Scaling

markus

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From the halls of Google...

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Kinda motivating.

fwiw, the Search Stories vids kinda fit here.

Q: for those that churn it out, other than misspellings or city references, what are a few of your favorites you'd share in terms of long tail?

When applicable, including nouns/verbs and forming into assorted questions help build out. Others?
 


"20 to 25% of Google queries have never been searched before"

er, if they have never been searched for how dose Google know of them? wouldn't a query to Google mean someone searched for that term?
 
20 to 25% of the queries they get have never been seen previously.

Dose this count the bullshit they are pulling up with the recommended search... because I am sure "Why wont my parakeet eat my diarrhea" had been in that 20-25% before people saw it.

Sure this is interesting but I can't help feel its 20-25% retarded crap.
 
Heard of some players using macros that add certain prefixes and suffixes to popular search phrases and say they get volume on some of them. I don't how effective that practice is in general, I was skeptical that you could get sustainable and consistent performance with a method like that.
 
Sure this is interesting but I can't help feel its 20-25% retarded crap.

Why is it so hard to believe?

The web is still relatively young and only 25% of the earth's population is currently online. As more users come online from all parts of the world in many different languages this will result in all kinds of new queries.
 
If you consider the rate the web grows, the amount of user generated content, and how accessible new information is now, its easy to see that these stats could be true.

As of July 2009, Google has 235 million searches per day. source

In another post I mentioned Demand Media, which pumps out 4,000 videoclips and articles a day with a unique system.

"It starts with an algorithm. The algorithm is fed inputs from three sources: Search terms (popular terms from more than 100 sources comprising 2 billion searches a day), The ad market (a snapshot of which keywords are sought after and how much they are fetching), and The competition (what’s online already and where a term ranks in search results). "


Demand Media uses an About.com/Mahalo-eque piece work system.

"Pieces are not dreamed up by trained editors nor commissioned based on submitted questions. Instead they are assigned by an algorithm, which mines nearly a terabyte of search data, Internet traffic patterns, and keyword rates to determine what users want to know and how much advertisers will pay to appear next to the answers."


"Demand Media wants to answer any question anybody has about anything. That means covering the obscure and the very obscure. "


Since Google likes updates, and more pages equal more in roads, scaling your niche from every conceivable angle in terms of content makes sense.


Sure Demand Media is producing to sell. I used to work with a site that had volumes of user generated content produced daily. It was related to online shopping and this site would outrank the brand mentioned for the first week each time a new model of something came out. The sheer volume of all those unique pages being churned out brought in a lot of traffic daily.


A reminder for anyone that hasn't read The Long Tail yet.


Any other thoughts on a new spin?

color, model, brand, size, city, misspelling, plural, verbs, nouns, adjectives, city...?
 
The long tail is NOT the way 99% of super affiliates approach the biz. Screw the long tail .... it's the opposite you want to go after ... the "short head". I can make more money off one competitive keyword than you'll ever make off of 1000 long tails in the same niche, and you're going to do a shitload more work than me.

If you're Amazon, long tail = good.

If you're an affiliate, long tail = bad.

You can thank me later if you wrap your mind around this concept and do it right ...
 
I guess this depends on whether you want to build a long term strategy or landers for the berry of the moment.

I'm not disagreeing, but saying it depends on your goals.

Long tail affs;
fatwallet.com
shopping.com
and probably overstock.com

comparison shopping and coupon/deal sites are good examples.

social sites with shopping like thisnext, kaboodle, or stylehive sorta

I've seen some affiliate sites that are pure feeds with user generated content community that do extremely well.

but they take time to build naturally.

When you get big enough, you get to work directly with merchants.
Aff networks usually take 20-25% off the top

but i digress

The long tail is NOT the way 99% of super affiliates approach the biz. Screw the long tail .... it's the opposite you want to go after ... the "short head". I can make more money off one competitive keyword than you'll ever make off of 1000 long tails in the same niche, and you're going to do a shitload more work than me.

If you're Amazon, long tail = good.

If you're an affiliate, long tail = bad.

You can thank me later if you wrap your mind around this concept and do it right ...
 
why?

everyday has new products, music, gossip, news people want more info on

and questions, business addresses, phone #'s, etc

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etc

with not everyone searching the same way makes for a variety of queries
 
I have to say I'm with Markus on this one. If you take all variables into account the stat can't be that far off. TBH, I've always had an obsession with conquering long tails but have never come up with a unique or intriguing enough idea to put into action.

To those doubting the statistic, think... general progression of society along the lines of new products, events, headline news stories, and then all names and variations that come along with them. Another factor to consider is the amount of new googlers each day that bring their own set of unique queries with them. All just the tip of the iceberg though.
 
You guys are thinking to linear.

When I sear, I rarely search in complete sentences. It's usually just a jumble of keywords. So imagine the multiple varietions of a potentially endless amount of words. Then add other languages.
 
This is stupid and doesn't make sense.

Technically 100% of queries have never been previously searched on google at one point. There's no time frame tied to it thus it's a statistic they can basically pull out of their assholes and it must be true since it's basically a tautology.