Love the Obama Campaings!

[xmcp123]

@patJ, tweak50, xmcp123
I'm willing to bet none of you are even of age to buy a beer yet. My observation of the political tone of the youth today disturbs me deeply. Being one who grew up during the Reagan era, I for one have lived in the absolute best of times. I had everything I ever wanted, America basked in the glory of power and prosperity. Had any of you been born during my time, you would clearly see the danger in the liberal agenda.

However, who am I to say it truly is danger? It's just my opinion. I can only say what I have seen, what I now see, and what I personally predict the final outcome will be.

For the sake of yours and your children's future well being, I sure hope I am wrong about all of this.

Yeah, because your generations decisions have obviously set this country up in such a fucking fantastic position.
Oh loorrrddyy mista zero. We sure do got lotsa learnin to do about the monies from yall eldas.
Seriously, fuck off about age.
We may not have had a chance to take the test to see how we handle the country yet, but you guys have already flunked the test.

 

[LotsOfZeros]

^^^
proof you don't remember Reagan

Seriously, I welcome the test since I already know what the outcome will be.

 

[tweak50]

You're kidding us right?

I refuse to go into a convoluted class on the liberal agenda, you'll just have to understand what I am saying.

Of course I'm kidding. Thus the wink at the end.

 

[xmcp123]

^^^
proof you don't remember Reagan

I know about Reagan.
Get over it.
It was 20 years ago. The world is different. Things like the internet and the end of the cold war change things. The same things that may have worked back then(obviously) aren't working now.

 

[tweak50]

^^^
proof you don't remember Reagan

Seriously, I welcome the test since I already know what the outcome will be.

Yup, the outcome will be better then what the decisions of your generation has produced over the last 8 years. I find it funny how everyone forgets how fantastic this country was doing under the Clinton Administration. Lets refresh some memories:

6 million new jobs were created in the first two years of his Administration, an average of a quarter million a month.

In 1994, the economy had the lowest combination of unemployment and inflation in 25 years.

Cut taxes on 15 million low income families and raised taxes on the top 1.2 percent.

Reduced the deficit for the first time since Truman.



SOOOO... the "young dumb liberals" that voted him into office did a fuck a lot better than the "older experianced republicans" that voted in Bush...

 

[LotsOfZeros]

I know about Reagan.
Get over it.
It was 20 years ago. The world is different. Things like the internet and the end of the cold war change things. The same things that may have worked back then(obviously) aren't working now.

Don't make the common mistake of confusing Bush 1 & 2 with Reagan. The sheeple are doing a lot of that now. Apples and oranges.

 

[LazyHippy]

@patJ, tweak50, xmcp123
I'm willing to bet none of you are even of age to buy a beer yet.

I'm offended you didn't include me in that list. I know you have to be pretty old to buy beer in your country and I don't post many boobs and shit but I thought you might at least consider my constructive, logical, yet liberal and socially responsibly viewpoint to be the product of a young under-developed mind.

 

[turbolapp]

I'm offended you didn't include me in that list. I know you have to be pretty old to buy beer in your country and I don't post many boobs and shit but I thought you might at least consider my constructive, logical, yet liberal and socially responsibly viewpoint to be the product of a young under-developed mind.

LOL I was offended too! But I didn't know if I was more offended about not being on liberal list or that it was just a given that I was older than the drinking age limit. :-/

 

[LazyHippy]

LOL I was offended too! But I didn't know if I was more offended about not being on liberal list or that it was just a given that I was older than the drinking age limit. :-/

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[LotsOfZeros]

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BTW, has anyone seen SNL tonight? The debate was dead-on. Funny as hell.

 

[LazyHippy]

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BTW, has anyone seen SNL tonight? The debate was dead-on. Funny as hell.

If fuckin hope a certain very old dog learns some new tricks if he wins, or at least goes back to his old tricks before he was trying to win the votes of the far right. Or they might have him put down in favour of a slightly younger pitbull.

BTW, I'm 30. Young to many, but going by your sig probably a lot older than you (unless that's just a marketing tactic? Appear young and stupid to get em to click...? )

Anyway, you certainly can teach any fucking age dog new tricks, most old dogs adapt well... unless it's an old Christian dog that believes his tricks are the only tricks worth knowing and doesn't understand that jumping through a hoop or over a bar is still jumping, just the thing they are jumping for is slightly different.

 

[turbolapp]

BTW, has anyone seen SNL tonight? The debate was dead-on. Funny as hell.

