London machete attack!

[conjamuk]

Of course the Iraq war is the cause!!! He was brought up Christian - if teh Iraq war hadn't happened and wasn't on television all the time in 2003, do you seriously think a teenager from Romford would have even known Islam existed? Nah, he'd have been trying to get a girlfriend.

In order to make conversions Islam a) has to be brought to massive public attention and b) in a way that makes the impressionable feel sympathetic to them. A lot of people felt the Iraq war was wrong at the time - a million marched in London over it and were horrified about the deaths there. In 2003 there were a lot of people who thought (correctly) that the Iraqis were being made to pay for what some Saudis did in 9/11 simply because they were the same religion, even though there was no Iraqi involvement in 9/11. Sort of collective punishment.

If Blair hadn't gone to war then this killer wouldn't have been influenced to convert. This is all Tone's fault.

I was there for the protests. I despise bush and his oil war. But it was Islam that caused the Nigerian to hack that solider to death not the Iraq war. Remember the 14 year old who was shot in the head because she wanted an education. Thats how bad Islam is. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-birmingham-19966357

 

[teatree]

I was there for the protests. I despise bush and his oil war. But it was Islam that caused the Nigerian to hack that solider to death not the Iraq war. Remember the 14 year old who was shot in the head because she wanted an education. Thats how bad Islam is.

It was the Iraq war that caused him to convert to Islam in the first place!! If you are so convinced that only Islam causes killings then surely you should look at what caused him to covert in the first place, right?

And lest we forget - IRA were Catholic terrorists. They killed over 4,000 people in Mainland Britain, including Lord Mountbatten and several of Thatcher's cabinet ministers (all elected members of Parliament).

And the IRA's killings and terrorism were enthusiastically supported and financed by Boston Irishmen who imagined that they were supporting a cause against colonialism and oppression. Probably the same fantastical reasoning that was going on in this killer's head. And again with a tiny germ of truth at it's centre (catholic irish were discriminated against for jobs in N.I. and most would argue it's not a reason for a terror campaign but political reform instead).

And then go back 400 years to Guy Fawkes, trying to blow up Parliament when the King and all the members of Parliament were on the premises. His terrorism was a product of Catholic grievance too (and again with a tiny germ of truth in it).

Everything has a sequence - the key is not to trigger the sequence in the first place.

I expect in 400 years time our descendants will be horrified at another bunch of terrorists yet unnamed.

 

[BlokBlok]

The fact anyone has to defend a certain group of people from scrutiny just discredits that group more.

 

[conjamuk]

It was the Iraq war that caused him to convert to Islam in the first place!! If you are so convinced that only Islam causes killings then surely you should look at what caused him to covert in the first place, right?

And lest we forget - IRA were Catholic terrorists. They killed over 4,000 people in Mainland Britain, including Lord Mountbatten and several of Thatcher's cabinet ministers (all elected members of Parliament).

And the IRA's killings and terrorism were enthusiastically supported and financed by Boston Irishmen who imagined that they were supporting a cause against colonialism and oppression. Probably the same fantastical reasoning that was going on in this killer's head. And again with a tiny germ of truth at it's centre (catholic irish were discriminated against for jobs in N.I. and most would argue it's not a reason for a terror campaign but political reform instead).

And then go back 400 years to Guy Fawkes, trying to blow up Parliament when the King and all the members of Parliament were on the premises. His terrorism was a product of Catholic grievance too (and again with a tiny germ of truth in it).

Everything has a sequence - the key is not to trigger the sequence in the first place.

I expect in 400 years time our descendants will be horrified at another bunch of terrorists yet unnamed.

I am Irish the IRA mainly wanted all of Ireland to be free. If anything made people more aware of islam it was the 9/11 attacks. The worst part of Islam is not even the extremest attacks. Its the human rights abuses, the killings of non believers, gays, jews ect. The brain washing. Acid attacks on woman because they showed a bit of skin. Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

 

[teatree]

I am Irish the IRA mainly wanted all of Ireland to be free. If anything made people more aware of islam it was the 9/11 attacks. The worst part of Islam is not even the extremest attacks. Its the human rights abuses, the killings of non believers, gays, jews ect. The brain washing. Acid attacks on woman because they showed a bit of skin. Under Islamic law, rape can only be proven if the rapist confesses or if there are four male witnesses. Women who allege rape, without the benefit of the act having been witnessed by four men who subsequently develop a conscience, are actually confessing to having sex. If they or the accused happens to be married, then it is considered to be adultery.

