Frank Kern's Magic Model

[erifdekciw]

I'd say someone buying a $100 bottle(s) of berries is much different than draining someones 401k for some shitty 'master mind' group.

Price doesn't make a difference...If people could get away with selling bottles of powder for 10k they would do it. Only difference here is you fuck over 10,000 people to make the same money frank can make off of 100 people.

I'm not a fan of frank and what he does, but what ever frank is selling is still a lot more useful than shit in a bottle. Just because you aren't taking as much money as frank per person doesn't make it any less shitty. It just means you have to fuck more people over. Now which is worse?

There's a lot of hate for big guru's around here and a lot of it is warranted, but 99% of the people here would trade businesses with frank kern in a heart beat. He did something most people here can't do. Sell their own products and build a business around it. So most anti-guru affiliates become the equivalent of door to door salesmen online. Selling shitty products like acai and then they think they are better than the guru's, because they think they are above selling info products to the noob market. When in reality what they are doing is nothing more than peddling snake oil.

Don't know how anyone who's ever sold shitty re-bills can hate on someone like frank kern. Must be envy because he's a better hustler than you ever could be.

 

[wezcountry]

Price doesn't make a difference...If people could get away with selling bottles of powder for 10k they would do it. Only difference here is you fuck over 10,000 people to make the same money frank can make off of 100 people.

I'm not a fan of frank and what he does, but what ever frank is selling is still a lot more useful than shit in a bottle. Just because you aren't taking as much money as frank per person doesn't make it any less shitty. It just means you have to fuck more people over. Now which is worse?

There's a lot of hate for big guru's around here and a lot of it is warranted, but 99% of the people here would trade businesses with frank kern in a heart beat. He did something most people here can't do. Sell their own products and build a business around it. So most anti-guru affiliates become the equivalent of door to door salesmen online. Selling shitty products like acai and then they think they are better than the guru's, because they think they are above selling info products to the noob market. When in reality what they are doing is nothing more than peddling snake oil.

Don't know how anyone who's ever sold shitty re-bills can hate on someone like frank kern. Must be envy because he's a better hustler than you ever could be.

That's a pretty cynical point of view.

99% of the people here would trade businesses with frank kern in a heart beat.

Absolutely not. That's a bit like saying you would consider becoming a meth amphetamine producer just because you enjoy Breaking Bad.

I'm not an affiliate for anything but there IS a big difference between selling some crap for $27 or whatever, and draining people's savings and maxing their credit cards on the back of a pack of total lies via hard-sell boiler rooms.

The bizarre thing about old Franky is that his breakthrough product (afaik) was Mass Control which was all about manipulating potential buyers' psychological triggers - and he sold it by ... manipulating potential buyers' psychological triggers ... and the vast majority of people who bought it didn't notice, and came back for more.

It's clever, but is it admirable? Fuck off.

 

[erifdekciw]

That's a pretty cynical point of view.

99% of the people here would trade businesses with frank kern in a heart beat.

Absolutely not. That's a bit like saying you would consider becoming a meth amphetamine producer just because you enjoy Breaking Bad.

I'm not an affiliate for anything but there IS a big difference between selling some crap for $27 or whatever, and draining people's savings and maxing their credit cards on the back of a pack of total lies via hard-sell boiler rooms.

The bizarre thing about old Franky is that his breakthrough product (afaik) was Mass Control which was all about manipulating potential buyers' psychological triggers - and he sold it by ... manipulating potential buyers' psychological triggers ... and the vast majority of people who bought it didn't notice, and came back for more.

It's clever, but is it admirable? Fuck off.

I'm not an affiliate

I'll stop you there. You don't understand what most affiliates do just to get a sale. "manipulating potential buyers' psychological triggers" Is probably more ethical than what most affiliates do. Especially people who sell the fake weight loss shit.

 

[dsiomtw]

Most of you people are confusing what Frank has done in the past in the IM world with what he's doing with his consulting biz. He's not fucking his clients over - he helps them to make a shitload of money, and they are happy to pay his fees.

