Good Fucking Greif Limbaugh compares Obama's logo to Nazi's

[illmill]

OMG! What a moron! Obama's symbol includes the international symbol for health and the nazi one is an eagle and a swastika. They are not even remotely similar. This is from wiki answers:
The symbol for medicine (aka - health) is caduceus. Caduceus is the legendary wand of the Greek God, Hermes (the Roman God equivalent was Mercury) - this famous symbol is a staff entwined by twin serpents. Initially, the symbol meant harmony and balance.

 

[lanwar]

oh really. let's compare, in obama's first year:

ok

1 - Claiming opponents to his bills are unpatriotic, voted for the USA PATRIOT Act

Bush pushed through the Patriot Act. And I don't think you'll find anyone who'll say that he beats Bush in that regard.

2 - Kept GITMO open

Bush opened Gitmo. Bush oversaw all the enhanced interrogation etc.

3 - Villification of Republicans and making them all out to be dumb hicks

Hardly beats "Iraq has weapons of mass destruction". + its not like the Dems weren't villified by Republicans either

4 - The supremacy of groups like ACORN

Let's attack Iraq! Let's attack Iran! The party tooting the let's invade everybody horn is the GOP

5 - No example, but name some with Bush.

To me this is actually a backwards approach. The dems work for women's rights while the GOP doesn't really do anything.

6 - lol. NBC/MSNBC, ABC, CBS, CNN are so far in his back pocket. the only ones who aren't are Fox

which is why I more or less didn't count this one.

7 - Claiming all legislation he does is "emergency" and if not passed the country will fail (Stimulus bill)

9/11, 9-11, Nine-ELEVEN!, Nine........ELEVEN!

8 - None yet

This one is squarely int he republican camp.

9 - Please. Geithner and Goldman Sachs? The pharmaceutical companies and the healthcare bill?

I'd go with the republicans are widely considered the party of big business and Wall Street.

10 - Wanting to give labor organizations TOO much power, including elimination of a fundamental right to worker privacy by eliminating the secret ballot for unions, allowing for employees to be intimidated.

Wanting to eliminate all unions trumps that, since that's in the definition.

11 - How did Bush show disdain or suppress the arts? By my count, Bush only began vetoing bills in 2006 and beyond, and several spending bills included the arts that he signed onto.

I can see why you'd focus on that, but let's not forget that Republicans are actually proud of being the party of anti-intellectuals. That their main putdown is to attack "libirul" colleges.

12 - GITMO, going after Swiss bank accounts and potentially imprisoning their owners, etc

a) Started under Bush. b) Do you think tax evaders who dodge millions in taxes should get away scott free, while we pay our taxes?

13 - Rahm Emanuel. Tim Geithner. Robert Gibbs. Enough said.

Bush using paid contractors that were paid 5 times more than soldiers in Iraq. I'm sure the fact that his VP used to be head of one of those companies played nothing in the decision.

14 - NBPP intimidating voters in specific districts with weapons outside of polling places.

2004 raising the alert level right before the election.

Now, what were you saying? And Bush had a full 8 years to rack his shit list up.

That point for point, the GOP fits the mold of facism much closer than the dems.

 

[popeye]

who cares?

The guy just doesnt matter.

Your right, BO is slowly eroding into a Jimmy Carter existence.

 

[illmill]

oh whatever, who cares. it's not like bush wasn't compared to hitler for 8 years

Because bush was very similar to Hitler. Bush used the media the same way hitler did to influence the news and what information the public received. How do u think Hitler got so many crazies to hate jews that much? And how did Bush win the second election? That's the biggest similarity that I see.

 

[papajohn56]

I'd go with the republicans are widely considered the party of big business and Wall Street.

I can see why you'd focus on that, but let's not forget that Republicans are actually proud of being the party of anti-intellectuals. That their main putdown is to attack "libirul" colleges.

2004 raising the alert level right before the election.

with the others you basically proved my point just by continuing comparison rather than refuting, so I'm going to focus on these two:

1. Because historically the republicans were about limited governments and free markets.

2. Bullshit. You're confusing rednecks who happen to support a specific party, with the party itself. You fail to remember that it was once the Democrats that took this group in and was proud of it. Neither party is about stamping out the arts, jesus christ. The Democrats just want federal or state funding for it, and the republicans prefer private non-profit and charitable funding for them. You got caught in media stereotype and hype on this one.


the others, you just kept on with "Well they did this!" rather than refuting my points.

