quran. The Quran is NOT bound by any type of constraints. In fact, it starts out more peaceful, but as you move along it gets more and more violent. It's pretty much the exact opposite of the Bible in this regard.

The fact is, with the Quran and followers of Islam, in TODAY'S WORLD, it's "convert or die". Convert or die, that's it.

You won't find this in Christianity today, absolutely not.

That's the HUGE difference people want to gloss over, OPEN YOUR EYES FOLKS! Islam is NOT a religion of PEACE, it's EXTREMELY VIOLENT. The end goal is Sharia Law for everyone. And those that refuse, die!
 
In the present world Christians behave far better than Muslims. I'm not a christian btw.

Most of the christian countries will not treat me bad for not being a christian but most of the Muslim countries will harass me if I live there for not being a Muslim. Many of the Muslims who live in the west might be better but if you live in any Muslim country you will understand the difference.

As religions, all Abrahamic religions are same for me but I see a big difference in the behavior of Muslims.

EXACTLY. The difference is that followers of other religions do not want to decapitate you if you do not convert.

For the true followers of Islam, it's convert or die. Those are your options.

Political correctness gone way overboard keeps most people from either saying this, or keeps them blinded from reality.
 
Buddhist monks killing Muslims in Burma
I'm also disapponted, dude. Why do you repeat this BBC bullshit? Do you have a slightest idea what is going on in Burma? Can you imagine for which depths of desperation they should drag Buddhist monks that they had to defend themselves with guns???
 
The killer was born in Britain, his family were Nigerians and evangelical Christians. He was brought up Christian, but suddenly "got into" Islam at age 15 in 2003.

If you want to blame anyone, then Tony Bloody Blair and his Iraq war is the cause - 2003 is the clue here. It excited many idiots, at a point when they were impressionable adolescents.

The murderer's parents are still staunch Christians and apparently they even moved the family to Lincolnshire to get him away from fanatics. I can't imagine what they are going through.
 
I don't have any personal beef with Rusvik. I do happen to be against racism tho.

Meh.. get some mod to lift the ban, if they find I overstepped.

Same goes for Dresden I actively permabanned him twice only to be recalled later - go figure.

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IMHO, you banned rusvik because your personal sentiments were against his posts. If you think you overacted why don't you fix it? In Dresdens case it was different, you did not overact but he kept coming back because of his connections. Similarly in some part of the world a killer will come back from the jail if he has ministers as his friends.

Being a German you have a highest standards against racism (It is a good thing. I like you) But, here in wickedfire we always go politically incorrect and such overacting intimidates people from honestly telling what they think. We don't let the niceness subvert facts. With this standard, you should have banned 50% of the WF people already.
 
The killer was born in Britain, his family were Nigerians and evangelical Christians. He was brought up Christian, but suddenly "got into" Islam at age 15 in 2003.

If you want to blame anyone, then Tony Bloody Blair and his Iraq war is the cause - 2003 is the clue here. It excited many idiots, at a point when they were impressionable adolescents.

The murderer's parents are still staunch Christians and apparently they even moved the family to Lincolnshire to get him away from fanatics. I can't imagine what they are going through.
The Iraq war had nothing to do with it. Islam is the root cause of all of this.
This all happened in a week.
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The Quran in Sura (Chapter) 2:223 says:

Your women are your fields, so go into your fields whichever way you like . . . . (MAS Abdel Haleem, The Qur’an, Oxford UP, 2004)

9. Husbands are a degree above their wives.

The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:

. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . . (Sayyid Abul A’La Maududi, The Meaning of the Qur’an, vol. 1, p. 165)

8. A male gets a double share of the inheritance over that of a female.

The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:

The share of the male shall be twice that of a female . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 311)

7. A woman’s testimony counts half of a man’s testimony.

The Quran in Sura 2:282 says:

And let two men from among you bear witness to all such documents [contracts of loans without interest]. But if two men be not available, there should be one man and two women to bear witness so that if one of the women forgets (anything), the other may remind her. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 205).

6. A wife may remarry her ex—husband if and only if she marries another man and then this second man divorces her.

The Quran in Sura 2:230 says:

And if the husband divorces his wife (for the third time), she shall not remain his lawful wife after this (absolute) divorce, unless she marries another husband and the second husband divorces her. [In that case] there is no harm if they [the first couple] remarry . . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 165)

5. Slave—girls are sexual property for their male owners.

The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:

And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war] . . . (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 319).

4. A man may be polygamous with up to four wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:3 says:

And if you be apprehensive that you will not be able to do justice to the orphans, you may marry two or three or four women whom you choose. But if you apprehend that you might not be able to do justice to them, then marry only one wife, or marry those who have fallen in your possession. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 305)

3. A husband may simply get rid of one of his undesirable wives.

The Quran in Sura 4:129 says:

It is not within your power to be perfectly equitable in your treatment with all your wives, even if you wish to be so; therefore, [in order to satisfy the dictates of Divine Law] do not lean towards one wife so as to leave the other in a state of suspense. (Maududi, vol. 1, p. 381)

2. Husbands may hit their wives even if the husbands merely fear highhandedness in their wives (quite apart from whether they actually are highhanded).

The Quran in Sura 4:34 says:

4:34 . . . If you fear highhandedness from your wives, remind them [of the teaching of God], then ignore them when you go to bed, then hit them. If they obey you, you have no right to act against them. God is most high and great. (Haleem, emphasis added)

1. Mature men are allowed to marry prepubescent girls.

The Quran in Sura 65:1, 4 says:

65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.
 
Why do you repeat this BBC bullshit? Do you have a slightest idea what is going on in Burma?

Yeah... my mother is Burmese and i have family still in Burma... so i'd say yes!!

Can you imagine for which depths of desperation they should drag Buddhist monks that they had to defend themselves with guns???

Yeah... but i've got better things to do with my time than to school you again! Come back when your brain has evolved beyond the single celled parasitic organ that it currently is and maybe... just maybe... i'll entertain you with a conversation!

UNTIL THEN... CARRY ON!!
 
65:1 O Prophet, when you [and the believers] divorce women, divorce them for their prescribed waiting—period and count the waiting—period accurately . . . 4 And if you are in doubt about those of your women who have despaired of menstruation, (you should know that) their waiting period is three months, and the same applies to those who have not menstruated as yet. As for pregnant women, their period ends when they have delivered their burden.

But Conjamuk, don't you know that the bible has way more horrific laws than the Quran? Christians are as violent as muslims, that's why we see christians beheading people and blowing shit up everywhere. Just look at those violent hardcore christians in Pennsylvania.

Also don't forget that all christians are pedophiles and fucked up the middle east with their crusades thousand years ago.

Just give me a few minutes to find some nice looking graphs based on biased surveys made by the mainstream media that will proof my points.
 
The Iraq war had nothing to do with it. Islam is the root cause of all of this.

Of course the Iraq war is the cause!!! He was brought up Christian - if teh Iraq war hadn't happened and wasn't on television all the time in 2003, do you seriously think a teenager from Romford would have even known Islam existed? Nah, he'd have been trying to get a girlfriend.

In order to make conversions Islam a) has to be brought to massive public attention and b) in a way that makes the impressionable feel sympathetic to them. A lot of people felt the Iraq war was wrong at the time - a million marched in London over it and were horrified about the deaths there. In 2003 there were a lot of people who thought (correctly) that the Iraqis were being made to pay for what some Saudis did in 9/11 simply because they were the same religion, even though there was no Iraqi involvement in 9/11. Sort of collective punishment.

If Blair hadn't gone to war then this killer wouldn't have been influenced to convert. This is all Tone's fault.