As far as selling a course on how to start a high end consulting business, I'd venture to say that if that's what you wanted to do you could learn a thing or three from Frank (or anyone else who is actually doing it)

The bizarre thing about old Franky is that his breakthrough product (afaik) was Mass Control which was all about manipulating potential buyers' psychological triggers - and he sold it by ... manipulating potential buyers' psychological triggers ... and the vast majority of people who bought it didn't notice, and came back for more.

Why is it bizarre? He sells marketing courses. What the fuck do you think marketing is? He's the first to admit that he's into NLP and all that shit. I think you're wrong to lump "old Franky" with the other "gurus" who provide no value at all. Aside from his early days with instant internet empires or whatever the fuck he got busted by the FTC for, his courses like Mass Control, List Control, etc. have been pretty solid. If you say these products don't provide value you're fucking cluessless or just a hater, or both.

You can argue all day long about the price points, but he never targeted things like Mass Control to newbies telling them they're going to get rich overnight with it like the other bullshit gurus and their products...

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

"This is a pretty small community, Internet Marketing, a pretty weird subculture. Everybody knows each other, they all lean on each other’s strength to better their business, and we found that the common denominator amongst all these guys is they’re unemployable.”

Well fuck.

 

[ilushka]

I think rich people have no time to spend on consulting like this.

 

[guerilla]

The ironic thing is that some of the guys with pretty large profiles within this community have learned a lot from, and even have some respect for Frank Kern.

They just keep quiet when threads like this come up because it's cool to shit on info-gurus.

 

[guerilla]

I'd say someone buying a $100 bottle(s) of berries is much different than draining someones 401k for some shitty 'master mind' group.

This forum and AM in particular are the low end of classy when it comes to marketing. There are a lot of people flogging a lot of garbage to a lot of poor, dumb, desperate people.

It's done different ways, at different price points, but its just as fundamentally dishonest, deceitful and manipulative.

I only sold one product I wasn't proud of or wouldn't use myself, and that was prescription drugs as an affiliate. At first, I was libertarian about it, fuck the patent monopolies, +rep to asian manufacturers being competitive, and people can make their own choices.

Then I realized, it's not something I can even tell people I do, because I don't take prescription drugs myself. So I stopped.

Most guys won't do that though. They will eat paleo and workout, and then sell shitty diet products to dumb and desperate people and somehow rationalize it as not hurting anyone. And that's cool, I am not challenging that rationalization, but with my values, I wouldn't be able to make that rationalization stick.

 

[wezcountry]

Most of you people are confusing what Frank has done in the past in the IM world with what he's doing with his consulting biz. He's not fucking his clients over - he helps them to make a shitload of money, and they are happy to pay his fees.

As far as selling a course on how to start a high end consulting business, I'd venture to say that if that's what you wanted to do you could learn a thing or three from Frank (or anyone else who is actually doing it)



Why is it bizarre? He sells marketing courses. What the fuck do you think marketing is? He's the first to admit that he's into NLP and all that shit. I think you're wrong to lump "old Franky" with the other "gurus" who provide no value at all. Aside from his early days with instant internet empires or whatever the fuck he got busted by the FTC for, his courses like Mass Control, List Control, etc. have been pretty solid. If you say these products don't provide value you're fucking cluessless or just a hater, or both.

You can argue all day long about the price points, but he never targeted things like Mass Control to newbies telling them they're going to get rich overnight with it like the other bullshit gurus and their products...

The bizarre aspect isn't what franky-boy did, it's that the punters fell and fall for it every time.

 

[Michael_]

You guys get this uppity when Frank releases another 10k course, yet you don't go bat-shit-crazy on a daily basis over the scam factory that is the WSO forum? Just check out warriorplus, that thing has churned and burned over 8 figures worth of scam. Much more than Frank is doing.

Are WSO sales too good to you?

Hypocrisy level seems strong in this thread.

 

[JoseArmando]

Frank Kern is really really good at what he does: marketing his bizopps. He's understanding of his target market is insane once you listen to a couple of his vids. I've never paid for any course but from what I've seen so far his launches were the only thing that truly worked on me and would probably fall for his stuff were I oblivious to what he's doing.

