It's not even worth it, dude. Some people are just strange like that. Who gives a fuck if they know the truth, or even understand it?
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It's not even worth it, dude. Some people are just strange like that. Who gives a fuck if they know the truth, or even understand it?
Yoooo....
I think it's hard in the rape scenario... But it is Life no matter how you look at it.... It's funny Scientists say that water on Mars is Life ,but a Baby or embryo is not... What the Fu**! People Who think they are Genius Make Justifications For what They Do....! Mother Fu**ers!
I think it's hard in the rape scenario... But it is Life no matter how you look at it.... It's funny Scientists say that water on Mars is Life ,but a Baby or embryo is not... What the Fu**! People Who think they are Genius Make Justifications For what They Do....! Mother Fu**ers!
HarveyJ
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I think you'll find that astronomers and planetary scientists will say that evidence of water on Mars shows that it capable of supporting life, and that there is proof of life in the frozen water on Mars.
I don't think I've ever heard anything come out of a scientific journal (and I've subscribed to three) that says water is life.
Furthermore, the argument isn't about whether or not the tissue is alive. It's very firmly much alive. In the same way as an amoeba or a cow is alive.
I've often found the pro-lifers are actually amazingly ignorant of pre and post natal development and physiology, specifically neurogenesis.
The core of the argument is over whether it's a sentient organism prior to its birth, and generally, prior to the 24 week point that most medical people believe to be the point at which the lungs have developed enough for conversion of breathable air to waste gas (completely irregardless of how much of the brain and nervous system has formed).
Now, whilst measurable activity in the brainstem has been observed to happen as early as 54 days in some rare cases, this is notto beconfused with a developed brain.
The areas of the brain that control personality traits and intellectual function, predominantly the frontal lobes, is generally the last thing to develop, and isn't even fully developed at birth (allowing the skull to be squishy enough for the baby's head to squeezed out). Fuck, the Thalamic section of the brain doesn't even form until about week30, which means that there's actually no way that any sensory input can actually be used by whatever parts of the brain DO exist at that point.
IMO, a new born infant still has now personality and limited intellectual capacity that's actually below that of most animals... so if I don't know them, in the same way that I don't know the cow that was in my breakfast sandwich, what's the difference?
I don't think I've ever heard anything come out of a scientific journal (and I've subscribed to three) that says water is life.
Furthermore, the argument isn't about whether or not the tissue is alive. It's very firmly much alive. In the same way as an amoeba or a cow is alive.
I've often found the pro-lifers are actually amazingly ignorant of pre and post natal development and physiology, specifically neurogenesis.
The core of the argument is over whether it's a sentient organism prior to its birth, and generally, prior to the 24 week point that most medical people believe to be the point at which the lungs have developed enough for conversion of breathable air to waste gas (completely irregardless of how much of the brain and nervous system has formed).
Now, whilst measurable activity in the brainstem has been observed to happen as early as 54 days in some rare cases, this is notto beconfused with a developed brain.
The areas of the brain that control personality traits and intellectual function, predominantly the frontal lobes, is generally the last thing to develop, and isn't even fully developed at birth (allowing the skull to be squishy enough for the baby's head to squeezed out). Fuck, the Thalamic section of the brain doesn't even form until about week30, which means that there's actually no way that any sensory input can actually be used by whatever parts of the brain DO exist at that point.
IMO, a new born infant still has now personality and limited intellectual capacity that's actually below that of most animals... so if I don't know them, in the same way that I don't know the cow that was in my breakfast sandwich, what's the difference?
Lol at this shit. Sources please (who is this mysterious 'they'?). Water has been found on Mars, life hasn't (yet). Water being found simply means that it is possible that Mars could support life.
I seriously can't believe the amount of totally ignorant rubbish being spouted in this thread. Most of this stuff is really really basic.
Oh yeah, and what Harvey said.
Agreed. Anyone who eats/kills almost any sentient animal and calls themselves pro life is a fucking hypocrite.
Where did you get that proof of life statement though?
