Do you really think I would start off with something so silly as "killing is bad"?? Me?? Cmon now. I'm a huge fan and supporter of natural selection. Be serious niyya.
Agreed. Natural selection and collateral damage in war (even amongst the general population), although sad is necessary.
A debate isn't about trying to convince one side to change their view or argument, its all about presenting your argument to a judge/judges and having them grade the relevance of logic and presentation effectiveness of arguing/debating a topic.
Agreed. But having a debate on this matter would be rather pointless and biased - unless it somehow consisted of a diversified panel of judges. lol. Seeing I'm far outnumbered with my political beliefs, whatever the outcome - I'll fail. For example; Rudolf Hess - he got sentenced to life in prison for trying to fly into Britain in an attempt to create peace amongst the nations long before the war; = failed.
I've never really bothered to care about Dresden's views or lulz that he posts, because its all just drivel and somewhat entertaining.
Entertainment is needed here, well played sir.
His views hold zero weight in my world. I could care less what he thinks or believes, just as he can care less about mine I'm sure.
Agreed. No rike Jews >:-/
I respect him in business, and I know he certainly respects me in business too.
Agreed.
But there is one major difference that exists that I'd like to point out and hit home with everyone here....
Dresden is a traitor. That's a fact.
The US declared war on Hitler and his Nazis. They are a sworn enemy. We made peace with Germany after they surrendered to us unconditionally. But the Nazi party itself has not. They never gave up. Even after the war was officially declared to be over, they still fought on, like the idiots they are. (Idiots = Determined individuals) That's why Americans whom associate themselves with the Nazis, are considered both enemies of the state and traitors, alike (Am I a traitor of this nation to define me as a traitor? I'd say no seeing we have the ability to study any religion or political belief we desire. Am I an outcast for my political beliefs, maybe even an extremist? I agree. National Socialism is a live and well in my heart, I'm german by blood but irregardless - all aryan tribes (russians, etc even) are allowed to follow this doctrine). This does not make us traitors, falling against my beliefs as a national socialist however, would make me a traitor. If given the chance to rise up again and pick a side, they would, without a shred of doubt choose the Nazi side (in a second), believing they are going to get what they have believed all this time (even if failure was imminent, nurmut! Fight to the death). However, if that day ever comes again, they will be treated as second class citizens under a Nazi regime (maybe, unless of course we could trace our roots back to the country (which I could to Bremen), similar to how the Schutzstaffel had to do so prior to joining. I think the second class citizens would be defined as lower class aryan breeds; example: those from spain, italy or those classified as Mediterranean as outlined when they researched the three classifications of race defined as aryan in the 1930s.). Because they are not Germans, nor are they 100% Aryans as they believe (When Hitler was taken to court and sentenced where he wrote Mein Kampf - he was asked if he was German seeing he was born an Austrian. This said, his response was "Are you talking about a peice of paper, or the blood that flows through my veins?". This said, I think you're referring to me being an American by paper, but again - German by blood"); . But I won't get into that shit now because its actually in my best interest to not convince them otherwise, and have them run straight into a wall and die if that wall were to come back again.
The Nazis are also responsible for industrializing genocide and being.. okay with it, believing to their core that they are doing the right thing. (Mass murder by not just people, but by regiments and armies have been done long before wwii. Maybe in modern television history you may be right but irregardless if this is your argument, they may have just industrialized it by a few months. Other forms of mass murder outside of "evil nazi germany"? (lektion eins) August 6-9 1945; the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagaski; ONE HALF A FUCKING MILLION PEOPLE WERE SET ABLAZE BY THE AMERICAN ARMY. No, the United States didn't send in special forces to snipe out 1, 20, 100 military leaders (similar to Germanys; Nacht der langen Messer - night of the long knves). The United States straight up went over 2 cities and dropped fucking atomic bombs on innocent cavilians. How the fuck does this make the United States better? (lektion zwei) February 13-15, 1945 the beloved United States dropped an assload of bombs on the innocent yet again, civilian city of Dresden (my daughter named in remembrance of this atrocity). Again, half a million dead. Should I go into the atrocities committed by 'mother russia' and opposing countries? The germans did nothing wrong.
Yes, I am Jewish. Yes, the Nazis killed off my grandparents' families and friends. Yes, two of my grandparents, along with a few uncles, aunts and cousins survived the atrocities that the Nazis carried out on their lives as children. Yes, I absolutely despise Nazis, and all that they have done and stand for. (Yeah it sucks that this happened to you.. Regardless of what race, religion, etc someone may be losing family does indeed suck. I lost only one family member during wwii in germany - but this was in an act of war, having that person die when innocent would piss me off I suppose. Like for example; they were sleeping in bed at night in dresden and got raided on, I'd have a vendetta.)
More people should hate the Nazis for what they really are (What are they? Leaders in technology at the time? A nation that struck down the treaty of versailles and gave the country back to its own people? This has nothing to do with racism, because when the AMericans were fighting these evil nazis they were coming home to blacks having separate bathrooms, not being allowed on the sidewalk, cant vote, was illegal to intermary, etc. etc. etc). Perhaps many of you are unaware of the Nazis and their appetite for murdering children (This my friends, don't get pissy Jon - is a Jew trying to push Jewish propaganda amongst the masses to try and pursued the crowd. This happens all over television everyday, detour attention to try and create a reason to hate. But this propaganda put aside; (1) Did the Russian enter Berlin and rape women and yes, children when entering the beloved country? Yes. I wonder how many lil babies were killed in the wonderful evenings of both Nagasaki, Hiroshima and Dresden (lets say combined)??? Yeah, nuff said because I bet you it was a shit load... . Not just through the gas chambers (the gas chambers were actually built for the SS/Nazis to kill more people, quicker, cheaper, and on a high capacity/volume basis) I mostly agree with this. The germans were getting blood, spit and ass all over them when running them into the trenches and shooting them all. Anyone who is human would feel bad, even if it was a hated enemy. This said, they created the chambers to be more cost efficient, quicker, cheaper, and on a high volume basis. MY PERSONAL OPINION ON MASS GENOCIDE; would be to first give the people an option to flea (in which case I'm sure 99% would), then force them out 'by any means necessary'. I personally think Heinrich Himmler (and Karl and llse koch) were lunitics that gave us a bad name. I despise Himmler for the anti-christian type beliefs he had, and he was more into the genocide (not eichmann) part of things . . Perhaps you should take some time out and look into how the Nazis treated all women and children from both Russia and Poland (addressed this above, same can be said with opposing countries). What they actually did to them, with gravity, knives, bullets and fire alone is unlike anything you will ever see (Jewish propaganda, read above to see conflicting statements from opposing countries).
To me, the Nazis represent a good idea to some, through absolute shock and awe tactics, coupled with 100% brutality and cruelty as a standard practice.
agreed