On Thursday? Wha? TNL?

 

[erect]

I've been away from this thread too damn long. Took 10 to read now it'll take 20 to respond.

Both candidates basically take no care of the middle class (as I see it). One over taxes the rich, the other the poor. Where's a real candidate that taxes both the rich and the poor and gives the breaks to the citizens who make this country great .. the middle class. I say double digit breaks if over $50k but under $300k. Now that's logic you won't see on either side.

No, I say Stop Putting Word in my Mouth. I'm saying I don't give a fuck if I spend some extra cash to keep the economy that I RELY on alive.
How the fuck does me saying I don't mind paying the extra taxes that are a part of his plan imply I would like an extra trillion dollars of deficit?
That's a real mindfuck of a thought process.

I usually don't think in absolutes, I overstepped a boundary there. My point is that Obama will spend like it's always Christmas. I'm for small gov't, which is old school Republican, and there is nothing thrifty about the democrats way of doing things .. that's where the extra trillion came from. Not out of your mouth.

1. Oil prices are going to continue going up. The idea of heavily investing in renewable energy then reselling it to other industrial nations is a really. fucking. good. idea. It costs a substantial amount to create a solid infrastructure for that, so we could more or less hold a monopoly on it for quite awhile. Not many places will be able to round up the funding necessary to compete. As long as we're below the price of gas and have a solid method of distribution, we're solid.
   Additionally, it gives us the ability to put a financial squeeze on oil producing nations we may have conflicts with by lowering our own prices to undercut them. Oh yeah, and this entire thing creates jobs.

100% correct ... I can see energy being our saving grace in this situation. It's a really. fucking. good. idea. for sure ... but not one that Obama can claim is all his

I've rarely met a 3rd party voter who wasn't at least pretty well informed on the issues, and it fucking sucks that some of the few people in this country that know their head from their ass politically are wasting a vote on a symbol rather than actually trying to help us figure out which of the realistic candidates is going to at least have a decent chance of success.

Very short sighted of you Shady. US campaign financing is done on a percentage of the total vote. So if we get more people voting for a 3rd party together, there is hope for the future. 4 years is not too far away and I'm wanting to start the process now so hopefully my daughter will never have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils

The dominating two party system is a fucking joke ... us "informed" people have to do this for the future. This year is a great electionto try this as both candidates, in fact, suck ass ... literally. All it takes is 5% of the total vote and a 3rd party gets some serious financing. I bet with 15% we can get them included in debates.

I don't recall ever reading about George Washington promoting unprovoked attacks on innocent people.

The Iroquois Indians affectionately nicknamed Washington "Caunotaucarius," which translates to either "Town Destroyer" or "Devourer of Villages." [ source ... if cracked can be considered a valid source that is ]

So what? McCain hangs out with Palin every day which is 10 times worse.

You're an idiot. Palin has been shell shocked by being thrust into the nationwide media who is very critical of her and has stuck her foot in her mouth more than a few times because of it. That doesn't mean that it's 10 times worst than being associated with someone with a dark history. Again, you're an idiot

My observation of the political tone of the youth today disturbs me deeply. ... America basked in the glory of power and prosperity. ... clearly see the danger in the liberal agenda. ... For the sake of yours and your children's future well being, I sure hope I am wrong about all of this.

I totally agree, and I'm only 33 so it's not like I'm an old fart. It's like the past few years trumps anything good the republicans have done in the past century. Being conservative is not considered a good quality anymore and that's EXACTLY what we need to safely get through this recession.

It's my opinion that the voting age should be raised 10 years. Everyone should pay taxes for a decade and start a family before getting vote on a direction for this country.

Ok, as much as I respect your opinion, assuming that just because someone is liberal they must be too young to know any better is just fucking retarded.

In fact, I don't see how you can say how dangerous the "liberal agenda" is and look back at the last 8 years and tell me that 4 more isn't just as dangerous.

The young or ultra poor make up about 80% of the democratics party demographics. He's not that far off base, you guys just have Zeros thinking age on this thread.

8 years is short sighted, time to whip out your history book and realize Bush doesn't represent Republicans very well at all.

We may not have had a chance to take the test to see how we handle the country yet, but you guys have already flunked the test.

So not true, corrupt politicians and greedy fuckers from every generation have ruined our country. You can't blame an entire group of people for these issues.

It's like saying the senior citizens are to blame for social security issues. If they knew it was a bogus system and would cause a tremendous strain on their children & their children's children, they would have not been behind it.