And the IRA didn't mete out punishment beatings to women complete with shaving their heads and tarring and feathering? Or run a quasi mafia operation where they wanted all Catholic businessmen to pay them protection money? And harass people who simply married a fellow Christian who happened to be Protestant? And literally killed and murdered innocent people who hadn't done a single thing to them?!

Please!

Of course because they are your tribe you believe it's all justified because they wanted "Ireland to be free"! And you are rationalising all the murder and evil while pointing it out in others!

You sound just like an Islamist - and that's my point.

All these terrorists think of fantastical reasoning why they are justified in their killing and misogeny. It's certainly not specific to Islam - it's present in all groups.

 

[conjamuk]

And the IRA didn't mete out punishment beatings to women complete with shaving their heads and tarring and feathering? Or run a quasi mafia operation where they wanted all Catholic businessmen to pay them protection money? And harass people who simply married a fellow Christian who happened to be Protestant? And literally killed and murdered innocent people who hadn't done a single thing to them?!

Please!

Of course because they are your tribe you believe it's all justified because they wanted "Ireland to be free"! And you are rationalising all the murder and evil while pointing it out in others!

You sound just like an Islamist - and that's my point.

All these terrorists think of fantastical reasoning why they are justified in their killing and misogeny. It's certainly not specific to Islam - it's present in all groups.

You said the IRA fought for religious reasons thats untrue.
What other group forces millions of woman to be treated like subhumans. Beheads children, A 13 year old girl was stoned in syria as her father complained to police that she was raped by three men. What group does that? Innocent people are stoned or mutilated for being atheist.
Remember the innocence of muslims video? What other group goes batshit insane over a video and kills their own people as a retaliation?
Why do you defend Islam? How can you tolerate the intolerant?

 

[faceblogger]

And the IRA didn't mete out punishment beatings to women complete with shaving their heads and tarring and feathering? Or run a quasi mafia operation where they wanted all Catholic businessmen to pay them protection money? And harass people who simply married a fellow Christian who happened to be Protestant? And literally killed and murdered innocent people who hadn't done a single thing to them?!

Please!

Of course because they are your tribe you believe it's all justified because they wanted "Ireland to be free"! And you are rationalising all the murder and evil while pointing it out in others!

You sound just like an Islamist - and that's my point.

All these terrorists think of fantastical reasoning why they are justified in their killing and misogeny. It's certainly not specific to Islam - it's present in all groups.

You're an idiot that brings wrong logic and examples. Don't get butt-hurt just because some people are pointing out the extremism of your religion. Your mention about IRA does not make any sense here.

I see why logic does not work with you.

 

[teatree]

You said the IRA fought for religious reasons thats untrue.

Of course they were fighting for religious reasons! they were anti-protestant.

The IRA and Al Queda are two cheeks of the same arse. Filthy murdering scum the both of them. But it's telling that you can't see it...

 

[turbolapp]

Find me something in the new testament. The book that supersedes the old testament.

I hate it when Christians say this. It's still the same asshole running things isn't it? This just shows the god to now be a schizophrenic asshole.


**Disclaimer: I understand that I should be using the phrase MPD instead of schizophrenic but it just doesn't have that same ring

 

[teatree]

You're an idiot that brings wrong logic and examples. Don't get butt-hurt just because some people are pointing out the extremism of your religion. Your mention about IRA does not make any sense here.

I see why logic does not work with you.

I'm Church of England - not sure what that has to do with either Al Queda or the IRA - as far as I'm concerned they are both filthy murdering scum who like to kill and are misogenistic.

Why are you so upset that I'm equating the two? Because from where I am sitting they are the same: kill people, check; religious nutters, check; hate women, check; are involved in drug and mafia cartels, check; they like to murder Brits, check; they are our enemies, check. Two cheeks of teh same arse.