I don't get where the hate for the guy is coming from, he's a marketer and he kicks ass at it. Isn't this a marketing forum? Oh wait it's a SEO forum actually

 

[erifdekciw]

The bizarre aspect isn't what franky-boy did, it's that the punters fell and fall for it every time.

Sounds like he's doing something right if his customers keep coming back? You'd think if he was a scammer selling shitty products, people would stop buying from him...

Almost sounds like he's running... a successful business. What's wrong with that?

 

[GimpSpack]

This forum and AM in particular are the low end of classy when it comes to marketing. There are a lot of people flogging a lot of garbage to a lot of poor, dumb, desperate people.

It's done different ways, at different price points, but its just as fundamentally dishonest, deceitful and manipulative.

I only sold one product I wasn't proud of or wouldn't use myself, and that was prescription drugs as an affiliate. At first, I was libertarian about it, fuck the patent monopolies, +rep to asian manufacturers being competitive, and people can make their own choices.

Then I realized, it's not something I can even tell people I do, because I don't take prescription drugs myself. So I stopped.

Most guys won't do that though. They will eat paleo and workout, and then sell shitty diet products to dumb and desperate people and somehow rationalize it as not hurting anyone. And that's cool, I am not challenging that rationalization, but with my values, I wouldn't be able to make that rationalization stick.

That's awesome.

I'm finding myself in a similar situation. Recent revelations have me questioning the legitimacy of a product I'm promoting, so I'm having to recalibrate my entire approach. The product itself is converting well, but I feel like my passion for marketing can only be sustained if I actually feel like I'm helping people to the best of my abilities.

Having a conscience/personal values isn't that profitable, but it can be rewarding from time to time.

 

[Kiopa_Matt]

This whole thread is fucken stupid.

"Respect the hustle"

... next thread over ...

"What a fucken douche, look, he's hustling people!"

 

[guerilla]

The bizarre aspect isn't what franky-boy did, it's that the punters fell and fall for it every time.

Enjoy your McNuggets.

 

[guerilla]

I feel like my passion for marketing can only be sustained if I actually feel like I'm helping people to the best of my abilities.

I think the only way to do this is to have your own product in a niche you care about. I have cared about other people's products, but then you run the risk of them not caring, or giving up, or making bad moves with the product.

 

[GimpSpack]

I think the only way to do this is to have your own product in a niche you care about. I have cared about other people's products, but then you run the risk of them not caring, or giving up, or making bad moves with the product.

No doubt. Those are very real risks, for sure.

I wouldn't trust myself with product creation at this point, though.

 

[wezcountry]

Enjoy your McNuggets.

I hate that shite. I've been maybe twice in the last couple of years (was obliged) and the food makes me queasy.

The town I live in has a population of around 120,000, including all the little hamlets within its boundaries. There were are two McD's and one of them has just closed-down about a month ago. Praise Jesus. (It's being replaced by a Chinese restaurant!).

 

[wezcountry]

Sounds like he's doing something right if his customers keep coming back? You'd think if he was a scammer selling shitty products, people would stop buying from him...

Almost sounds like he's running... a successful business. What's wrong with that?

He's changed niches a couple of times actually but in any case you can fool most of the people most of the time, especially desperate wannabes.

How do you define success?

 

[richcookies]

Humans for lack of a better word are generally lazy and want the easy way out. Scammers exist because we humans are wired to seek the less work road.

I would be lying if I said those scammers never got to me. The difference is you learn and move on. But unfortunately, some humans do not learn and they keep looking for the easy way out of doing what needs to be done right.

Personally, I do not blame the IM snake oil sales people, neither do I blame the drug dealer for giving people what they want.

You talk about scams, just look at wall-street and I can point you to firms making tons of money by false promises. Nations are been ripped-off by western countries through sleek offerings and the list goes on and on...

Truth be told, money never created an angel personality, and I have met my share of truly rich people and most of them have there evil ways well hidden out of site.

It's just a game people, no one can take it to the grave. (not yet anyway)