Trust me when I tell you that in your generation you will find that many people leech off the system, this won't make your entire age group bad ... just a bunch of the greedy fucks in it.

I find it funny how everyone forgets how fantastic this country was doing under the Clinton Administration.

Clinton gets a lot of credit that deserves to go to a house and senate that was ruled by Republicans. Not to mention that Alan Greenspan was a better Fed chairman than anyone else EVER. Stop acting like Clinton was superman ... he'll be remembered as a joke.

Don't make the common mistake of confusing Bush 1 & 2 with Reagan. The sheeple are doing a lot of that now. Apples and oranges.

More like apples and spaceships. It should be illegal to use the words Bush & Reagan in the same sentence.

I'm offended you didn't include me in that list.

You shouldn't be, you're one of the more eloquent debaters we have on this board.

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Both throw errors because they don't end with a ;

Anyway, you certainly can teach any fucking age dog new tricks, most old dogs adapt well... unless it's an old Christian dog that believes his tricks are the only tricks worth knowing and doesn't understand that jumping through a hoop or over a bar is still jumping, just the thing they are jumping for is slightly different.

bwwwwwahahahha ... the sad part is 87% of our country falls under that category. EightyFuckingSevenPercent!!! I still get emails from my mom about Obama being the anti-christ ... geez.

 

[pat J]

However, who am I to say it truly is danger? It's just my opinion. I can only say what I have seen, what I now see, and what I personally predict the final outcome will be.

For the sake of yours and your children's future well being, I sure hope I am wrong about all of this.

The danger with voting for a republican candidate is that they are always religious nutjobs. Someone who puts their religious believes first is someone who can not think rationally. And that is the only argument i need to vote for the lesser evil.

You're an idiot. Palin has been shell shocked by being thrust into the nationwide media who is very critical of her and has stuck her foot in her mouth more than a few times because of it. That doesn't mean that it's 10 times worst than being associated with someone with a dark history. Again, you're an idiot

Haha, don't even try to defend her.

 

[LotsOfZeros]

On Thursday? Wha? TNL?

It was some special.

 

[xmcp123]

I usually don't think in absolutes, I overstepped a boundary there. My point is that Obama will spend like it's always Christmas. I'm for small gov't, which is old school Republican, and there is nothing thrifty about the democrats way of doing things .. that's where the extra trillion came from. Not out of your mouth.

Don't sweat it. It happens.
And I can agree in terms of we need to cut down, the only issues is where we cut it from

100% correct ... I can see energy being our saving grace in this situation. It's a really. fucking. good. idea. for sure ... but not one that Obama can claim is all his

I suspect he can't. But he's actually bringing it up and placing a lot of emphasis on alternative fuels. McCain gives the impression he's bringing it up for votes. Much more of a "yeahhhh about that. Someday I'll jump on it"

Very short sighted of you Shady. US campaign financing is done on a percentage of the total vote. So if we get more people voting for a 3rd party together, there is hope for the future. 4 years is not too far away and I'm wanting to start the process now so hopefully my daughter will never have to vote for the lesser of 2 evils

The dominating two party system is a fucking joke ... us "informed" people have to do this for the future. This year is a great electionto try this as both candidates, in fact, suck ass ... literally. All it takes is 5% of the total vote and a 3rd party gets some serious financing. I bet with 15% we can get them included in debates.

I know the importance in 3rd parties. Honestly, what I stated above is something I never would've said in the past, and I suspect I'll never say again.
But once again, for me it is clear they are not going to get 5% of the vote this time around. And this time, we need something to prevent this from going downhill. It's not going to matter in the future if they can get their financing if there's no financing to be had. Right now is about turning this shit around as soon and sustainably as possible. End of story.

The 3rd party thing is not happening this time, and we need you guys. No matter which side you vote on.
Beyond that a system that involves 3 parties would require a drastic restructuring of our current voting system to get rid of the "wasted" vote concept.

You're an idiot. Palin has been shell shocked by being thrust into the nationwide media who is very critical of her and has stuck her foot in her mouth more than a few times because of it. That doesn't mean that it's 10 times worst than being associated with someone with a dark history. Again, you're an idiot

Here's a question. Do you want someone who gets shell shocked that easily?
Our foreign policy is obviously right now largely about the middle east. A lot of cultures in the middle east don't respect women.
As much as I hate Hillary Clinton, I know she could've handled herself. Can you imagine Palin getting "shell shocked" (or for that matter, even how she is normally) and having to talk to the leader of Iran? Here's a hint. He'd probably consider talking to a woman about world issues in the first place degrading, and I have a feeling actually talking to her wouldn't do much to alleviate that.
She is simply not the example of a female leader we want to show to the world.