 

[papajohn56]

Because bush was very similar to Hitler. Bush used the media the same way hitler did to influence the news and what information the public received. How do u think Hitler got so many crazies to hate jews that much? And how did Bush win the second election? That's the biggest similarity that I see.

holy christ you're a moron, do you really think Bush manipulated the media? he maybe manipulated one TV network, but the rest chided him and rode his ass so badly, especially late in term. how the fuck was bush even remotely similar to hitler

 

[jenzkc]

Because bush was very similar to Hitler. Bush used the media the same way hitler did to influence the news and what information the public received. How do u think Hitler got so many crazies to hate jews that much? And how did Bush win the second election? That's the biggest similarity that I see.

i'd try to manipulate the media if i was president. i mean, why not? what is there to lose? a second term?

 

[illmill]

holy christ you're a moron, do you really think Bush manipulated the media? he maybe manipulated one TV network, but the rest chided him and rode his ass so badly, especially late in term. how the fuck was bush even remotely similar to hitler

I'm not a moron for having a different political view than you. You're the moron for not knowing shit about history or facts. FACT: Rupert Murdoch's media reaches 90% of the world's population. It's not just one TV channel, it's also the Wallstreet Journal, Myspace, and countless other newspapers, tv stations and websites.

I don't 'think' he manipulated the media, it's a fact that he did. My degree is in media communications. Fucking read a book or quit watching fox news, maybe you'll learn something.

 

[Refrozen]

Well to be fair, if you look at the 14 points of facism, Bush policies fit much closer to the definition:

I mean the only part that might be attributed to the democrats, is controlled mass media....although I'm not that sure about that, considering Fox is rated #1 news channel, Limbaugh/Hannity control the airways, and Wall Street Journal is like the only newspaper that hasn't failed

If we're going to talk about "closeness to Hitler", I think Obama is pretty damn close on the power front. The whole cult of personality thing, his "unify everyone" approach to control, the narcissistic twisting of facts to suit his agenda and mask his rampant lies...

Regardless, until they start killing Jews directly, neither Obama or Bush can be compared to Hitler, because of the ... aura... we've built around the whole situation... yet apparently, not the other bad people in history.

Edit: not to mention what papajohn had to say. He's pretty well spot on.

I don't 'think' he manipulated the media, it's a fact that he did. My degree is in media communications. Fucking read a book or quit watching fox news, maybe you'll learn something.

Wow! A degree! You're qualified to speak about pretty much anything now!

Seriously, how is it a fact? I want to hear a fact. Not that you were in media communications at some bullshit school. Not that you read a book therefore what you say is gospel. Not that your professor who is a narcissistic ass by design of the entire system thinks that Bush manipulated the media and told you it was a fact. How did Bush "manupulate media" and how is this a fact?

For the record, I hate Bush.

 

[jenzkc]

How can you all be so blind? The day is coming soon when America will need to revolt against the powers they've elected to have their best interests at heart. Unbridled power is toxic and won't be sacrificed easily. Revolution is coming. Mark my words. Possibly not through an act of war, but by the hearts and souls of men engaging in the process, who were formerly complacent.

well, riots did start in the ghettos when the economy was in shambles around the beginning of the vietnam war, but the national guard quickly took action. it would be the same scenario today. if the economy falters enough, rioting will start in the poorest areas, the national guard will come in, stamp it out and the middle class will be too intimidated to follow.

 

[papajohn56]

I'm not a moron for having a different political view than you. You're the moron for not knowing shit about history or facts. FACT: Rupert Murdoch's media reaches 90% of the world's population. It's not just one TV channel, it's also the Wallstreet Journal, Myspace, and countless other newspapers, tv stations and websites.

