Moving On from a Network

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I won't blame you or be mad if this gets me a "tl;dr" or even a "cool story bro" but while the wound has been temporarily reopened, I figured right now is a good time to go to one of the most personal and realistic affiliate marketing communities on the web and see what's up.


I'm sure everyone who has been in affiliate and internet marketing for a good bit of time has had to hang up their keyboard and move on from pushing offers on one network and transfer to working for another.
Last year is when I really saw my first success in affiliate marketing and dug deep into the game, which actually happened to be running a couple adult offers. I found a really good method that was being accepted by this network, they basically told me to open the flood gates and send them in as many leads as I can if they can retain they quality I've sent so far, and eventually I was up around the $1200/day mark and I was really pleased and just completely excited. Depending on my will to work, this continued for about 3 months where my profits fluctuated anywhere from about $300-$1500 each day. I was really still learning how affiliate marketing worked and was doing a lot of testing, learning what works and learning even more from what wasn't working.

As time progresses, you get smarter, you learn things about affiliate marketing and I was no different. Instead of being a stat watcher, I started looking into other affiliate networks and basically saw that the network I was sending traffic to was not much more than a basic whitelabel that was paying me out about 20% less than I could be making if I ran my little operation through this mother network of theirs. Everything was the exact same and I considered my options and being a grown man, self-employed, completely capable of making my own choices I said it's time to get after the money I really could be earning. Slowly, I began testing and rotating traffic (at this time I had really learned about "shaving" and like any inexperienced marketer, I thought the world was out to shave me [or is it?] and I was completely paranoid about having my leads stolen) and this original network (Network A) noticed my traffic declining and started checking my landing pages.

Upon discovering I was now splitting traffic evenly between Network A and Network B (the higher paying network running the same exact offer), affiliate managers and the owners of Network A treat me like garbage and basically completely exile me. Things such as "You're sending us fraudulent leads!" and such begin to surface with Network A, and within a week I am terminated. You can't expect everyone to react positively, I guess, in losing a decently-performing affiliate, so I really just let it go in consideration that I was being paid higher at Network B, anyway.

What truly bothered me about this situation though is that the people behind Network A tried their absolute hardest for about a week to throw out a disgusting reputation about me. They made claims that I costed them around $26,000 in chargebacks and the biggest head-scratcher they came with was what they published on a few forums that a couple of their AMs were active at. This forum really exclusively promotes using this network and the people behind Network A made posts calling me a scammer, thief, claiming that if they knew where I'd live they'd "come and break all of my fingers", etc.

Here is what really had me confused though: The way Network A acted as if I owed them so much for "what they did for me." Have you ever had a network or AM treat you like they made you as a marketer and high-earning affiliate simply because... they paid you on time? I don't understand the mindset that, because I am being paid what I have worked for and earned, I should owe that network and be completely worshiping and loyal to them. Isn't being paid the bare minimum? Is something like this common in affiliate marketing, as in should this be how I expect any AM or network to respond when I find an identical, higher-paying offer elsewhere? Is it bad etiquette to make a decision that is best for yourself to move on and get paid more for your work?


Although the last paragraph is really why I made this thread, I should go on to mention that within a month I was also terminated from Network B, based on the hateful and false information Network A had thrown out there about me. I understand the industry is really cutthroat when it comes to losing any money, but situations like this just strike me as wrong.

Let me know if a similar situation has happened to anyone, or I'll even accept "tl;dr" responses actually.
 


Craigslist?
I've never heard of it.



naw naw naw, don't phunk with my heart
:updown:



Out the offer/network/traffic source.
This happened maybe 4 months ago, but I was just recently shown a couple emails between someone at Network A and someone else regarding this and it reminded me what a ridiculous and shitty situation it was and I'm just looking for a little insight now.

Network A has since either fell apart of renamed it's little whitelabel, but they were basically reselling BigClicks (I'm really not sure if that's a popular name in adult marketing).

If you check out BigClicks and if it looks like a joke or something completely amateur, keep in mind I was fresh into self-employment and affiliate marketing and it was one of the first doorways introduced to me. BigClicks isn't really in the wrong here at all, they'd be Network B in my original post and they just acted based on the garbage information that someone they trusted (at Network A) fed to them.

I'm not trying to damage anyone's reputation, even if they maybe deserve it, I'm just wondering if my behavior in switching one rung up the ladder to the offer's (apparent, higher-paying) source was not something that is looked at as "correct" and if it's common practice at all for affiliate networks (outside of adult) to kind of crucify their affiliates for showing, what they would describe as, disloyalty.
 
Well bigger networks normally don't "Freak out" in my experience. They'll try to do things to get you to stay, payout bumps and things like that. If your set on leaving and stuff they won't "Out you" or try and frame you for bad leads. That's just my personal experience though.
 
It's simple, you were working with a peasant network that needed your traffic to put food on the table. Additionally, it was probably run by turbofaggots (such as XY7).

Business is business. You have a fiduciary duty to your company to generate as much profit as possible. That means constantly shopping around suppliers and vendors for the best deals possible. The only thing you should be ashamed of is that you didn't do this earlier.