I totally agree, and I'm only 33 so it's not like I'm an old fart. It's like the past few years trumps anything good the republicans have done in the past century. Being conservative is not considered a good quality anymore and that's EXACTLY what we need to safely get through this recession.

Left unregulated, stupid shit happens at companies(I can't believe I just linked to newsmax).
An under regulated marketplace is what created this. A conservative "hands off" policy will just let these companies keep doing what they have been.

It's my opinion that the voting age should be raised 10 years. Everyone should pay taxes for a decade and start a family before getting vote on a direction for this country.

Man, we're just not going to let up about the age thing, are we? Fucking hell I'm not paying taxes for 10 years after I'm 18 before I get a say in the countries elections. Besides, that would just result in people not following elections for 10 years.

You can't just say an age group shouldn't be able to vote because they disagree with you. If you disagree, congratulations, you no longer believe in a democracy.It's called a dictatorship if only people that agree with you can vote.

8 years is short sighted, time to whip out your history book and realize Bush doesn't represent Republicans very well at all.

But he does represent McCain well. And frankly, most republicans don't represent the republican concepts well. It turned into the "christian" party for the past 8 years.

So not true, corrupt politicians and greedy fuckers from every generation have ruined our country.

Sing it with me folks: regulation! transparency! regulation! transparency!

It's like saying the senior citizens are to blame for social security issues. If they knew it was a bogus system and would cause a tremendous strain on their children & their children's children, they would have not been behind it.

They shoulda stopped fucking. (just kidding, can't really blame them for this. Really, how many of us would NOT have been fucking that much given the opportunity)[/quote]

Trust me when I tell you that in your generation you will find that many people leech off the system, this won't make your entire age group bad ... just a bunch of the greedy fucks in it.

So remind me again why we're not qualified to vote if we're so similar to your age group?

You shouldn't be, you're one of the more eloquent debaters we have on this board.

:tongue2: thanksssss

bwwwwwahahahha ... the sad part is 87% of our country falls under that category. EightyFuckingSevenPercent!!! I still get emails from my mom about Obama being the anti-christ ... geez.

I'm glad I get to end this response with a "I agree"

 

[turbolapp]

Alot of good points there SS. I liked the one about the republicans not being represented by republicans. The republicans today should just rename themselves the Christian party and that can be the third party.

Hey, I'm sure they would get more than the 5 % the way this country is so far up Jesus's ass.

 

[erect]

I know the importance in 3rd parties. Honestly, what I stated above is something I never would've said in the past, and I suspect I'll never say again.

But once again, for me it is clear they are not going to get 5% of the vote this time around

The 3rd party thing is not happening this time, and we need you guys. No matter which side you vote on.

Nader got almost 3% of the vote in 2000 and Perot got over 8% in 1996

With all the noise Ron Paul has made, and the fact that he's backing Chuck Baldwin, if there was ever a time to introduce a 3rd party this is the year. RP's backing alone is worth 5%

And this time, we need something to prevent this from going downhill. It's not going to matter in the future if they can get their financing if there's no financing to be had. Right now is about turning this shit around as soon and sustainably as possible. End of story.

Ugh, you think Obama is an economist???? What on earth leads you to believe that he can correct our financial situation? If anything his free spending will make it worse. Any confidence gained from consumers when he gets elected is just short lived ... like drinking a cup of coffee after being up for 48 hours. That's not enough.

Here's a question. Do you want someone who gets shell shocked that easily?

No more than I want a Freshman senator that just goes with the party flow to be President. Put Biden at President and Obama at VP and you can make an arguement here.

Our foreign policy is obviously right now largely about the middle east. A lot of cultures in the middle east don't respect women.

As much as I hate Hillary Clinton, I know she could've handled herself. Can you imagine Palin getting "shell shocked" (or for that matter, even how she is normally) and having to talk to the leader of Iran? Here's a hint. He'd probably consider talking to a woman about world issues in the first place degrading, and I have a feeling actually talking to her wouldn't do much to alleviate that.
She is simply not the example of a female leader we want to show to the world.

She's fine normally as she showed on the VP debate (watch it, she did very well). Politicians are puppets anyways, their cabinet/party does most of the heavy lifting and they just read scripts (which Obama is good at).