I don't 'think' he manipulated the media, it's a fact that he did. My degree is in media communications. Fucking read a book or quit watching fox news, maybe you'll learn something.

lmao, conspiracy theory much? you equated bush to hitler in a completely unsubstantiated claim. "My degree is in media communications" congratulations, you earned one of the easiest degrees attainable at any hack job university. FACT: your degree is worthless. grade inflation for the win, right? for the record, I don't like Bush either, but if you were capable of reading, it's so blatantly obvious that he was manipulated by the likes of Karl Rove and Donald Rumsfeld to the point where it was THEIR policies, not his.

yeah, you're a fucking moron. get out.

 

[SethTheUBotGuy]

just a quick point about the media:

we all know that fox news and msnbc are pretty similar, just polar opposites. the main difference is that msnbc doesn't incite violence. after watching keith olbermann, I don't want to beat up any republicans, I just think they're stupid. after watching rachel maddow, I don't want to racially profile the religious right, I just think they're hippocrites. (and yes I realize that this is the purpose of these shows.)

fox news says things that they know are lies that have the effect of making people violent. Scott Roeder (if you don't watch the news, he recently killed an abortion dr) was part of the pro life movement. bill o'reilly had previously talked about said abortion dr, calling him a "baby killer" and such. michelle malkin actually has a book titled "the case for racial profiling". really, she does, look it up. glenn beck said that obama is a racist who hated white people. you can disagree with obama all you want, but you really think he hates white people?

man, I should really avoid these politics threads.. they never end well

 

[papajohn56]

fox news says things that they know are lies that have the effect of making people violent. Scott Roeder (if you don't watch the news, he recently killed an abortion dr) was part of the pro life movement. bill o'reilly had previously talked about said abortion dr, calling him a "baby killer" and such. michelle malkin actually has a book titled "the case for racial profiling". really, she does, look it up. glenn beck said that obama is a racist who hated white people. you can disagree with obama all you want, but you really think he hates white people?

see I had looked at this also, but there had been other death threats and acts of violence against Tiller before O'Reilly ever came on the air, so that really killed that argument for me.

Michelle Malkin is a bitch and calls libertarians "south park conservatives". and the connection was made to racism due to reverend Wright - but then again, we all remember the "George Bush doesn't care about black people" nonsense.

and plus, go watch some recent videos of Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC, going after Peter Schiff "You hate the elderly because you don't want a single payer system, those lazy horrible seniors on Medicare, right, that's exactly what you believe". O'Reilly at least lets people finish a sentence once in a while (he's still a blowhard), but this guy O'Donnell is a joke

 

[riddarhusetgal]

Everybody knows a bi-racial politician with a kenyan father, midwestern mother, raised by a former world war II vet, with a chinese-canadian brother in law that got 78% of the Jewish vote is just a non patriotic, non pledge-of-allegiance saying, closet Jew hater and racist. When are people going to start listening to Rush Limbaugh?!

Wake up people!!

 

[SethTheUBotGuy]

see I had looked at this also, but there had been other death threats and acts of violence against Tiller before O'Reilly ever came on the air, so that really killed that argument for me.

I'm not really sure how that makes a difference. if you're thinking about shooting someone, and someone says to you "yeah that person deserves to die," does it make that person's comment ok somehow? why would it matter which was first? the point is bill o'reilly said something stupid, and while I'm sure its not the only reason tiller is dead, it certainly didn't help the issue.

and plus, go watch some recent videos of Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC, going after Peter Schiff "You hate the elderly because you don't want a single payer system, those lazy horrible seniors on Medicare, right, that's exactly what you believe". O'Reilly at least lets people finish a sentence once in a while (he's still a blowhard), but this guy O'Donnell is a joke

right, people say say inflammatory things on both sides. but do you see the difference? medicare is socialized medicine, and yet a lot of these people, who are at the townhalls shouting down the public option, really love their medicare.lawrence o'donnell is exxaggerating a point that is true. saying a dr, who performs abortions when the life of the mom is in danger, is a murderer is just absurd. as a libertarian (I believe I remember you saying you were a libertarian somewhere, I apologize if I'm wrong), you can't buy into this religious pro life bs. it's just a belief that was chosen really somewhat arbitrarily by the religious right (I don't think the bible says anything about life beginning at conception, but oh well).

the thing about death panels - that's not even an exxaggeration; it's an outright lie. there's nothing in the healthcare bill even close to that. allowing your dr to talk to you about making a will - when you request it - is not the same as a group of beaurocrats sitting around a table deciding who lives and who dies.