You're going to look back on this post in a year and feel embarassed. But hey, look at the good news: you moved on. You're dealing with a network that doesn't need your $1000/day to feed their families and you can focus on growing your business.

Remind me again, what were they taking 20% again for? Was it the 30 seconds of setting up a tracking pixel? No, it was a 20% cut for taking advantage of your ignorance. Lesson learned.
 
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I won't blame you or be mad if this gets me a "tl;dr" or even a "cool story bro" but while the wound has been temporarily reopened, I figured right now is a good time to go to one of the most personal and realistic affiliate marketing communities on the web and see what's up.


I'm sure everyone who has been in affiliate and internet marketing for a good bit of time has had to hang up their keyboard and move on from pushing offers on one network and transfer to working for another.
Last year is when I really saw my first success in affiliate marketing and dug deep into the game, which actually happened to be running a couple adult offers. I found a really good method that was being accepted by this network, they basically told me to open the flood gates and send them in as many leads as I can if they can retain they quality I've sent so far, and eventually I was up around the $1200/day mark and I was really pleased and just completely excited. Depending on my will to work, this continued for about 3 months where my profits fluctuated anywhere from about $300-$1500 each day. I was really still learning how affiliate marketing worked and was doing a lot of testing, learning what works and learning even more from what wasn't working.

As time progresses, you get smarter, you learn things about affiliate marketing and I was no different. Instead of being a stat watcher, I started looking into other affiliate networks and basically saw that the network I was sending traffic to was not much more than a basic whitelabel that was paying me out about 20% less than I could be making if I ran my little operation through this mother network of theirs. Everything was the exact same and I considered my options and being a grown man, self-employed, completely capable of making my own choices I said it's time to get after the money I really could be earning. Slowly, I began testing and rotating traffic (at this time I had really learned about "shaving" and like any inexperienced marketer, I thought the world was out to shave me [or is it?] and I was completely paranoid about having my leads stolen) and this original network (Network A) noticed my traffic declining and started checking my landing pages.

Upon discovering I was now splitting traffic evenly between Network A and Network B (the higher paying network running the same exact offer), affiliate managers and the owners of Network A treat me like garbage and basically completely exile me. Things such as "You're sending us fraudulent leads!" and such begin to surface with Network A, and within a week I am terminated. You can't expect everyone to react positively, I guess, in losing a decently-performing affiliate, so I really just let it go in consideration that I was being paid higher at Network B, anyway.

What truly bothered me about this situation though is that the people behind Network A tried their absolute hardest for about a week to throw out a disgusting reputation about me. They made claims that I costed them around $26,000 in chargebacks and the biggest head-scratcher they came with was what they published on a few forums that a couple of their AMs were active at. This forum really exclusively promotes using this network and the people behind Network A made posts calling me a scammer, thief, claiming that if they knew where I'd live they'd "come and break all of my fingers", etc.

Here is what really had me confused though: The way Network A acted as if I owed them so much for "what they did for me." Have you ever had a network or AM treat you like they made you as a marketer and high-earning affiliate simply because... they paid you on time? I don't understand the mindset that, because I am being paid what I have worked for and earned, I should owe that network and be completely worshiping and loyal to them. Isn't being paid the bare minimum? Is something like this common in affiliate marketing, as in should this be how I expect any AM or network to respond when I find an identical, higher-paying offer elsewhere? Is it bad etiquette to make a decision that is best for yourself to move on and get paid more for your work?


Although the last paragraph is really why I made this thread, I should go on to mention that within a month I was also terminated from Network B, based on the hateful and false information Network A had thrown out there about me. I understand the industry is really cutthroat when it comes to losing any money, but situations like this just strike me as wrong.

Let me know if a similar situation has happened to anyone, or I'll even accept "tl;dr" responses actually.

damn, that almost sounds sad.

out the network so I never work with them shiiiiiiiit. xy7 could be right because they definitely are aids infected flaming assholes who in their own minds think they are the next Godfather.
 
Like any other business out there, some of the people who work in it are assholes, some people are not. The unfortunate thing is that you don't typically find out who the assholes are until things stop going their way.

I hope that you, and any inexperienced affiliate reading this thread, take your story as an (expensive) learning lesson. While you can totally prevent this sort of thing from happening, doing a bit of reputation research on any network you choose to work with might reduce the risk that you find yourself in that situation again in the future. This would include doing reputation research on the owners of the networks. Especially in this period of instant networks.

I don't just mean the scammy networks being started on the free version of HasOffers either. You can bet that anyone who has run their affiliate business as a total douchebag isn't going to change their methods if/when they ever start up a network.
 
Thats life bro. Sucks but it's just part of being an affiliate. If you really want to do something about it file a Cease & Desist ordering them to refrain from slandering your good name on the Internet. Of course if they keep doing it you have to spend your e-whorez money on lawyer-whorez but it should atleast send a message that tells them you're pissed and to "shut the fuck up"
 
$1200 a day?? So why not sue for libel, fuck them over, back. You can afford it...

And was it the network saying they'd break your fingers, or the people on its forums?