I think the last thing in our mind when deciding on a VP is how middle-easterners feel about women. That's the lamest reason against Palin I've heard yet.

Furthermore, we should go back to the constitution and say "fuck the rest of the world, we've got our own problems" No war, no negotiations, no moderation between Palestine/Israel .... nothing. Let businesses trade and spread good will. Be friends but not nation builders. It's fucking sad that Afghanistan, Iran, etc are even a topic in our debates.

Left unregulated, stupid shit happens at companies(I can't believe I just linked to newsmax).
An under regulated marketplace is what created this. A conservative "hands off" policy will just let these companies keep doing what they have been.

Regulation is bad with very, very few exceptions. This is an arguement for big government and I'm totally against that.

Man, we're just not going to let up about the age thing, are we? Fucking hell I'm not paying taxes for 10 years after I'm 18 before I get a say in the countries elections. Besides, that would just result in people not following elections for 10 years.

You already do it for 2 of those years (> 16) so what's the big difference? I bet if we lowered the drinking age to 18 while raising the voting age to 28 all of your campus buddies would get behind passing the bill, like 95% of them ..... THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I DON'T WANT THE YOUTH DECIDING WHO THE NEXT PRESIDENT IS.

You can't just say an age group shouldn't be able to vote because they disagree with you. If you disagree, congratulations, you no longer believe in a democracy.It's called a dictatorship if only people that agree with you can vote.

That's not what I said at all. The vast majority are simply not informed and/or would vote selfishly. It's not that they don't agree with me, it's because it's bad for the country as a whole.

Ex: Say Obama campaigns on free gov't funded college for all high school graduates. Democrats like to buy votes with handouts so this is a good example. College kids wouldn't care about the damage this would do to the economy, they want their free tuition.

^^ While I like that scenario better than welfare, it's still a handout and a great example of buying votes. Just like the 2nd round of stimulus checks the dems are pushing. It's also why democrats want to lower taxes for poor people to the point that we're actually paying them to work. Fucking bullshit.

Republicans want lower taxes on the rich and everyone else to pay their fair share. These are poeple who provide jobs & power our economy with all their contributions to the GDP. True, some are corrupt, but if you can answer honestly, who deserves the tax breaks more?

a> someone looking for a handout
b> someone who creates wealth for our country

Alot of good points there SS. I liked the one about the republicans not being represented by republicans. The republicans today should just rename themselves the Christian party and that can be the third party.

Hey, I'm sure they would get more than the 5 % the way this country is so far up Jesus's ass.

87% of the country is christian. The only difference between democratic and republican religious nutjobs is the color of their skin.

I totally agree that the republicans in power should tuck their tail and make another party for their war-mongering agenda. It's not what a true conservative believes.

 

[xmcp123]

Nader got almost 3% of the vote in 2000 and Perot got over 8% in 1996

With all the noise Ron Paul has made, and the fact that he's backing Chuck Baldwin, if there was ever a time to introduce a 3rd party this is the year. RP's backing alone is worth 5%

We'll see I suppose. No sense in arguing this one till there's some data.

Ugh, you think Obama is an economist???? What on earth leads you to believe that he can correct our financial situation? If anything his free spending will make it worse. Any confidence gained from consumers when he gets elected is just short lived ... like drinking a cup of coffee after being up for 48 hours. That's not enough.

I didn't say I thought he was an economist. But I do think as far as our realistic choices for president go, he's the best bet economically. More than that I trust him to actually consult others who are more knowledgeable than him about the economy. Politicians aren't economists(yes, even McCain) but we still have to elect them based in part on their economic philosophies...

No more than I want a Freshman senator that just goes with the party flow to be President. Put Biden at President and Obama at VP and you can make an arguement here.

I wouldn't fight that ticket.

She's fine normally as she showed on the VP debate (watch it, she did very well). Politicians are puppets anyways, their cabinet/party does most of the heavy lifting and they just read scripts (which Obama is good at).

I did watch it. She did "well" by not getting destroyed. I won't concede that she did well until she actually answers a few of the questions she's asked. I'm pretty forgiving(even of repubs) for question dodging; some are loaded and there's no gettin around that. But she was skipping questions that weren't loaded.
The other thing you'll notice is that 99% of the appeal she had was targeted at those who would already support her. So did she serve to energize her own base a bit? Yeah. But I doubt she picked up any new votes.

I think the last thing in our mind when deciding on a VP is how middle-easterners feel about women. That's the lamest reason against Palin I've heard yet.

