A better question: Are you still pro-life if it's yours and you will have to pay to support it until it's 18?
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Abortion is not a black and white issue. There's plenty of gray area.
In my opinion, abortion is tragic in all circumstances, and adoption should always be considered. On that note, though, I'm not going to tell a 17 year old girl who just got raped by a coke fiend that she has to carry her baby to term.
The other side of the coin, of course, is the drunk sorority slut who just keeps forgetting to use protection and sleeps with a new guy every weekend. She shouldn't abort an otherwise healthy child just because she's lazy and stupid. Put it up for adoption.
In any case, I'll repeat what I said in the other thread: If you're going to abort, do it in the first trimester. Third trimester abortions are barbaric, at least when the life of the mother isn't in danger.
In my opinion, abortion is tragic in all circumstances, and adoption should always be considered. On that note, though, I'm not going to tell a 17 year old girl who just got raped by a coke fiend that she has to carry her baby to term.
The other side of the coin, of course, is the drunk sorority slut who just keeps forgetting to use protection and sleeps with a new guy every weekend. She shouldn't abort an otherwise healthy child just because she's lazy and stupid. Put it up for adoption.
In any case, I'll repeat what I said in the other thread: If you're going to abort, do it in the first trimester. Third trimester abortions are barbaric, at least when the life of the mother isn't in danger.
you are LOSE for even posting this. You do know its not a dude, right? Its a chick who likes going to Home Depot that can grow facial hair. I never saw what the big deal is.
I understand what you are saying, but I think that your example is not very good. If anything she needs the abortion the most because it is quite clear that she will be an incompetent mother, so why choose to make a child suffer.
On a side note I find the use of the word "slut" fascinating because, I know plenty of guys who go out every weekend and sleep with new women, why are they regarded as lucky?
I think this whole statement is absurd.
Let me do devils advocate, my favorite.
I never understood the prolifers using this argument. If you think life starts at conception then what does it matter how it got there? Also, Why is the life of the child (I only call it a child because again the prolifers think of it as a child at conception) ok to terminate in some cases and not in others? (medical risk aside, or maybe not) You can't have your cake and it it too.[/quote]
As someone else pointed out...there is a ridiculous double standard here but hey maybe this is her birth control of choice Isn't that what the anti abortionist are scared of? I mean that's the easiest thing right? for a woman to have an invasive and painful procedure potentially every month...it's easy 123 Birth control!
Again you can't have your cake and eat it too. Like it or not, the fetus is attached to a host and whether the host chooses to carry it to term is a decision between the host and her medical provider. Third term abortions are very rare and usually just used as a scare tactic by the religious right. However if I had to choose I would choose the ability to keep that option on the table rather then have the government being the only one making invasive decisions about our bodies.
In any case, I'll repeat what I said in the other thread: If you're going to abort, do it in the first trimester. Third trimester abortions are barbaric, at least when the life of the mother isn't in danger.[/quote] Again you can't have your cake and eat it too. Like it or not, the fetus is attached to a host and whether the host chooses to carry it to term is a decision between the host and her medical provider. Third term abortions are very rare and usually just used as a scare tactic by the religious right. However if I had to choose I would choose the ability to keep that option on the table rather then have the government making invasive decsions about our bodies.[/quote]
Yea that really hits the mark on what I am talking about, just something that I would like to add to the religion argument. I hate how religious fanatics take the whole thing out of context I mean the Bible was written thousands of years ago before abortion was even a dream.
Its not actually a baby, it is a fetus in a womb. For the matter of fact at that point in time there is no distinction of of gender and the fetus has no feelings.
The life of the mother is more important. In the case of rape, the decision to have sex wasn't her choice, so she should not be responsible for the outcome. I'm not saying that abortion is the right choice, just that it's understandable.
Yay woohoo sarcasm. When a girl chooses to have sex, she accepts the chance that she might get pregnant. Contraceptives significantly decrease this chance, and should be used. If she chooses not to protect herself (which is stupid when a condom costs about $0.25), she shouldn't take her stupidity out on her unborn child.
I've discovered, through experience, that it's pointless to argue with a pro-choicer who refers to the fetus/mother relationship as a parasite/host relationship. Sure, it's technically accurate, but it shows that the argue-er has dehumanized the fetus, and thus is firmly entrenched in their beliefs and cannot be swayed. Think what you want.
You're painting the stages of human development with a rather broad stroke. At what point in development are you talking about? One month? Eight months? An eight month old fetus can survive outside of the womb.
There are plenty of other things to take into account as well, such as brain activity. When the brain becomes active, isn't the fetus technically alive? When does it become conscious?
You can't just say 'fetus' and 'baby' as the only two stages.
"dehumanized" is incorrect because that would be inferring that the fetus was once a human and now is no more.
There are really no human like qualities in a fetus anyways so I don't see how I can regard it as being human.
It's only a baby after the brain is fully developed. Before that, it's just a part of the womans body. Like an arm.
I think I need to clarify a bit of what I meant to say, I was mostly focusing on the first couple of months because that is the time when most abortions take place.
It's not a baby.
No it doesn't.
Or not as the case may be.
It doesnt matter if youre for or against it, there should ALWAYS be the choice of getting one or not.
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