I'm not siding with either side here, but any authority you had to speak on this issue just got reduced to 3/5ths for not even knowing the details of what you're dismissing.
Dat der pre-conceived notion and confirmation bias is a bitch.
3 US congressmen outing 9/11 secrets!
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I'm not siding with either side here, but any authority you had to speak on this issue just got reduced to 3/5ths for not even knowing the details of what you're dismissing.
Dat der pre-conceived notion and confirmation bias is a bitch.
just to add. some more stuff w/ former senator bob graham and his investigations into the saudi-9/11 connection. looks like he's been at this for quite some time. My question with all this is, IF this was actually the case, then what was the reasoning/motive behind it? What did the saudi govt expect to gain from 9/11 if they were truly behind it? The videos only briefly goes over the motive or the 'whys'. imo it didn't fully provide a convincing explanation.
Why Would Saudi Arabia Support the 9/11Conspirators, Why Would the US Gov. Cover it Up?
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NtaMfvLNakQ"]Why Would Saudi Arabia Support the 9/11Conspirators, Why Would the US Gov. Cover it Up? (3/4) - YouTube[/ame]
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWlZnnEbtuc"]Revealing the 9/11 Conspiracy Would Undo the Entire US-Saudi Alliance -- Sen. Bob Graham (2/2) - YouTube[/ame]
That motive was so weak. Although it's good to hear another (ex) US congressman talk about the saudi connection, to imagine that the House of Saud would plan & execute 9/11 on their ally & largest Oil customer because Bin Laden threatened them seriously strains credulity. Nevermind that Bin Laden was a CIA asset at the time, he was still a cave dweller in a far-away country that must be seen as extremely backwards from the Saudi royals. To them, Bin Laden would have been about as scary as Borat is to Obomba.
Also, the fact that Sen Bob Grahm wrote that book about this exact subject so in-depth pretty much means that this subject matter cannot be surprising to other congressmen, & therefore IS NOT the full range of these 28 pages. There has to be more that just "Saud had a role."
I won't get my hopes up and dream that a link to the whitehouse is in it, but it sounds like whatever they're going to release is going to change more than simply the amount of oil we buy from the Saudis.
Luke nothing is getting released. Just forget that idea. This is over and done with. This was either a distraction, or more than likely a negotiating tactic It's already been worked out privately. This guy is either going to get some legislation, or now won't be forced to go along with some piece he despises. The truth will be in the record
I have a feeling that you're right... In Soviet Amerika, even top elected officials can't talk about what they want.
In fact what I think happened is that the first two Reps were using this bill as a bargaining chip, trying to get something they wanted from someone who can't allow those 28 pages to be released... Then young & idealist Massey came along, signed onto the bill, and made this press conference happen without the first 2 guys' comfortable consent.
Still room for him to blab though; Lots of ways for him to leak the contents of the 28 pages without the 1st two guys' approval.
T'was tongue in cheek. Note the "or whatever" part
So Lukep there wasn't a controlled explosion? Buildings can come down like that? A bunch of guys with box cutters can hijack planes?
So funny when your argument falls to pieces you can so easily slip into another so comfortably and easily taking the intellectual high ground once again.
Sofa private investigators, pfff.
The Windsor building did partially collapse, the part that was steel frame construction like the WTC. The Chechnya building fire was spectacular because the part that burned was the plastic outer facade containing insulation - the interior did not burn. You might want to remove those two since they are poor comparisons.
WTF? My argument has fallen nowhere.
I doesn't matter what the 28 pages says, no matter if it says a rouge saudi or god himself was behind 9/11, thousands of architects, engineers and pilots still say that anything approaching the official story is physically impossible and they show more than enough proof for me to believe them.
Building 7 is so fake that I'm still waiting for Ashton Kutcher to jump out and tell the world that he was just punking us.
So why did you post the video in the first place?
You are making a thread that doesn't have any baring on anything.
You being unable to fly a plane where you want in flight simulator doesn't make it impossible to make it collide with a building.
Airplane fuel burns.
Heat reduces the structural integrity of any metal til it melts. Fire makes heat.
The Tower isn't freely falling. I know you want to watch videos and anyone saying authority lies is your hero.
Assuming you don't claim the planes and the fire and the screaming people to be a Mirage, do you realize how much explosives and wire youd need for a coordinated demolition of those buildings?
If you want an accurate measure of what's physically possible, ask a physicist. That's what they're for. Match words with profession names. It's not that difficult. Problem is they tell you the opposite of what you want to hear.
Airplane fuel burns.
Heat reduces the structural integrity of any metal til it melts. Fire makes heat.
The Tower isn't freely falling. I know you want to watch videos and anyone saying authority lies is your hero.
Assuming you don't claim the planes and the fire and the screaming people to be a Mirage, do you realize how much explosives and wire youd need for a coordinated demolition of those buildings?
If you want an accurate measure of what's physically possible, ask a physicist. That's what they're for. Match words with profession names. It's not that difficult. Problem is they tell you the opposite of what you want to hear.
Correction: It doesn't have any 'baring' on the whole truth, nor a most wanted outcome.
It could however become something pretty entertaining though if they open those 28 pages up... Could you imagine the consequences of us no longer having the Saudis as an ally? No more cheap arab oil? That's so big I doubt it will happen.
Tell that to building 7.
Building 7's downward motion matches up exactly to the downward motion of controlled demolitions. The two big ones? I have no clue but their blueprints state that they were designed to take a hit from airplanes like those with minimal damage. Other tall buildings, including the Empire state building a few blocks away, have in fact taken direct hits from planes and only had to do repairs on just a few floors.
Yes, it would be fucktons. I almost prefer the theory that it was an energy weapon instead of explosives because of this fact.
But a few gallons of kerosine? Clearly that would do the trick! :hollering:
Luckily there are hundreds of Physicists among the 2,200+ structural engineers too over here:
AE911Truth Petition Signers
If you are honestly looking for people who would know what's possible, that should be the best list you could find.
I don't know why I'm bothering with this since the tinfoil is most definitely covering your eyes and ears at this point, but this is the dumbest fucking comparison in the history of comparisons.
The Empire State building was hit by a fucking B-25. It had a maximum weight of 41,800 pounds. And a maximum speed of 315mph. Add in the fact that the pilot was actively trying to avoid hitting the building and it was likely coming in at a much slower speed.
The Twin Towers were hit by a fucking 767. Weight at the time of takeoff for both was estimated at roughly 274,000 pounds each. So you know, like 6.5 times the weight of the plane that hit the ESB. The planes also hit the TT at speeds of 470 mph and 590 mph.
The reason for the massive differences in damage to the buildings are basic fucking physics equations. Like seriously, 8th or 9th grade equations. 11th grade physics courses if you're really retarded. If you can't understand this very basic shit, you have no business commenting on what caused a Jenga tower to fall over, much less what caused a couple of massive buildings to collapse.