 

[conjamuk]

Of course they were fighting for religious reasons! they were anti-protestant.

The IRA and Al Queda are two cheeks of the same arse. Filthy murdering scum the both of them. But it's telling that you can't see it...

So if one third of your land was under foreign occupation you would not fight back? Give me a break. You are using the fact the IRA were catholic to support your flawed argument.
IRA fought for an end to British rule.

Muslims kill because the Koran commands it and promises them paradise. They would not have killed if Islam did not exist.

 

[Moxie]

Quran (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."]

From the verse before :

Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors.

it was Islam that caused the Nigerian to hack that solider to death

Fallacy of the single cause - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[conjamuk]

I'm Church of England - not sure what that has to do with either Al Queda or the IRA - as far as I'm concerned they are both filthy murdering scum who like to kill and are misogenistic.

Why are you so upset that I'm equating the two? Because from where I am sitting they are the same: kill people, check; religious nutters, check; hate women, check; are involved in drug and mafia cartels, check. Two cheeks of teh same arse.

Hate woman what the fuck are you smoking. The IRA did not hate woman. The real IRA is involved in drugs they are just a gang. The IRA disbanded long ago. Killing soliders who occupied your country and killed your countrymen is not murder. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

 

[teatree]

So if one third of your land was under foreign occupation you would not fight back? Give me a break. You are using the fact the IRA were catholic to support your flawed argument.
IRA fought for an end to British rule.

Muslims kill because the Koran commands it and promises them paradise. They would not have killed if Islam did not exist.

Oh please, you are arguing just like an Islamist. Making up arguments to justify murder!

Northern ireland is not under "foreign occupation" - the majority is protestant and the Catholic minority decided they would go on a murdering rampage because they felt that was the only way to impose minority beliefs on teh majority.

Of course they were misogenistic - they used to beat, tar and feather women who had relationships with protestants. And ran protection rackets where they forced Catholic businessmen to pay them protection money - small wonder that businesses failed to thrive there. No one wants to set up plants there because they are nervous of teh population.

Even today 90% of the N.I economy is based on subsidies from England. Why are we giving them so much money - you see we believe that they're not civilised to handle unemployment without going on a killing rampage. So we're stuffing their mouths with gold. It's politically incorrect to admit it but there you go.

And I like the way that you justify murdering elected cabinet ministers as "freedom" but when Islamists do the exact same thing, you feel it's unique. No love, they are acting just like you. Get that mote out of your eye - Islamists and IRA are two cheeks of teh same stinking arse.

 

[infoslob]

lol that would be awesome, a couple hundred million murikans all relocating back to Europe in one fell swoop. I'm sure you'd welcome us with open arms. :drinkup:

Why not? They did the last two times.

:usa:

 

[faceblogger]

I'm Church of England - not sure what that has to do with either Al Queda or the IRA - as far as I'm concerned they are both filthy murdering scum who like to kill and are misogenistic.

It is obvious from your post that you have some personal bias towards Al-Queda. Otherwise no one with the right mind will equate IRA and Al-Quda in this context. Whatever you say, trying to compare IRA with Al-Queda only shows your bias and flawed logic.

 

[conjamuk]

Oh please, you are arguing just like an Islamist. Making up arguments to justify murder!

Northern ireland is not under "foreign occupation" - the majority is protestant and the Catholic minority decided they would go on a murdering rampage because they felt that was the only way to impose minority beliefs on teh majority.

Of course they were misogenistic - they used to beat, tar and feather women who had relationships with protestants. And ran protection rackets where they forced Catholic businessmen to pay them protection money - small wonder that businesses failed to thrive there. No one wants to set up plants there because they are nervous of teh population.

Even today 90% of the N.I economy is based on subsidies from England. Why are we giving them so much money - you see we believe that they're not civilised to handle unemployment without going on a killing rampage. So we're stuffing their mouths with gold. It's politically incorrect to admit it but there you go.

And I like the way that you justify murdering elected cabinet ministers as "freedom" but when Islamists do the exact same thing, you feel it's unique. No love, they are acting just like you. Get that mote out of your eye - Islamists and IRA are two cheeks of teh same stinking arse.