Read into it more. Certain women have enough of a powerful personality or a fund of information large enough to command respect, even where they're disliked.
I don't have the same cultural issues the middle east has with women, and I still can't take her seriously. She's not very experienced, doesn't strike me as especially bright, and is evangelical as fuck.

Do you honestly believe it's a good idea to have a VP(who has a good chance of being president) who is completely unable to function in our region of greatest conflict?

Furthermore, we should go back to the constitution and say "fuck the rest of the world, we've got our own problems" No war, no negotiations, no moderation between Palestine/Israel .... nothing. Let businesses trade and spread good will. Be friends but not nation builders. It's fucking sad that Afghanistan, Iran, etc are even a topic in our debates.

You break it you buy it.

Regulation is bad with very, very few exceptions. This is an arguement for big government and I'm totally against that.

There doesn't have to be a big government for it. There has to be someone watching to make sure they're not falsely representing their financial stability.

You already do it for 2 of those years (> 16) so what's the big difference? I bet if we lowered the drinking age to 18 while raising the voting age to 28 all of your campus buddies would get behind passing the bill, like 95% of them ..... THAT'S EXACTLY WHY I DON'T WANT THE YOUTH DECIDING WHO THE NEXT PRESIDENT IS.

Things that are different when you're 18 vs. 16

1. The potential(albeit limited in this situation) for a draft.
2. I get charged as an adult if I get arrested. Responsible enough to be criminally liable for my actions, but not enough to vote?

And I bet you're wrong. Let me ask you a question erect. How much time do you spend every week actually physically talking to someone my age? How many people is this sample size here?
Or are you forming your opinions of a generation based off of some random Spring Break video on MTV?

That's not what I said at all. The vast majority are simply not informed and/or would vote selfishly. It's not that they don't agree with me, it's because it's bad for the country as a whole.
Ex: Say Obama campaigns on free gov't funded college for all high school graduates. Democrats like to buy votes with handouts so this is a good example. College kids wouldn't care about the damage this would do to the economy, they want their free tuition.

...this is an awesome hypothetical argument, unfortunately it has no basis in reality.
Obama's not doing that, and has never indicated he would.

If you're against selfish voting, can I expect to see you ragging on republicans like popeye who blatantly say their motivation is a desire to pay as little taxes as possible?
I'm sorry, but I can't believe given the repubs tax plan you called students "selfish" voters.

Republicans want lower taxes on the rich and everyone else to pay their fair share. These are poeple who provide jobs & power our economy with all their contributions to the GDP. True, some are corrupt, but if you can answer honestly, who deserves the tax breaks more?

a> someone looking for a handout
b> someone who creates wealth for our country

The people without enough food to live on. Or people without houses. I've known these people in my life, and they're not looking for a handout.

I'm sorry, but especially as people in our industry, do you honestly believe we're working harder than someone working 2 shitty, mind numbing jobs?
If you do, you need your head checked.
I know I don't deserve what I make from a "difficulty of work" perspective, and I can't imagine being conceited enough to believe otherwise.

Oh by the way, it's even better in Michigan. Republicans demolished our mental health system a bit ago. So in many cases these people looking for "handouts" as you say are mentally ill people with no family who were thrown out by the state gov't because engler wanted a tiny little boost in his "end of the year" statistics.

87% of the country is christian. The only difference between democratic and republican religious nutjobs is the color of their skin.

Agreed. But the evangelicals/nutters are almost without exception conservative.
We have our nuts, don't get me wrong. Find a hippy middle-school teacher and you'll know what I mean. But I'm sorry, trying to spread the crazy christian blame is an argument on the failboat.

I totally agree that the republicans in power should tuck their tail and make another party for their war-mongering agenda. It's not what a true conservative believes.

^right thurrr.

 

[pat J]

87% of the country is christian. The only difference between democratic and republican religious nutjobs is the color of their skin.

Uh no. Obama might be a christian, but he's not a religious nutjob. The majority of all democrats might also be christians but not as crazy as the majority of all republicans. This is what the MAJORTIY of republicans actually believe;

* Using stem cells for medial research is wrong.
* A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body.
* If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.
* Creationism should be taught in public schools.
* Ban gay marriages and adoptions, ban the teaching of evolution, ban/censor porn, punish women who expose their breasts...

Voting for a republican candidate would be like voting for Hitler because you're not a jew and you don't give a fuck as long as you get your 3% tax cut.