Other than the obvious arguments for brain activity, beating hearts, etc, I wasn't saying that they were. He had just said that:
and I argued that human embryos have unique human genetic code.
Abortion?
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Other than the obvious arguments for brain activity, beating hearts, etc, I wasn't saying that they were. He had just said that:
and I argued that human embryos have unique human genetic code.
I think that really depends on what stage the abortion takes place, in the first weeks to months of pregnancy the fetus does not have a beating heart.
On the second part we are arguing how fetuses are human, the desist have a unique code does that make them human?
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We also have the complete sequence for wheatgerm in our own genome, yet there you go drinking beers and killing millions upon millions of the poor bastards, so you can have a delicious malty beverage that has been brewed since the time of the Egyptian dynasties.
Quite frankly, the world is over populated as it is. It's no longer even a 3rd world problem as many larger cities are facing a lack of resources in the means of fresh water supplies.
Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.
Or perhaps stem it at the root of the problem. IUDs for everyone that hasn't applied for a child license!! Men too, as there are male ones apparently. In this way, people that are clearly unfit to have children (can't support them financially, 15 year olds, or maybe they're just idiots) can't have them, and everyone can go out and have as much sex as they like... And then watch as the venereal disease rates sky rocket because people confuse birth control for protection, and my stocks in Pfizer become worth something again.
And don't give me the Eugenics slippery slop argument...
I'm all for post-humanism via genetic manipulation based eugenics (which sounds wanky and sci-fi, but the tech is really right around the corner if genetic research bans are lifted)
Sorry, as much as I'd like to agree with you being that you are pro-abortion options and all, you're right up there withe the pro-lifers if you want government to be involved in forced sterility/contraception. It's just a little too George Orwellish for my liking. Education, definitely. Incentives? Possibly. Regulation, Hell no.
Too many people see abortion as an issue, when it's really a decision.
In any case you should seek to give life to the fetus (which in my opinion is not yet sentient therefor not yet considered a baby or alive) but in the end it all comes down to the individual (or mutual couple) having the baby.
I understand the beliefs of people who are pro-life. On the other hand, under no circumstance would I ever personally support the surrender of choice - especially not to the government. So fuck you if you voted yes to 48.
In any case you should seek to give life to the fetus (which in my opinion is not yet sentient therefor not yet considered a baby or alive) but in the end it all comes down to the individual (or mutual couple) having the baby.
I understand the beliefs of people who are pro-life. On the other hand, under no circumstance would I ever personally support the surrender of choice - especially not to the government. So fuck you if you voted yes to 48.
See, this is why I'm pro-choice - so little self centered fags like this can get thrown in the garbage before there whore of a mom can even give birth to them.
Pro choice.
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Having had my gf get an abortion, I would have to say my blackhat career would have gotten in the way of my family. 
HarveyJ
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Turbo: Sorry, that was dry wit again. In retrospect, even by my standard, the joke there is pretty obtuse, and I guess the line about miniature American flags isn't enough to of a tip off that it's not serious.
LOL.. I loose some skin cells, there you got a complete human genome right there.
Ya gonna protect them?
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Yes the argument is and always will be pro choice and anti choice. I'm just saving you from yourselves here. You can't argue pro life because then you would have to be against the death penalty. (Don't start spewing stuff about a baby vs a convict, a convict is still a life no matter how despicable it is) and we all know how much Americans LOOOOOVE their death penalty.
I figured you were being tongue and cheek although it's always hard to tell with that Aussie accent.
You're taking terminology assigned to two different ideals and reducing it to literal english.
Instead of pro choice and anti choice, how about grouping the two groups into "fetuses are babies" and "fetuses are not babies".
I still can't understand how people like you can compare the (supposed) life of an unborn baby to the life of a serial murder rapist on death row.
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