Evidence of water, sure, but there definitely isn't any proof of life on Mars
I'm laughing at the mental gyrations you have to perform in order to rationalize abortion. You utter fool.
Oh yeah, 'they' have said you're a moron.
IT'S NOT A BABY, IT'S A FETUS!!! SO IT'S OK TO KILL A FETUS, YOU SEE??
7 WEEKS, BITCH.
THAT'S NOT A HAND, THAT'S AN ORGANISM....HAHAHAHA
Take a basic biology class idiot. A hand IS and organism, at least part of one.
Also, people here are arguing their point with actual thoughts and all you can do is post useless pictures. It might be a good idea to just stick to protesting outside of abortion clinics.
The interwebs is obviously too much for you to handle.
Those 'useless pictures' disturbing your carefully crafted paradigm?
Don't worry, they're just organisms. Nothing to feel guilty about.
HarveyJ
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Hellblazer: What mental gyrations? I've posted information about prenatal development and neurogenesis that basically supports my way of thinking that a fetus isn't an individual. It's a glob of tissues up until a certain point. Therefore, it's no more murderous than killing any other animal, and we kill lots of other animals.
Furthermore, those pictures you posted are utter rubbish.
The first isn't a fetus or a baby or whatever. It's a plastic toy. You can clearl see the parts where the plastic of the hand is connected to the other arm.
The second is so clearly photoshopped as to be entirely worthless. The only people it could convince are the sort of people that reckon photos of white blobs on black backgrounds are evidence of UFOs.
In any case, a hand does not a human make. Especially as there are plenty of other animals that have the use of hands. Pet mice I had once could do all kinds of things with their hands, like holding pellets, while they stood up on hind legs to eat... So I guess that makes them people too!
A functioning mind is what makes the difference between a lump of living tissue, and a person... And scientifically speaking, a functioning mind isn't even possible until at least week 30 of gestation, and even that's under a fair deal of debate, considering what's known about the growth of the frontal lobes and the neocortex in general.
You have still yet to say what makes people so special, other than our ability to destroy things and otherwise blow shit up more efficiently.
But before you do, try reading some actually scientific literature...
Furthermore, those pictures you posted are utter rubbish.
The first isn't a fetus or a baby or whatever. It's a plastic toy. You can clearl see the parts where the plastic of the hand is connected to the other arm.
The second is so clearly photoshopped as to be entirely worthless. The only people it could convince are the sort of people that reckon photos of white blobs on black backgrounds are evidence of UFOs.
In any case, a hand does not a human make. Especially as there are plenty of other animals that have the use of hands. Pet mice I had once could do all kinds of things with their hands, like holding pellets, while they stood up on hind legs to eat... So I guess that makes them people too!
A functioning mind is what makes the difference between a lump of living tissue, and a person... And scientifically speaking, a functioning mind isn't even possible until at least week 30 of gestation, and even that's under a fair deal of debate, considering what's known about the growth of the frontal lobes and the neocortex in general.
You have still yet to say what makes people so special, other than our ability to destroy things and otherwise blow shit up more efficiently.
But before you do, try reading some actually scientific literature...
Margaret Sanger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia opened the first planned parenthood clinic. She was a major supporter of Eugenics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia particularly in the poor and uneducated areas. Abortion is a form of eugenics, at least thats were its origins are. The thinking process of some, leads me to believe. Eventually you will totally support this.
just brain dead cows anyways.
just brain dead cows anyways.
Like I said, you've bought into the propaganda. You believe the lie that fetuses somehow become 'individuals' only after birth. Only a moron could actually believe shit like that. As if the mere ejection from the womb magically bestows 'individualness' upon it, complete with the right not to get murdered.
I could give a fuck about convincing you.
This drivel only convinces me how much more moronic you are. Locke's inherent rights weren't time-dependent; it's time you realized that.
It's not a lie, that's called science. It's a fact that the area of your brain that develops personality develops far later then your actual body. But then again, the way you talk makes it obvious you've never set foot in a science class.
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