Northern ireland is not under "foreign occupation" - the majority is protestant and the Catholic minority decided they would go on a murdering rampage because they felt that was the only way to impose minority beliefs on teh majority.
Yes it is under enemy rule. Its our land stolen by the English. Most people don't want you here.
The IRA was not misogynistic.
I said its ok to kill soliders who are on your land and have killed your own people. Bloody sunday alone would make me join the IRA.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx3iB68EKUo"]The Wolfe Tones- Go On Home British soldiers - YouTube[/ame]

 

[dchuk]

:stop::stop:

This is all OLD TESTAMENT. These were rules written for a specific set of people at a specific point in time. These old testament books are bound by time and historic constraints. Which means that they are NOT relevant today, they no longer apply.

Now, let's contrast this with the Quran. The Quran is NOT bound by any type of constraints. In fact, it starts out more peaceful, but as you move along it gets more and more violent. It's pretty much the exact opposite of the Bible in this regard.

The fact is, with the Quran and followers of Islam, in TODAY'S WORLD, it's "convert or die". Convert or die, that's it.

You won't find this in Christianity today, absolutely not.

That's the HUGE difference people want to gloss over, OPEN YOUR EYES FOLKS! Islam is NOT a religion of PEACE, it's EXTREMELY VIOLENT. The end goal is Sharia Law for everyone. And those that refuse, die!

Three things:

1) The "New" Testament is roughly 1800-2000 years old, yet you're pitching it like the revised edition was pushed out by Random House in 2009 or some shit. Arguing that one of the oldest still-circulated books is more relevant today than a book that's a few thousand years older is just stupid, unfounded logic.

2) "The fact is, with the Quran and followers of Islam, in TODAY'S WORLD, it's "convert or die". Convert or die, that's it.

You won't find this in Christianity today, absolutely not. "

Exhibit A: "Convert or spend eternity in hell" - Majority of Christians

3) Not all Muslims follow, believe in, or even acknowledge Sharia Law. That's like saying that all Christians acknowledge Joseph Smith as a holy man...only a subset of Muslims (albeit arguably sizable, but with over a billion followers, every subset is going to be pretty big) adhere to that shit.

 

[teatree]

It is obvious from your post that you have some personal bias towards Al-Queda. Otherwise no one with the right mind will equate IRA and Al-Quda in this context. Whatever you say, trying to compare IRA with Al-Queda only shows your bias and flawed logic.

Wow, just Wow!

So - I'm upset that the IRA murdered over 4000 Brits, including the cousin of the Queen and several elected cabinet ministers. And I see the rise of Al Queda (who've so far murdered 55 Brits on 7/7 plus these recent murders) as another manifestation of the same problem - terrorism. And in your warped brain this means I have a connection with Al Queda? Seriously?

You really believe that terrorists murdering cabinet minsters plus civilians is nothing at all but terrorists doing the same thing, except in this century is huge? And that saying "terrorists are terrorists" is "flawed logic"?

Let me turn it around - why do you think the murder of Thatcher's cabinet ministers is OK? Are you an IRA sympathiser who believes it's good and proper to kill elected members of Parliament because of some fantastical "freedom to murder" that you support? And why the denial that they were religious terrorists? They didn't have any other types of religion in their outfit - no protestants, no hindus, definitely no jews.

Why are you so desperate to believe that the IRA terrorists were not terrorists? Because you and your family were financing them? In other words, you and your family were acting in the exact same way that the supporters of the Islamists - with money and bizarre rationalisation that they are murdering in a good cause?

 

[dchuk]

Am I allowed to kindly ask, where exactly in this thread rusvik got racist?

With all due respect

Rope and a lamppost is all that is needed now.

Arabs/Africans simply are not smart enough to be civilized.

Calling for public lynchings and making blanket intelligence assessments of entire regions of the world and races might not necessarily be using a bunch of slurs but they are most definitely toeing the line of racism.

I'm not necessarily saying he broke the racism rule here, but I am saying he's an ignorant fuck.