I'm not saying that msnbc has clean hands, I'm just saying the two aren't really the same.

 

[Refrozen]

saying a dr, who performs abortions when the life of the mom is in danger, is a murderer is just absurd. as a libertarian (I believe I remember you saying you were a libertarian somewhere, I apologize if I'm wrong), you can't buy into this religious pro life bs.

Uh. I'm a pro-choice libertarian. Abortions are murder and that doctor does take people's lives. Obviously.

It also seems obvious to me that that doctor is doing a great positive service to the world, helping these mothers out.

But. You're still killing a human being.

It's not religious pro-life bullshit. Its just killing.

I'm just not necessarily always against killing, it seems to be fair to draw the line at birth. I like drawing the line at birth.

Other people's opinions on this particular issue differ, but it has nothing to do with their religion.

the thing about death panels - that's not even an exxaggeration; it's an outright lie. there's nothing in the healthcare bill even close to that. allowing your dr to talk to you about making a will - when you request it - is not the same as a group of beaurocrats sitting around a table deciding who lives and who dies.

Well, except, at the end of the day that is EXACTLY what socialized medicine is...

 

[riddarhusetgal]

medicare is socialized medicine, and yet a lot of these people, who are at the townhalls shouting down the public option, really love their medicare.l

Hang on a minute! You actually want these people to think rationally? You actually want some of these folks on the fringe right to come out and not be hypocritical?

What planet are you on?!

I'm trying to figure out if you chuckle as uncontrollable as I do when these dullards say things like "STOP SOCIALIZED MEDICINE...AND DON'T TOUCH MY MEDICARE"

I have it on a repeat loop to bring a smile to my face whenever I am feeling stressed out and need a good laugh...

 

[SethTheUBotGuy]

you know, just another quick point on the public option: have you noticed how every criticism of it is actually already true of the private healthcare we already have? they really do have teams that decide who lives and who dies. they really do ration care. they really do steal your money and control your life.

I guess what I don't get is why people trust the money hungry ceos more than the government. I mean, both suck. I don't trust the government either, but come on. the ceos are bringing home billion dollar salaries. that's your money. you really think these guys pulled themselves up by their bootstraps, and worked really hard, and now they deserve their billion dollar salaries, and for that reason and that reason alone, they're somehow more trustworthy than the government?

 

[turbolapp]

God that man is an attention whore.

 

[lanwar]

with the others you basically proved my point just by continuing comparison rather than refuting, so I'm going to focus on these two:

1. Because historically the republicans were about limited governments and free markets.

How far back are we going historically? Reagan? Ford? Nixon? Eisenhower? Something is wrong, if you have to go back 40 years to find a time when your party lived up to what they are trying to preach.

I mean let's take Zombie Reagan for example, supposedly the greatest modern president according to Republicans. Yet he was the one who turned U.S. into a debtor nation, supported Saddam Hussein, sold Iran thousands of missiles, armed and trained those who became the Taliban and Al Qaeda, married religion to conservatism, raised taxes 6 times, was involved in Iran Contra, and raised the national drinking age.

Limited government republicanism died with Barry Goldwater's presidential run.

2. Bullshit. You're confusing rednecks who happen to support a specific party, with the party itself. You fail to remember that it was once the Democrats that took this group in and was proud of it. Neither party is about stamping out the arts, jesus christ. The Democrats just want federal or state funding for it, and the republicans prefer private non-profit and charitable funding for them. You got caught in media stereotype and hype on this one.

Right, because Sarah Palin didn't gain immense popularity in the GOP. Because when she was asked what papers she read and couldn't answer...it was the libural media asking a gotcha question, not her being a dumbass. When your party's mascot is Sarah Palin, how can you even try to say with a straight face that your party represents intellectuals.

the others, you just kept on with "Well they did this!" rather than refuting my points.

well duh, it's not a black and white case, its a case of shades of gray. It's like if you were being robbed and you shot and killed the robber, being compared to you finding a mentally disturbed person and curb stomping him to death. Yeah, both are murders, but they aren't exactly the same.