$290,000 Speeding Ticket




Red light cameras were ruled unconstitutional here in MN after some people along with the ACLU sued the City of Minneapolis for installing them.

The judge ruled them unconstitutional because they ticket the owner of the car rather than the driver which is not allowed in MN, and because they change the burden of proof from the prosecutor needing to prove guilt to the defendant needing to prove innocence in court. The burden of proof is always supposed to be on the prosecutor to prove guilt in court.

Minneapolis had to turn off all of their cameras and return all previously collected fines.
 
I just paid $480 to the wonderful state of California on evidence based on red light camera - for not stopping at a red before turning right!!! And there were no other cars in the intersection.

In CA, turning right on a red is the same offence as driving straight through a red - go figure.

They do give the ticket to the driver and not the owner of the car and do give you the option of stating if someone else was driving the car at the time of the offence. They had a video, front and back pics of the car and a pic of me driving.
 
I just paid $480 to the wonderful state of California on evidence based on red light camera - for not stopping at a red before turning right!!! And there were no other cars in the intersection.

In CA, turning right on a red is the same offence as driving straight through a red - go figure.

Running a red light while turning is still running a red light. You can turn right on a red light only after stopping first and looking for cars that have a green light.
 

The comments on this article are stupid as fuck:
i see no reason why fines shouldn't be means tested. a 100 euro fine would mean nothing to a multi-millionaire, this is really a punishment
i think it's the fairest of all methods. let your speeding ticket amount be a fair percentage of your financial worth/income. for example, a 400 dollar fine for an average joe making 50k a year (which one can get for speeding here in vancouver, canada) translates to around $184,000 for one who is worth 23 mil. the weight of the penalty will thus be felt for both circumstances.
I always thought that fines should be proportional to someone's income.
A fine is a punishment.

If someone makes $10hr and gets a $100 fine they have to work 10 hours to pay it off. If someone makes $1,000/hr they only have to work 6 minutes to pay the same fine.

One gets punished 10hrs of labor the other one 6 min. Not fair.
 
Just an example of government existing to not care about economics. IMO, if your damage to society by speeding is $100, you should be billed $100. If you value speeding more than $100, you'll speed. Problem solved; efficiency reached.

Actually IMO the government should stay out of roads entirely, but...
 
Just an example of government existing to not care about economics. IMO, if your damage to society by speeding is $100, you should be billed $100. If you value speeding more than $100, you'll speed. Problem solved; efficiency reached.

Actually IMO the government should stay out of roads entirely, but...

Not saying that people should be billed appropiately to their income but the issue with speeding is not that you drive to fast. Nobody cares if you die in a car crash but there are other people on the road.

a 50km/h zone in Switzerland is usually somewhere where children could be playing not really responsible to drive 100km/h there
 
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unbelievable... and i always thought switzerland was better than the rest... shucks guess i will have to settle for a bicycle for christmas
 
ooooo rli? I wonder why ....

Here's why I was surprised - in IL and NC, they are considered different violations. The fine amounts are different (way lower ) and it doesn't go on your driver's license (in IL and NC).

Also, the intersection was completely empty, absolutely no other cars. I understand that it doesn't excuse not stopping at the red. I learnt my lesson though.